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    Post  mnrck Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:14 pm

    AFU suicidal attack ends in failure

    Elimination of AFU armoured equipment and militants that attempted to attack Russian units' positions in Kherson region.

    ◽ AFU militants attacked Russian Airborne Troops' forces by tanks and armoured personnel carriers to break the defence. The attackers were detected by UAV crews. Kornet and Shturm-S anti-tank missile system from Airborne Troops received the reconnaissance data and opened fire at the enemy armoured vehicles.

    💥 Russian paratroopers have destroyed 4 tanks, 5 armoured personnel carriers and over 20 AFU militants. The enemy attack has been frustrated.

    ◽ AFU militants abandoned the dead and injured personnel during their withdrawal.

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    Post  Serberus Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:22 pm

    Ukronazis hit a residential area in Belgorod including top of a high rise building , so there may be casualties.
    https://t.me/istorijaoruzijaZ/27019

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    Post  Sujoy Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:34 pm

    If true, it means this western alliance against Russia won't last for too long

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    Post  Kiko Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:50 pm

    The terrorist attack on the Crimean bridge forces Russia to take Odessa, by Rafael Fakhrutdinov for VZGLYAD. 10.13.2022.

    The terrorist attack against the Crimean bridge revealed a serious flaw for the security of Russia in the "grain deal". It provides that ships with grain are inspected only in the Turkish straits. The ship with explosives that left Odessa was able to calmly enter the Danube. Breaking the "grain deal" will not solve the problem - after leaving the Serpent Island, Russia lost control over this sector of the Black Sea. What are the options?

    The Federal Security Service has uncovered the organizer and perpetrators of the terrorist attack on the Crimean bridge - the responsibility lies with the head of the military intelligence of Ukraine, Kirill Budanov. The FSB also found out the route of movement of the explosive device that went off on the bridge on October 8.

    Of particular interest is the first stage of this movement. In early August, dangerous goods with a total weight of more than 22 tons, disguised as rolls of construction film, were transported from the seaport of Odessa along the Black Sea and further along the Danube to the Bulgarian river port of Ruse, located inland. “We see a gross violation of the “grain deal”. The fact that a military cargo directed against the Russian Federation left Odessa is an obvious violation of the agreement,” Andrey Klimov, Deputy Head of the Committee on International Affairs of the Federation Council , emphasized.

    Recall that on July 22 in Istanbul, Russia, Turkey and the UN signed a memorandum of cooperation in the supply of Russian and Ukrainian agricultural products to the markets. Ukraine has signed its part of the agreement with Turkey and the UN. The "grain deal" was concluded for a period of 120 days, until November, with the possibility of extension.

    Under the terms of the agreement, a Joint Coordination Center (JCC) with the participation of Russia, Turkey and Ukraine operates in Istanbul to monitor the exit of ships from Ukraine. The main thing to pay attention to is that the SCC is charged with the duty of inspecting ships, which should exclude the transport of military cargo. But the subtlety is that inspection is carried out only at the entrance and exit from the Black Sea. The SCC teams that conduct the inspection work in the harbors in the Turkish Bosporus and Dardanelles straits. But the ship with explosives “turned off” much earlier.

    As noted by the VZGLYAD newspaper, the ship, which left Odessa in Ruse, moved in a coastal course along the seashore, and then entered the Danube, where it proceeded through Romanian territory to the Bulgarian port. Ukraine supports active navigation along the Danube (which, however, suffers from Ukrainian mines, laid at the beginning of the NWO near Odessa and drifting towards the Danube Delta). The main thing is that the ship sailing from Odessa to Ruse was not subject to inspection by Turkish observers as part of the “grain deal”. “Such lifelines that go along the coast, we cannot check. Especially if the ship sailed under the Bulgarian flag. Two neighboring NATO countries, Romania and Bulgaria, use this,” military expert Vasily Dandykin noted.

    According to the Istanbul Accords, “all activities in Ukrainian territorial waters are carried out under the authority and responsibility of Ukraine” (paragraph C of “Initiatives for the safe transportation of grain and food from Ukrainian ports”). This point, which excludes external control, is emphasized by the Ukrainian side. Due to the lack of control, the cargo was delivered to Bulgaria, and from there to Georgia by sea as a transit cargo to Armenia. The cargo was sealed and was not subject to Bulgarian or Georgian customs inspection.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:55 pm

    https://tass.com/defense/1512115

    MOSCOW, August 24. /TASS/. The Russian army has begun to actively use unmanned aerial vehicles from ZALA Aero (an affiliate of the Kalashnikov concern), the concern’s president, Alan Lushnikov, told TASS. "Any ZALA UAVs are new for the Russian Defense Ministry. As follows from the publications, the army has begun to actively use them," he said. Earlier, the state corporation Rostec said that Russia’s kamikaze drones KUB and Lancet are widely used in combat operations in Ukraine, and have "successfully demonstrated their properties in combat conditions." The drones are mainly used to hit distant ground targets.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:06 pm

    Backman wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    billybatts91 wrote: can go screw yourself.

    Meduza is based in Latvia or some such. Might be mixing them up with somebody else.
    Either way you're quoting NATO propaganda

    As for the war being smooth sailing, it's a proxy war with NATO. And impossible to tell how close they are to defeat or how many casualties the Ukrainians and NATO mercs have suffered. That information is a lot harder to estimate than any Russian casualties.

    90k Russian dead or irrecoverably wounded is a NATO wet dream but nothing more

    Especially when the main reason for Russia's propaganda losses was to save men's lives. Plus they are making trades to get men back. Russia is valuing lives over everything. Basically to the same level that Israel does.

    I'd say 50,000 is still an insult to the boards intelligence. 90,000 is almost double that.

    I'd honestly say 50K would be a highe end estimate for total casualties (all wounded [those patched up and sent back into battle the same day and those who were permanently disabled], pows, and dead. Considering, however, there were only 70-100 thousand in theater, that seems like a bit much. I'd put it at maybe 20 to 25 k total with maybe 6 to 8 thousand dead.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:16 pm

    Erk wrote:
    Backman wrote:From the telegrams

    In Zelensky’s office, they announced explosions at “critical infrastructure” facilities in the Kiev region, an air raid was announced.
    Can't be Russia, they ran out of missiles in March, according to the West.

    Yeah, its a strange war, Ukes hitting all their own cities and infrastructure and Russians shelling their own power plants, shelling pro Russian refugees, blowing up their own bridge, and forcing people who had been shelled for 8 years by Ukraine to vote to join Russia.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:45 pm

    If true perhaps earlier than expected.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:48 pm

    RuAF clearly hiding from Ukie SAMs Laughing Laughing

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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:58 pm

    JohninMK wrote:RuAF clearly hiding from Ukie SAMs Laughing Laughing


    Leggo my eggo, the wunderwaffles were supposed to be game changers, but mighty cheeky of those Russian pilots to be be strapping washing machines and bathtubs to those I-153s. Is it true they are strapping kitchen sinks to their TB-3s?

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:15 pm

    TASS

    One Su-27 from Ukroshistan AF was shot down near Porskalevka, Dnepropetrovsk region and one UAF MiG-29 was shot down near Chervony Zaporozhets, Poltava region

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    Post  ludovicense Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:44 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:TASS

    One Su-27 from Ukroshistan AF was shot down near Porskalevka, Dnepropetrovsk region and one UAF MiG-29 was shot down near Chervony Zaporozhets, Poltava region

    This old UAF mig and sukhois is sprouting from the ground... it can only be... I'm very curious to know how many are still available, given the huge loss.
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    Post  Isos Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:19 pm

    New lancet. Seems like HEAT warhead was used. They can easily hunt tanks with them now.

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    Post  Isos Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:23 pm

    20-30 attacks per day is huge. With 2400 drones thry can keep doing that for 100 more days or 3-4 mobths. Vad news for ukraine even if they manage to shot down some of them.


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    Post  Erk Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:26 pm

    Isos wrote:New lancet. Seems like HEAT warhead was used. They can easily hunt tanks with them now.

    I am not certain, but I think the Lancet 3 is only a 3kg explosive.

    A Hellfire is 8kg HEAT and it can't penetrate active armor.
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    Post  Isos Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:27 pm

    With a drone you can aim where there is no much armour like the top of the back or hit the engine.

    It's not supposed to blow it up but at least make it unusable.

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    Post  Mir Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:32 pm

    JohninMK wrote:https://tass.com/defense/1512115

    MOSCOW, August 24. /TASS/. The Russian army has begun to actively use unmanned aerial vehicles from ZALA Aero (an affiliate of the Kalashnikov concern), the concern’s president, Alan Lushnikov, told TASS. "Any ZALA UAVs are new for the Russian Defense Ministry. As follows from the publications, the army has begun to actively use them," he said. Earlier, the state corporation Rostec said that Russia’s kamikaze drones KUB and Lancet are widely used in combat operations in Ukraine, and have "successfully demonstrated their properties in combat conditions." The drones are mainly used to hit distant ground targets.

    Might be a translation issue but I think Zala UAV's have been in service with the Russians for a number of years already?

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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:42 pm

    Systems like Iskander aren't meant to be countered by radars like author and which 207? the gun alone doesn't dictate range

    Iskander is designed to take out enemy radar and EW equipment as well as many other targets too.

    So we should just live in fantasy land and pretend like Russia hasn't suffered losses?

    90 thousand dead... why not a million?

    You apparently are living in a fantasy land.

    Russia has performed pretty mediocre so far,

    They invaded a neighbouring country with a very small but highly mobile and well armed force that very quickly occupied a significant amount of enemy territory for rather light losses compared to those they inflicted on the enemy.

    Of course there have been losses and even just 100 men dead is too many, but they were given no choice... this is a war of survival... the west wants them all dead, so they have no choice but to fight and they seem to be doing a very good job.

    Recently the Orcs massed up a large force and managed to push the Russians back in a few places... they also failed to dislodge them from a few other places too which suggests the Russians were interested in holding a couple of places and not interested in saving other areas from which they withdrew after a fight.

    They no only appear to have withdrawn in good order with few losses but also seem to have retaken a lot of the areas the Orcs recently advanced into and that is before more troops arrived on the front line to help them.

    But you believe orc propaganda and think they are not doing well... I guess that is why Zelensky is using green screens and begging for more weapons and equipment and money...

    I was muzzled for saying the Russian leadership should be fired

    The Russian leadership wasn't fired and nor was Putin... and the Orc advances fizzled out and in some places have been pushed back before the new moblised forces reached the front... so you were wrong on several levels.

    And then, they fired Gerasimov and Shoigu

    And put Surovikhin and Mizintsev as I suggested

    Nobody was fired, positions moved and changed for a new phase of the conflict most likely to coincide with the coming winter and any potential Russian offensive...

    I'm surprised the US hasn't donated lots of C-RAM systems to Ukraine. It might be the 1 system that could be effective against them when defending a point target.

    Would use a lot of ammo very quickly and the Orcs don't use 20mm cannons for anything else... plus I would say it would be vulnerable to ARMs...

    And it might not be as effective as they claim in real combat... which will effect sales badly.

    But to what extent HoJ on SAM can counter an ECM pod is questionable.

    A missile that loses lock because it is being jammed then locks onto the jammer... what happens when it is an intermittent jammer and the jammer turns off and it loses its lock... start scanning again to reacquire a target?

    What if the ECM pod is bouncing the jamming signal off the ground?

    Is that a Russian or Ukrainian drone being attacked?

    That looks like that huge drone pictured on the ground earlier in this thread... looks like it was rammed by a helicopter?

    So that would make it an Orc drone and a Russian helicopter.

    With a drone you can aim where there is no much armour like the top of the back or hit the engine.

    It's not supposed to blow it up but at least make it unusable.

    Plus for every tank on the battlefield there are hundreds of other softer types that can be damaged or destroyed like civilian vehicles with HMGs on the back etc and also troop transports etc etc.

    The RPG-7 has a warhead of 3kgs or less... for a HEAT charge things like diameter of the charge and lining are often as important as HE weight.

    Attacking from above also improves the performance.

    I am rather surprised by the shallow angles of attack though... I would think a steep dive from above would be more effective especially against tanks.

    In their current situation I would say attacking the engine decks would put them out of service and make them sitting ducks and make their support lines struggle with trying to support their forces near the front, all with similar damage.

    Of course T series tanks with a hit through the top of the turret straight down into the tank will hit the autoloaders...

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:47 pm

    Heavy air strikes for 4th day in a row now, plus reports of ground offensives in the northeast.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:11 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Heavy air strikes for 4th day in a row now, plus reports of ground offensives in the northeast.


    Or as reported by the Pentagram, Russia is moving another day closer to a critical shortage of missiles and Ukraine is executing a successful advance towards the Dniepr (most Americans couldn't find Ukraine on a map let alone find the Dniepr and so they would not be questioned over that statement).

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    Post  Arrow Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:14 pm

    Calibration
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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:20 pm

    ludovicense wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:TASS

    One Su-27 from Ukroshistan AF was shot down near Porskalevka, Dnepropetrovsk region and one UAF MiG-29 was shot down near Chervony Zaporozhets, Poltava region

    This old UAF mig and sukhois is sprouting from the ground... it can only be... I'm very curious to know how many are still available, given the huge loss.


    It is my opinion that among those downed MiG-29s there are very many Polish and Slovak MiG-29s. I am convinced that it will be known only after the end of the conflict how many MiG-29s Poland lost, while it is already known about Slovakia. Romanian MiG-29s are a graveyard, the Hungarians don't give theirs, while nothing is known about Bulgaria, although I am convinced that the Bulgarians gave their Su-25s. I am of the opinion that the Poles will also give their Su-22M.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:21 pm

    Some are saying that Ukraine actually confirmed that a dirt cheap "Dorito" drone took down a UkAF MiG-29 in flight. Sounds absolutely ludicrous. I mean, the speed difference for one thing, let alone the precision and luck needed to manually hit something fast in the air (MCLOS air-to-air missiles where tested 40's and 50's but really didn't work except against huge, slow bombers).

    Or was it an "accident" so to speak? MiG flew into the drone, rather?


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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:34 pm

    * 13:47 CET 🇺🇦 The wreckage of one of the Ukrainian planes that crashed in the Poltava region.
    Judging by the location of the tail number relative to the coat of arms on the keel, we can conclude that the Su-24 bomber of the Ukrainian Air Force crashed.

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    * 13:49 🇷🇺🇺🇦 To clarify, the command of Ukraine had a dilemma, either the critical infrastructure get's destroyed by Geran kamikaze drone, or it is necessary to somehow try to shoot them down, risking raising their jets into the air to the delight of the MiG-31 of the Russian Aerospace Forces.
    Outcome: Minus three Ukrainian aircrafts in 2 days

    * 13:52 🇷🇺🇺🇦❗Ministry of Defense: Russian air defense systems in the Poltava region shot down the Su-27 of the Ukrainian Air Force

    * 13:55 🇷🇺🇺🇦 The Russian Ministry of Defense reports on the MiG-29, which was shot down in the Dnepropetrovsk region. Apparently, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were caught on a burning desire to prevent the flowering of "Geran" at their power facilities. In 3 days - 2 aircraft were lost in the Poltava region (the Armed Forces of Ukraine declare that they "crashed", the RF Ministry of Defense reported 1 Su-27 shot down), 1 MiG-29 "crashed" during attempts to repel the Geran-2 UAV raid, and now another 1 MiG-29 was shot down in the Dnepropetrovsk region. Taking into account the cost of "Geran" and the cost of combat aircraft, over the past few days, the RF Ministry of Defense has fully paid back the costs of the entire batch. It is quite clear that even if the Ukrainian Air Force was able to shoot down a couple of Geraniums (which is far from a fact), then this, of course, cannot compensate for the loss of some of the remaining combat aircraft. There was a kind of live bait fishing.

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