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    Post  limb Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:12 pm

    Waiting for the residents here to claim leaving Kherson is a genius and correct tlstrategy and totally not a clusterfuck of the nth degree. Pieces of censored couldn't even supply a bank of a river.  Say goodbye to water, crimea. Gestures of goodwill are more important.

    But im sure we'll have a fun konashenkov report tmr... And podlodka and alamo saying its actually a victory.


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    Post  Azi Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:12 pm

    The Russian army has begun physical withdrawal from Kherson. There is currently a statement from the Department of Defense confirming the withdrawal.

    If that's true and it shouldn't be a trap (the possibility still exists) then we are seeing Russia's defeat in the war right now!

    If it's not a trap, then we won't see a counter-offensive in December or later, Russia will settle for a draw and thus actually a defeat for their side. Russia will neither get the Donbass nor be able to guarantee the water supply for Crimea. In addition, they will lose the 300 billion euros lying in the west.

    To clarify again...

    As difficult as it is for Ukraine to attack across the Dnieper, it will be just as impossible for Russia! Russia would suffer the heaviest losses if it wanted to reconquer the lost territories!


    A disaster across the board! Russia officially cedes territory. Let's pray it's just a trap!!!


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    Post  zorobabel Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:14 pm

    limb wrote:Waiting for the residents here to claim leaving Kherson is a genius and correct tlstrategy and totally not a clusterfuck of the nth degree. Pieces of censored couldn't even supply a bank of a river.  Say goodbye to water, crimea. Gestures of goodwill are more important.
    This was not a gesture of goodwill. Not part of any deal. Just a slow but steady military defeat.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:17 pm

    zorobabel wrote:Well, I was wrong. Shoigu just announced withdrawal from the west bank of the Dnieper.

    Speechless...

    Put link.
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    Post  sundoesntrise Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:18 pm

    Russia is going to evacuate from Kherson and the entire right bank of the Dnieper.

    Russia should just go home and close the curtains for a day or two for some deep and quiet introspection. If you don't want to win stay at home.

    Tonight will be quiet on russiadefence. Tomorrow the shills will be back in full force though (as usual) with a scripted response on how this is all part of the plan and you are just a doomer and dumbass for not seeing the Grand Strategy.

    Word.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:20 pm

    Aaaaand here come the doomers cheers

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:21 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Aaaaand here come the doomers cheers

    All of them considering the number of undisplayed posts Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  zorobabel Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:22 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:Well, I was wrong. Shoigu just announced withdrawal from the west bank of the Dnieper.

    Speechless...

    Put link.
    https://t.me/intelslava/40802
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    Post  Azi Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:22 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Aaaaand here come the doomers cheers
    Where do you live in Russia? Maybe you will be part of Ukraine soon Wink Enjoy!!!

    Kherson is a nothingburger Wink I know I know...same like Moscow and every other region of Russia!

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:24 pm

    zorobabel wrote:
    limb wrote:Waiting for the residents here to claim leaving Kherson is a genius and correct tlstrategy and totally not a clusterfuck of the nth degree. Pieces of censored couldn't even supply a bank of a river.  Say goodbye to water, crimea. Gestures of goodwill are more important.
    This was not a gesture of goodwill. Not part of any deal. Just a slow but steady military defeat.

    Where is this great defeat?

    All those defenses, ordnance Russia has deployed there, parity of manpower, air superiority

    Yesterday when the Ukrainian light infantry attempted to advance, they were repelled with heavy losses

    Therefore any announcements or movements should be treated as manuever warfare, nothing more.

    I'm frankly surprised that the Ukrainians advanced on Kherson at all. They themselves realized the Russians were setting a trap. But I guess the Russian pronouncements of 'Kherson deciding the war' and the mid-terms made the prospect too enticing to pass up.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:24 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Aaaaand here come the doomers cheers

    Poor try to deflect.

    Any words of wisdom on the recent announcement?

    Specifically asking you, as you've evolved into the main propagandists on this board - basically blowing non stop smoke into people's eyes and leading the online witchhunts on the dissidents that dare to question the Kremlin's effort and strategy.
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    Post  Azi Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:26 pm

    The only point that has me completely puzzled is that the defense has been much better on all front sections in the last few weeks and months. Also, Ukraine's offensive wasn't very strong right now and the weather sucks...lots of mud and slush.

    I personally still believe in a trap. The signal to the outside and inside is glorious, no matter what plans are on the table at the General Staff. The No. 2 in the world doesn't really need a trap.
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    Post  Azi Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:27 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Where is this great defeat?
    Losing territory is a DEFEAT!

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:27 pm

    sundoesntrise wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Aaaaand here come the doomers cheers

    Poor try to deflect.

    Any words of wisdom on the recent announcement?

    Specifically asking you, as you've evolved into the main propagandists on this board - basically blowing non stop smoke into people's eyes and leading the online witchhunts on the dissidents that dare to question the Kremlin's effort and strategy.

    How nice of you to rejoin us sundoesntrise. Haven't seen you since the last Ukro propaganda offensive Sleep

    How are Kissinger's efforts with the Chinese doing?

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    Post  zorobabel Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:29 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:
    This was not a gesture of goodwill. Not part of any deal. Just a slow but steady military defeat.

    Where is this great defeat?

    All those defenses, ordnance Russia has deployed there, parity of manpower, air superiority

    Yesterday when the Ukrainian light infantry attempted to advance, they were repelled with heavy losses

    Therefore any announcements or movements should be treated as manuever warfare, nothing more.

    I'm frankly surprised that the Ukrainians advanced on Kherson at all. They themselves realized the Russians were setting a trap. But I guess the Russian pronouncements of 'Kherson deciding the war' and the mid-terms made the prospect too enticing to pass up.
    They announced they were unable to supply the west bank. The defeat was not on the battlefield, but a slow-moving effort to squeeze supply lines. The destruction of the bridge, rocket attacks on the barges and the pontoon bridge that was never completed.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:30 pm

    Azi wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Where is this great defeat?
    Losing territory is a DEFEAT!

    Tell that to Kutuzov.

    Do relax and quite being yet another incoming panic-monger who appears but once per full tide. It's a battle and not only will the lines go to and fro as per tactical expediency, but most of what you hear about it will either be inaccurate or disinfo for a little while yet


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    Post  limb Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:30 pm

    Putin is a traitor to the crimean people. To just deprive them of water forever. WITHOUT A FIGHT. HOW THE **** DO YOU GIVE A A MASSIVELY IMPORTANT STRIP OF LAND TO THE ENEMY WITHOUT A FIGHT????? WHAT HAPPENED TO RUSSIAN LOGISTICS???? A single river. A fucking river. Being used as an sxcuse to **** over crimea and the Russian soldiers and Ukrainian officialswho gave their lives to liberate Kherson.

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    Post  limb Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:31 pm

    zorobabel wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:
    This was not a gesture of goodwill. Not part of any deal. Just a slow but steady military defeat.

    Where is this great defeat?

    All those defenses, ordnance Russia has deployed there, parity of manpower, air superiority

    Yesterday when the Ukrainian light infantry attempted to advance, they were repelled with heavy losses

    Therefore any announcements or movements should be treated as manuever warfare, nothing more.

    I'm frankly surprised that the Ukrainians advanced on Kherson at all. They themselves realized the Russians were setting a trap. But I guess the Russian pronouncements of 'Kherson deciding the war' and the mid-terms made the prospect too enticing to pass up.
    They announced they were unable to supply the west bank. The defeat was not on the battlefield, but a slow-moving effort to squeeze supply lines. The destruction of the bridge, rocket attacks on the barges and the pontoon bridge that was never completed.

    So himars wasnt a strategic nothingburger like the geniuses here assured us...
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    Post  Broski Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:39 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:So, when should we expect a Russian offensive to start?
    They're waiting for you to fall asleep first so they can sneak past your bedroom into Nikolaev and Odessa.

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    Post  Hole Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:40 pm

    This tells me that the winter offensive will come from the North.  Very Happy

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:41 pm

    Unless Putin and Shoigu are lying through their teeth or they are starting an offensive in another sector this is bad

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:42 pm

    For instance, something that matters and is interesting, the full record of Surovikins reporting.

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/69796

    The most important part is at the end, let me make a rough translation.
    Emergency water drop made on the Kachovka dam already made some wide submerges in the area, which makes resupply and reinforcement serious issues. The dam is still intensively shelled, the possibility of breaking it must be taken into account - some locks were already destroyed. The decision of making the line of defense at the eastern river bank was accepted by the MOD and executed.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:45 pm

    I cannot even begin to understand why they retreated, this isn't a tactical retreat to lure them in if the fact their supply lines were hurt to that point is the excuse THIS CLOSE TO RUSSIA.

    Then I have serious concerns about russian logistics.

    Kherson should not have fallen nor is there any worth in surrendering it like that.

    Man I thought after Khakrov the russians would have learned, but apparently not.

    Welp time for the fanboys to play the deflecting game.

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    Post  limb Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:47 pm

    ALAMO wrote:For instance, something that matters and is interesting, the full record of Surovikins reporting.

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/69796

    The most important part is at the end, let me make a rough translation.
    Emergency water drop made on the Kachovka dam already made some wide submerges in the area, which makes resupply and reinforcement serious issues. The dam is still intensively shelled, the possibility of breaking it must be taken into account - some locks were already destroyed. The decision of making the line of defense at the eastern river bank was accepted by the MOD and executed.

    This means that Russia failed at destroying himars and olkha MLRS.
    Rising water levels shouldnt matter. Its just a river. Kherson is 327000 city with god knows how many opportunities to fortify. Russia is leaving it without a fight. Meanwhile Ukraine is still successfully defending Bakhmut, a 72000 pop cuty for 5 months now.


    This tells me that the winter offensive will come from the North. Very Happy

    jocolor jocolor jocolor Of course youre happy.


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:47 pm

    zorobabel wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:
    This was not a gesture of goodwill. Not part of any deal. Just a slow but steady military defeat.

    Where is this great defeat?

    All those defenses, ordnance Russia has deployed there, parity of manpower, air superiority

    Yesterday when the Ukrainian light infantry attempted to advance, they were repelled with heavy losses

    Therefore any announcements or movements should be treated as manuever warfare, nothing more.

    I'm frankly surprised that the Ukrainians advanced on Kherson at all. They themselves realized the Russians were setting a trap. But I guess the Russian pronouncements of 'Kherson deciding the war' and the mid-terms made the prospect too enticing to pass up.
    They announced they were unable to supply the west bank. The defeat was not on the battlefield, but a slow-moving effort to squeeze supply lines. The destruction of the bridge, rocket attacks on the barges and the pontoon bridge that was never completed.

    If that is the honest excuse from them, I no longer wanna hear from fanboys Russia could beat NATO if Ukraine alone can do this that close to their boarders

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