Russian special military operation in Ukraine #31

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The Russian UAV "Lancet" is catching up with the Ukrainian air defense system "Buk". In this case, minus the PU radar.

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Sprinter Monitor
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The Russian UAV "Lancet" is catching up with the Ukrainian air defense system "Buk". In this case, minus the PU radar.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1589544775858151424

I think the Lancet needs a bit more explosive power to take out an entire vehicle and blow it to pieces.

PhSt wrote:

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Sprinter Monitor
@SprinterMonitor
The Russian UAV "Lancet" is catching up with the Ukrainian air defense system "Buk". In this case, minus the PU radar.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1589544775858151424

I think the Lancet needs a bit more explosive power to take out an entire vehicle and blow it to pieces.

The damage will be sufficient to have taken it out of the game for the coming months, if not forever without manufacturer.

In any case, you are now using the drones properly and chase such high -quality Targets.

https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2022/11/yet-another-fud-bs.html

Yet Another FUD BS Destroyed By Alexander Rogers.

Подведём промежуточные итоги. 

- В Павловке триста убитых, 75% бригады убитые и раненые!
- Пруфы будут?
- Ну может 30 убитых. Ладно, уговорил, 20. Поверишь?

(с)Сладков, Ходаковский, Долгарева, Шарий, Каспаров.

P.S. Так и вижу, как бойцы под обстрелом пишут письмо турецкому султану (зачёркнуто) в Спортлото (зачёркнуто) губернатору Камчатки (щитоблеать?!)

P.P.S. Слышь, купи тюменские наушники и финку НКВД! По персональному промокоду скидка!

PhSt wrote:

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Sprinter Monitor
@SprinterMonitor
The Russian UAV "Lancet" is catching up with the Ukrainian air defense system "Buk". In this case, minus the PU radar.

I think the Lancet needs a bit more explosive power to take out an entire vehicle and blow it to pieces.

That's not what it is supposed to do.

Dammaging is enough and such systems can't be repaired. There is a big chance the vehicle burnt just after that.

I heard the buk TELAR is quite well protected and even if its missiles explode on the top it won't damage the vehicule.

Here they attacked the side which allow penetration and destruction of the computers inside. This vehicle won't be useful anymore, could just use it as a dummy target.

Russian Defense Ministry: 155th Marine Brigade of the Pacific Fleet is effectively advancing in the Ugledar direction

It is noted that due to the competent actions of the unit commanders, the losses of the marines for these 10 days do not exceed one percent of the combat strength, as well as seven percent of the wounded.

The Ministry of Defense refuted the statements of some domestic bloggers, which were allegedly made on behalf of the soldiers of the 155th Marine Brigade of the Pacific Fleet about "high useless losses in people and equipment." The text of the statement of the Russian defense department leads RIA Novosti.

“The units of the 155th Marine Brigade of the Pacific Fleet have been conducting effective offensive operations in the Ugledar direction for more than 10 days. Advancement in the brigade's zone of responsibility is up to 5 kilometers in depth of defensive positions.

It is noted that due to the competent actions of the unit commanders, the losses of the marines for these 10 days do not exceed one percent of the combat strength, as well as seven percent of the wounded. At the same time, a significant part of the latter has already returned to service.

https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/2022117142-oUNB1.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui

Throwing in Ukrainian special services or reality: in Pavlovka they reported heavy losses of the Russian Armed Forces

The governor of Primorsky Krai, Oleg Kozhemyako, instructed to check reports on the situation in Pavlovka, which indicate heavy losses among Russian troops. At the same time, the official admits that this information may be stuffed by the Ukrainian special services. The Russian Defense Ministry denied statements about significant losses of the 155th Marine Brigade of the Pacific Fleet. What is known about the situation in Pavlovka is in the material of Gazeta.Ru.

FULL ARTICLE: https://www-gazeta-ru.translate.goog/army/2022/11/07/15742633.shtml?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

franco wrote:
Russian Defense Ministry: 155th Marine Brigade of the Pacific Fleet is effectively advancing in the Ugledar direction

It is noted that due to the competent actions of the unit commanders, the losses of the marines for these 10 days do not exceed one percent of the combat strength, as well as seven percent of the wounded.

The Ministry of Defense refuted the statements of some domestic bloggers, which were allegedly made on behalf of the soldiers of the 155th Marine Brigade of the Pacific Fleet about "high useless losses in people and equipment." The text of the statement of the Russian defense department leads RIA Novosti.

   “The units of the 155th Marine Brigade of the Pacific Fleet have been conducting effective offensive operations in the Ugledar direction for more than 10 days. Advancement in the brigade's zone of responsibility is up to 5 kilometers in depth of defensive positions.

It is noted that due to the competent actions of the unit commanders, the losses of the marines for these 10 days do not exceed one percent of the combat strength, as well as seven percent of the wounded. At the same time, a significant part of the latter has already returned to service.

https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/2022117142-oUNB1.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui

That's better

The doomers, bloggers, Ukros and others have long been exploiting the fact that the MoD never reports on delays, retreats, enemy strikes or anything else that doesn't look like a methodical and ongoing advance or a destruction of enemy supplies/manpower.

At least now the MoD is elaborating on the situation with the marines in Ugledar and offering its own version of events

What this results in is further investigation and dispute as to which version is correct, with more data being provided. If it turns out that the doomers have been bullshitting here; as I suspect they were with their previous story about drunk commissars threatening to execute the lone survivor of some Russian unit which was abandoned by its own officers - then they will be exposed and dismissed as simply the latest con-artists and talking heads in a string of many previous ones throughout this whole war.

Well that's if these bloggers are not acting under orders themselves, to muddy the representation of the front in the Donbass, in Kherson, etc... because that's another possible explanation

Last ditch attempt by the US Democrats, to fool their citizens that they are not responsible for the war in Ukraine before the mid-term elections on Tuesday.

And if you go beyond the headline you find they don't want peace, they want Kiev to look more interested in peace so they can keep the suckers sending money and weapons in the west to keep sending stuff... this is all about milking Europe and the west of weapons and money at a time when most western economies should be spending on more practical and useful things.

Main points:
1. Assaulting in a field of mud

But Russia is weak if it just sits and waits for winter... aren't they supposed to be attacking the Orcs right now in some massive counter attack with all these mobilised forces?

Why were the armchair experts here so wrong?

I have 1 question: Why does the 2nd-3rd army in world struggle to take more than a few hundred meters of evacuated villages in a few months? I dont care if this is a psyop, the facts on the ground regarding territorial progress speak for themselves.

Because they listen to stupid cunts like you who just want results now because somehow being the second best army in the world will protect them from casualties and guarantee them magic victories.

You get to call yourself one of the better armies in the world when you use your fucking brains and don't attack the enemy where they are strong in conditions not favourable to attack and to attack in places of your choosing where you have all the advantages and no problems holding you back at times of your choosing.

You obviously need to go to the front lines and find out for yourself. I have military training, experience and have been studying warfare for 50 years and I don't have any brilliant suggestions.

Now we have the internet and we find that war is really easy... you wait till something happens and then depending on the result you either blame them for not doing it sooner, or blame them for getting it so wrong and the leadership and president need to be fired and replaced.

is a big risk, which is why I am suggesting that Russia designs a somewhat oversized Geran that will carry FOABs to enemy positions without risking bombers.

The FOABs weighs at least 10 tons and would require a Geran the size of an An-72 transport plane to carry it, which would be horribly more vulnerable than any in service bomber they have...

A 100k dead after, they are talking about making the public opinion more friendly by pretending the openness to negotiations Laughing
Whan might have caused that, what do you think?

They don't give a shit about 100K toilet cleaners killed, the openness to negotiations are all about making the countries donating money and weapons and ammo think this is not going to go on for years...

The position was established to ensure Kherson cannot fall basically, if you wanna take Kherson then you need to clear that bank of the river otherwise, your forces will simply get pounded to death.

A competent commander knows, to put yourself into a position where you cannot lose, etc whoever is in command made a perfect tactical decision and won the battle before it started

Except when the enemy mobilise 300K and can completely encircle the territory you hold and then wait you out then it is not so perfect.

Even sending troops towards Kiev and Odessa would lead to these areas being neglected at best, and asset stripped more likely... to defend the Dachas and the rich and powerful in Kiev... or to keep the illusion that the rich and powerful are still in Kiev and not in Poland or the Gold Coast...

This part about generals ordering offensives to stroke egos or win medals is dumb

How would the soldiers on the ground know what is being planned and what part they play in the overall conflict.

But if the losses you mention are true then that's a cause for serious concern

The plan was to go slow to minimise casualties amongst the Russian forces... it makes little sense to turn that around before the ground gets frozen and mobility is limited.

There is no urgency for Russia.... as long as it takes... their economy is not tanking...

Russia should annihilate these fortified zones with MLRS and ballistic missiles. TOS salvos and so on. Assuming they are indeed evacuated
Sending manpower in to go building by building is wasteful and slow.

Or encircle them...

@Alamo... always liked that chocolate maker...

Area where Russia is vastly more advanced is aerospace and Nuclear and subs. But Russia seems to have lost the ability to produce in quantity like it used to in the Soviet days.

Not true... they need to get their designs right before putting things into mass production... once they have decided about which frigate type they want and which Corvettes they want where then production rates will increase... not massively, because there is no need for hundreds of corvettes or frigates, but those corvettes and frigates will be world class... compared with the Americans, their frigate replacement was the LCS which they produced 17 of before they realised they were shit and useless but not actually very cheap and now they are quietly disposing of them and buying decent ships from Italy.... where on the production scale do you put America and China... we don't know how successful Chinas ships are because they are largely untested.

They look good on paper... like the F-35 and Zumwalt and Ford class and LCS, but when tested... not so good.

I have more confidence that China is getting things right but nothing to back me up that this is true.

I know the US is getting it wrong because their MIC is all about making money because they are the last super power so if their weapons don't work it wont matter... no one is near enough to challenge them anyway.

Ship building was another issue altogether- for surface ships they didn't know what they want and kept building something different everytime and different shipyards are all doing their own stuff. If they streamlined it and had a few shipyards build same design vessel, then they would also be able to mass produce it. So once again it was a government issue.

I disagree... designing new ships is not a case of getting weapons and sensors and putting them on a ship so there are no empty spaces left and then build it in as large numbers as you can. New weapons and new sensors and new equipment all needs to be integrated into a system of millions of interacting components and parts and with them being multirole combinations of those uses needs to be tested in different weather and geographical locations at different times of the year... you build the best you can build and then you test it... refine the design and test it again... proper testing might take 2-3 years... once you have what you want then you put it into serial production and move to the next challenge... in the case of Corvettes their small size limits how multipurpose they can be so having a couple of different types with a different focus leads to flexibility so you can make different types for different roles and mix them up in different fleets for different environments, but Frigates and bigger should be multipurpose enough for one type and that is where they are at... big long endurance anti piracy corvette and other corvette types and the first prototype Frigate and its upgrade/improvement... when the latter hits the water and can be tested they can decide which of the two they prefer and either put one or the other or perhaps both into serial production... they have backwater fleets in the Black and Baltic Seas, and the Northern and Pacific fleets which have different conditions and requirements so two different frigates might be useful or the heavy one might just be better or the extra cost might not justify how better it is... but either way mass producing them now just means ending up with lots of potential white elephants like LCS ships the US Navy is stuck with.

I think the Lancet needs a bit more explosive power to take out an entire vehicle and blow it to pieces.

The angle it hit it at should have taken out most of the internal electronics in the turret and possibly entered the hull... it is rather unlikely that vehicle will be launching missiles any time soon, but I would agree a follow up attack to set fire to those missiles would finish it.

I think the Lancet needs a bit more explosive power to take out an entire vehicle and blow it to pieces.

You are ignoring the fact that there are two drones involved in that attack... the lancet is not a long range drone so nearby there are Russian troops that launched that Lancet drone to attack that BUK vehicle based on the view they were clearly getting from above from that other drone. If they think they need to hit that BUK again they have the video feed from that drone orbiting above and can launch another Lancet drone and hit it again... no need to fly low because that BUK wont hit anything in its current condition so a diving attack on those missiles should be quite easy to burn the vehicle out of they want to...

mnztr wrote:

Airbornewolf wrote:According to various sources, an RF tank ambushes an Ukrainian tank that was rushing forwards to push into the attack.
RF Special forces spotted it and alerted the RF armor it was approaching.

Horrific to see some poor bastard run from the wreckage on fire and in agony until he passes out and burns up. The inhumanity of war is limitless.

Some "poor bastard" who would likely have been more that happy to do the same to Russian troops.

Just where do you think that Ukropi tank was rushing to? Going home for a lunch break?

Hole wrote:

https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2022/11/yet-another-fud-bs.html

[size=35]Yet Another FUD BS Destroyed By Alexander Rogers.[/size]

.... from the so called "sources" on the ground. I will reiterate--99% of the TG channels, "Russian" military "reporters"  and LDNR "military analysts" are a scam. Most of them do it for monetization and egos larger than cathedrals. Most of them are at best tactical level observers and some of them have expertise on the level of a squad or platoon (at best). Now, without naming ANY sources the alleged letter of marines of the 155 Brigade of the Pacific Fleet who are fighting around Pavlovka begins to circulate. As always it is about damn generals, we are "almost wiped out" and everything is going down the toilet. Luckily, Alexander Rogers has appropriate response--courtesy of WHAT who pointed this out, and Larch who translated it. 

Подведём промежуточные итоги. 

- В Павловке триста убитых, 75% бригады убитые и раненые!
- Пруфы будут?
- Ну может 30 убитых. Ладно, уговорил, 20. Поверишь?

(с)Сладков, Ходаковский, Долгарева, Шарий, Каспаров.

P.S. Так и вижу, как бойцы под обстрелом пишут письмо турецкому султану (зачёркнуто) в Спортлото (зачёркнуто) губернатору Камчатки (щитоблеать?!)

P.P.S. Слышь, купи тюменские наушники и финку НКВД! По персональному промокоду скидка!

Larch translates: Let's sum up the intermediate results. - In Pavlovka, three hundred were killed, 75% of the brigade were killed and wounded! - Will there be proofs? - Well, maybe 30 killed. Okay, I persuaded you, 20. Would you believe it? (c) Sladkov, Khodakovsky, Dolgareva, Shariy, Kasparov. PS I can see how soldiers under fire write a letter to the Turkish sultan (crossed out) in Sportloto (crossed out) to the governor of Kamchatka (dafuck!) PPS Hey, buy Tyumen headphones and a Finnish NKVD knife! Discount with your personal promo code!

For those who don't know--Sportloto is a famous Soviet Lotto game. Which is a deliberate absurd when anyone in Russia wants to threaten someone without any consequences to a threatened person they say: we will write to Sportloto. Meaning, having the same effect as reporting a murder to the US Department of Agriculture. For any native Russian speaker the phony nature of this "letter" is immediately obvious. As What correctly states:

Treat every telegram channel that is not official as ipso. Every single one! We're smack dab in the middle of an infowar, the only one enemy still hopes to win somehow, and you expect anonymous channels to tell the truth? I understand it's hard to catch nuances in this for a non-native speaker, especially after it was ran through an online translator, but this is emphatically not how Russian officer speaks, especially in a public document. Ask Andrey if you don't trust me on this. Additional pertinent question would be how supposedly professional journalist like aforementioned Sladkov, obviously a native speaker, would let something like that through. Cui bono?

Read my lips (again) and I stand by my words, as I stated, again, openly at Politwera this Thursday--99% of them, from talk shows to TG channels and military "reporters" are human waste who, apart from being militarily ignorant and uneducated, are in it for manipulation and making money and fame, period. Practically all of them, be that Soloviyov, Skabeeva with her hubby, let alone Sladkov, let alone Girkin--practically all of them are into the business of keeping public on emotional high in order to advance their careers and other personal interests. These are people without integrity and consciousness. Many of them need to be prosecuted for spreading IPSO propaganda, intentionally or not.

Khodakovskiy is a soldier risking his life by assaulting fortifications .Martyanov is a boomer on a desk. Im leaning towards trusting the former

They have to. No sane person wants to be thrown into the meat grinder that is created to postpone an inevitable defeat for Western interests. So, what do you do while you mobilize the men and now also women (looking to the left when you clearly say right ... oh boy, that is going to be interesting) you make up some stories in hopes of boosting their morale before they are send off to the frontline.

All videos of russian losses at pavlovka, posted by greyzone, which is the account of russian servicemen.
https://t.me/grey_zone/15706

limb wrote:All videos of russian losses at pavlovka, posted by greyzone, which is the account of russian servicemen.
https://t.me/grey_zone/15706

Seem to remember some commotion 9-10 days ago already, about Struna ATGM launches against advancing Russian troops. Not sure if it was in Pavlovka

So this might be a 'best of' compilation by the Ukrs over the last weeks or couple of months of fighting, and across a broader section of the front

In fact judging by the unnecessary music track tacked onto this compilation - I'd say it was definitely put together by the Ukrs.
And they've released it just now when the commotion has hit its peak and the MoD has issued its denial.

I don't put too much stock in the video itself therefore.
Everything since 2014 the Ukrainian side has ever asserted or claimed has been a lie or exaggeration.
No doubt the losses are real, but who knows where and over what period.

I wonder who is working in concert with Ukrainian propagandists over on the Russian side.

Looking through the comments, it seems 1-2 of the vids were from Avdeevka, which is a different part of the front. It was admitted by the same commentator, who earlier said that all vids from Pavlovka

It's fake for most part.

https://t.me/wargonzo/9106

The field commander was called and said they they are pushing hard and there are indeed losses but nothing to the extent being mentioned by Ukies and their TG friends.

sepheronx wrote:It's fake for most part.

https://t.me/wargonzo/9106

The field commander was called and said they they are pushing hard and there are indeed losses but nothing to the extent being mentioned by Ukies and their TG friends.

But it's not just being mentioned by the Ukies is it. Multiple channels and sources were spreading the fakes, rumours and panic-mongering.

Some work needs to be done, who has connections to whom exactly, on the Telegram channels

flamming_python wrote:

sepheronx wrote:It's fake for most part.

https://t.me/wargonzo/9106

The field commander was called and said they they are pushing hard and there are indeed losses but nothing to the extent being mentioned by Ukies and their TG friends.

But it's not just being mentioned by the Ukies is it. Multiple channels and sources were spreading the fakes, rumours and panic-mongering.

Some work needs to be done, who has connections to whom exactly, on the Telegram channels

Anyone can start a Telegram channel. I wouldn't doubt that majority of them are liberals whom are anti government that spread the fakes. Maybe Ukrainians who run the Russian Telegram channel's? They all have an agenda and while there should be prosecution on these people spreading fakes (maybe a hefty fine), the best course of action is to dispell them with facts.

It's always the same. Few dead soldiers here and there which maybe is 20 at best and "OMG, hundreds dead".

The question asked "name and proof of all hundreds dead" and then silence.

Not sure if you have noticed : military prosecutors office is already involved.
Most of those TG channels are just running for cash. They will say anything that focus an attention.

ALAMO wrote:Not sure if you have noticed : military prosecutors office is already involved.
Most of those TG channels are just running for cash. They will say anything that focus an attention.

I did wonder if those TG posters who were in Russia were running a risk of a hand on their shoulder.