Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36

If the US and whole western Europe would take on Russia, I doubt the Ruskies would last a week. However in a nuclear world this will never happen, and both sides knows it.

That's not feasible at all. First Western Europe is not nearly enough to defeat Russia conventionally, and if US went all in from their side, why should China stand back and watch? It immediately triggers a global conflict.

Also Russia has the most capable MIC unless these rollouts are lies and "no more missiles" and "launching last of stocks" is true, which I'll leave to reader to decide...

The Western MIC is theoretical and hasn't won anything against any "peer" since WW2.
Ask yourself why they're trumping on all fronts how Russian power projection is the #1 problem of the global civilization right now, and 15 years ago they were saying that Russia has no power projection. No blue water navy, ancient ground forces, and outdated, outstaffed and ill maintained airforce that doesn't even operate the best aircraft country can produce. So the most powerful NATO/Western MIC cannot compensate to what Russians did in 15 years? Under tight budget, with economic crisis, and under growing sanctions and separation from world's trade? Well then they (west) are nowhere as near as capable as they pretend to be.

Silly to say there is a huge difference between war and peacetime, go on try us make NATO go full scale production and the west will start shitting out stuff at shocking rates, that's what you guys won't ever understand and will never understand. Once you give us a reason to that is and no Ukraine isn't a reason.

Honestly, I know many higher ups are surprised Ukraine has lasted this long (due to russias weak opening of the war) No government wants to push their peacetime economy into a wartime one unless they really have to

NATO can easily outproduce russia during wartime, and we have far more manpower.

Russia would never win a conventional war against NATO that is true to say

The Russians kicked the ass of all Europeans except the Italians, Spaniards and Portuguese.
It is their supporters on this forum who, like hungry hyenas, think that it is time to finish off Russia.
I would also like to **** Charlize Theron, although I know that the chances of that are very small - or rather none...

seigsolovyov wrote:
Silly to say there is a huge difference between war and peacetime, go on try us make NATO go full scale production and the west will start shitting out stuff at shocking rates, that's what you guys won't ever understand and will never understand. Once you give us a reason to that is and no Ukraine isn't a reason.

What production

This ain't 1941 fool

- you guys would need to import all the Chinese engineers from Guangzhou to match Russian industrial capacity

That GDP is paper, it definitely ain't industrial

As for manpower, the Russian male population is enough for the west

Those fruitboots ain't getting mobilized, and if the kalibration of US power grid gets going, and those soy boys lose wifi

It's a wrap

I and many others see the current American administration as potentially illegitimate and thanks to woke horseshit the best America has to offer will think twice about joining an organization that hates them and sees them as an obstacle to progress. Also we have gutted much of our industrial capabilities and unless there is full mobilization of citizens and corporations for ww3 it will take years to build up our might at any great level.

Beyond this, our leaders are nuts. They genuinely believe they can threaten Russia into regime change. Did you even read that retarded NYT article? This is insanity. I refuse to believe western leadership is so foolish. Is a nuclear holocaust part of their great reset or something?

Have you noticed that SS entries are practically about ... nothing?

Every single case when talk goes down to ANY tech details means no SS anymore

Oh, why oh why oh why?


Yeah, I know - he is hardly literate, have issue with basic English carried by non Murican redneck speakers, and the 4x6 can cause brain damage, still

As Petr Bystron, foreign policy speaker of the AfD faction in the Bundestag, noted, Ukraine cannot win a military victory over Russia, and geopolitically and economically this conflict is beneficial exclusively to the United States

Yeah, I have watched that in German. The guy was utterly emotional. And was on point. Sadly.

The US doesn't make anything

It's outsourced everything, most of the steel is being imported from China

It's electronics are made at the Foxconn factory

There are no welders left, at least not for an industrial scale , only to bandaid some mistakes at the Iron Bathworks -

Besides that, the rust belt, motor city, are a shell of their former selves

As Putin said , Russia produced more than 3 times the missiles of the entire west combined

Silly to say there is a huge difference between war and peacetime, go on try us make NATO go full scale production and the west will start shitting out stuff at shocking rates, that's what you guys won't ever understand and will never understand. Once you give us a reason to that is and no Ukraine isn't a reason.

Honestly I don't want to go on sociopolitical analysis lament,
The gist of it would be that no reason is good enough except a blatant attack on a NATO country. Because in order to go to "full production" you would need to sacrifice standard of living for a greater cause. Simply put, I do not think that typical western-individualist society of 21st century is willing to let go of amenities and purchasing power in order for a higher political/military cause unless it's pretty much clear their home could be bombed tomorrow.

Despite the fact he is Jewish, comparisons between Zelensky and Hitler are actually very apt if you think about it. They follow a rigid doctrine of holding ground at all costs despite the logic of it, and both of them have turned to abusing drugs. I wonder if he will also end up being like Hitler by shooting himself in the head in a bunker when the Russians are on the verge of capturing him... I doubt it though, because he'll probably fleet to his mansion in Miami or Israel long before that point.

Excuse me, it must be Ihar Hennadevych.
They're the good Ru... I mean totally not Russians and totally not enemies of their own people.

As there is already a lot of evidence of bio labs in Ukraine, the west was doing a lot of tests there. Here is one video of the bio labs.

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Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 18 Jan 2023

#Kiev Region:

A helicopter of the Ukrainian State Emergency Service, carrying high-ranking officials of the Republic's Interior Ministry, crashed into a kindergarten in #Brovary early this morning.

Ukrainian Interior Minister Denis Monastyrsky, his deputy, the head of security and three crew members died in the crash. Civilians, including one child, were also among the victims.

#Belgorod Region:

Russian air defences intercepted aerial targets in the Krasnogvardeysky district of the #Belgorod region during the day. Casualties and destruction were avoided.

#Starobelsk Direction:

Fighting continues near #Novoselovskoye. Russian units, supported by artillery, repel enemy attacks and prevent them from gaining a foothold in the "grey zone".

In the #Liman sector, Russian units supported by armoured vehicles and artillery ara conducting an offensive at the #Makeyevka - Balka Zhuravka line. Artillery fire destroyed a Ukrainian army stronghold.

#Soledar Direction:

After the complete liberation of #Sol station, Wagner's PMC assault troops are fighting in the area of #Razdolovka and #Krasnopolye, pushing the enemy further and further away from #Soledar.
North of #Bakhmut, clashes continue at the approaches to #Paraskovievka and Krasnaya Gora. The advance is hampered by a network of enemy strongholds.

Russian forces are fighting in the urban area of #Bakhmut. The AFU try to prevent the surrender of the city and moves reinforcements to Chasov Yar to slow down the Russian offensive.

South of Bakhmut, heavy fighting continues in #Kleshchiyevka. The liberation of the settlement will make it possible to take the Chasov Yar - #Bakhmut highway under fire control and block the town from the south.

#Donetsk Direction:

Ukrainian terrorist formations have again fired barrel and rocket artillery at #Donetsk and adjacent settlements.
Civilian buildings near the Rezon wholesale depot in #Gorlovka sustained damage. Residential buildings were destroyed in #Staromikhaylovka, #Yasynuvata and #Dokuchaevsk. At least one person was killed and one wounded.

#Zaporozhye Region:

Mutual shelling by both sides continues along the line of contact, with Russian forces hitting enemy concentrations in #Gulyaypole, Malaya Tokmachka, #Orekhov, #Malinovka and #Plavni. For their part, the AFU shelled #Mikhailovka with rocket artillery.

#Kherson Direction on Southern Front:

Russian artillery struck enemy targets in #Kherson, #Ochakov, #Antonovka, #Veseloye and #Beregovoye.

The AFU shelled Novaya Kakhovka, civilians were not harmed.


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Heavy fighting is going on all along the front - Deputy Commander of the 2nd Army Corps of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Commander of the Special Forces "AKHMAT"

Heavy fighting is taking place along the entire contact line. But I can make everyone happy: the initiative is firmly with us. The enemy is destroyed daily. The enemy is suffering heavy losses both in manpower and equipment. On the left side of us, the Wagner PMCs and units of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation block Artemovsk conduct effective combat operations. Artemovsk is "compressed" on the right side, the main arteries of the AFU support have been cut. The issue of Soledar is closed, said Apti Alaudinov.

The area of responsibility of the special forces "AKHMAT" - Kremennaya-Soledar. These days we had continuous battles in the Belogorovka area. The enemy has transferred large forces and funds here. The counteroffensive attempt ended with the destruction of a large number of enemy fighters and military equipment, as well as the capture of six people. The prisoners tell quite interesting things. They, including the disabled, were gathered all over Ukraine, for a maximum of a month they underwent imitation military training, and in fact they chopped firewood and dug trenches. All this only confirms that the enemy is trying to do everything possible with the last of his strength, if only the Western sponsors would be satisfied with them.

Those enemy fighters who are trained abroad (in Europe and the USA) do not fight on the front line. The mobilized are thrown to the front. This happens forcibly, under threats of physical violence. This is what prisoners from different areas of combat contact say. The enemy throws the mobilized en masse. Frankly considers them "meat". This is confirmed every time we occupy enemy positions. As soon as this happens, artillery shelling and the destruction of their own fighters begins, while we step back and watch this betrayal from the side.


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BMPD
January 19th, 10:58 pm

Fights among the walls and the capture of Soledar


A fighter of the Wagner PMC unit in Soledar against the backdrop of the Holy Transfiguration Church, January 2023 (c) Viktor Antonyuk / RIA Novosti



   "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" published an article by Sergei Ptichkin "Fighting among the walls: military expert Ruslan Pukhov spoke about the features of the assault on Soledar" with comments by the director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST), a member of the Public Council under the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation Ruslan Pukhov, about the significance of the capture of Soledar by Russian forces during the hostilities in Ukraine and what war in the city is like today.

Ruslan Nikolaevich, the capture of Soledar by the Russian forces was another example of fierce fighting in urban areas. What do you think is the significance of this event in the general context of a special military operation?


Ruslan Pukhov: The capture of Soledar is important not only because it was the first significant success of the Russian forces in the Northern Military District since the beginning of July, that is, in six months. I would consider it in several aspects.

Firstly, at the operational-tactical level, Soledar is a kind of key to Bakhmut, allowing you to cover this city from the north, which is still held by Ukrainian troops, and intercept part of Ukrainian communications to Bakhmut. It is no coincidence that in Ukraine, according to known data, the abandonment of Bakhmut is already being discussed. Seversk, which is controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, is also under threat. The capture of Bakhmut and Seversk, in turn, ensures the advance to Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, that is, to the liberation of the entire legally declared territory of the DPR within the former Donetsk region.

Secondly, at the strategic level, the Russian offensive on Soledar and Bakhmut made it possible to chain a large grouping of Ukrainian forces to them, including part of the operational-strategic reserves, which the Armed Forces of Ukraine had previously planned to use for offensive operations in the development of their autumn successes achieved at the Balakleysko-Izyumsky and Kherson directions. Now the plans for these offensives have been thwarted, or at least postponed, and some of the reserves have been used up in defensive battles in Soledar and Bakhmut. Hence Kiev's insistent appeals to Western partners for the supply of new military equipment, intended primarily for replenishing reserves.

Thirdly, the capture of Soledar and the pressure on Bakhmut made it possible to greatly reduce the optimism (or rather, "bring down arrogance") of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Kiev leadership and its Western allies, which arose after their autumn successes. In October, November and early December, there was an abundance of talk in Ukraine and in the West about how the Armed Forces of Ukraine would soon liberate the entire territory of Ukraine, including Crimea. Now the general opinion in the same West is that the war will be rather protracted, they again started talking about the "Korean scenario", referring to the positional stage of the Korean War in 1951-1953, which eventually led to the division of the country along the then stabilized front line, turned into the demarcation line that exists to this day.

Fourthly, the battles for Soledar demonstrated a qualitative change in Russian forces. I mean, first of all, a significant increase in the number of infantry, which has now become the basis of the Russian grouping. Let me remind you that it was the extreme lack of infantry that was the Russian "Achilles heel" and one of the significant reasons for our failures in the SMO in the spring and summer of 2022. In fact, the lack of infantry content previously made it impossible for Russian forces to either attack effectively or defend effectively.
By the way, the key role of infantry in combat operations in urban areas is much discussed in the recently published book of our AST Center "War among the Walls", which I recommend to those who are interested in these issues.

I know that the experts of the Center scrupulously studied the "urban battles of our time" - from World War II to the events of 2014-2015 in the Donbass. Did the battles for Soledar bring anything new to the tactics of fighting in cities?

Ruslan Pukhov: A feature of the recent military operations in the area of ​​Soledar and Bakhmut has become, as already mentioned, the widespread involvement of purely infantry units on the Russian side. For us, this is largely new, since, for example, in the fighting in Grozny in both Chechen campaigns, the Russian army, due to the lack of infantry, was forced to use units of the Airborne Forces, the Internal Troops, all kinds of special forces, riot police and similar formations that are poorly suited to replace it. for intense fighting in urban areas. Also, the lack of infantry led to an unjustifiably widespread use of armored vehicles, devoid of any infantry support.
Now we see the use of more balanced forces for urban combat, which, apparently, had a positive effect on the results of the battles for Soledar.

In principle, as can be judged, the Russian forces used during the assault on Soledar all the main methods of urban warfare and assault operations developed over the past decades in urban areas by the military of different countries.

Another feature of combat operations in cities during the SMO is the ever-increasing use of unmanned aerial vehicles for both reconnaissance and strike missions. Moreover, it is specifically reconnaissance tasks that should be emphasized - drones are revolutionizing modern warfare, primarily by the ability to provide almost continuous round-the-clock monitoring of the battlefield, and in the interests of even the smallest units, crews and crews. This expands unprecedentedly, to use a fashionable term, the "situational awareness" of troops and the ability to control the situation and target designation.

Can we draw any conclusions from the current concepts and approaches of the leading NATO countries to urban warfare?

Ruslan Pukhov: The views of the most militarily advanced Western countries on the "war among the walls" are well known. They demonstrate the importance of information superiority, which provides the same "situational awareness", as well as a high level of control and coordination during hostilities in the city - that is, the critical importance of communications and control.
This makes it possible, on the one hand, to ensure the effective actions of combined forces and groups that are most effective in urban conditions, and on the other hand, to provide them with fire support using artillery, aircraft and high-precision weapons.

It is the mass distribution of high-precision weapons in the future that should become decisive for conducting successful military operations in the city, since it will effectively and reliably hit enemy firing points and centers of resistance, while reducing collateral damage.
I will also highlight the use of aviation, equipped precisely with high-precision weapons. Acting in conjunction with high-quality advanced air guidance and target designation, it makes it possible even now to form a crushing "reconnaissance and strike circuit" to defeat the enemy at the forefront with minimizing the involvement of ground forces.

Unfortunately, as the experience of the SMO has shown, it is precisely in these matters (high-precision weapons and the use of aircraft equipped with them to support troops) that we are seriously lagging behind. This is also why the assaults on cities are going so slowly and are accompanied by such fierce fighting by ground forces.



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You know it's bad when you get tired of seeing AFU everyday try to mobilize random civilians.

even operate the best aircraft country can produce. So the most powerful NATO/Western MIC cannot compensate to what Russians did in 15 years? Under tight budget, with economic crisis, and under growing sanctions and separation from world's trade? Well then they (west) are nowhere as near as capable as they pretend to be.

in Europe there are only 2 countries 3 at most that build tanks, France and Germany, 3 if you include Italy but when was the last time Italy built a Ariete MBT ??, neither of these countries have the capacity any more to mass produce tanks and when was the last time America built a new Abrams tank from scratch ?? UK soon to be England, had to get the Germans to upgrade there challenger 2s to Challenger 3 because they don't have the ability any more to build MBTs, IFVs or APCs

it would take years for these countries to ramp up assembly lines for new MBTs

Why do you like only NATO to escalate?

It is natural for them to be the only escalator because they are the aggressor.

Military summons are being handed out even at hospitals in Ukraine now. Mind you, in the past week they placed recruitment officers at all major entrances/exits to larger cities such as Lvov and Kiev, and in previous weeks we've seen lots of footage of them harassing pensioners on the streets all over the country. That tells me they're desperate for more people to man the less prioritized lines, so that they can concentrate all good/decent forces on containing the Bakhmut axis and attempting to do something in Kreminna.

Those recruitment officers and their men will be ruthless in getting bodies soon because when they can't deliver more bodies to the front they will get their orders to head to the front themselves...

What do you guys think about the possibilities of ukro (aka NATO) attack on Russian MIC factories? US is surely following the path of escalation and Russian MIC is the lifeline of Russian war efforts. NATO can't match it anytime soon. Sanctions not working, going after the factories are the only short term way for them to achieve anything.

The risk of operatives being captured and spilling the beans would be more explosive than anything else so far... when it was shown that British special forces helped plan the attack on the Crimean bridge and the water surface drones used to attack the Crimea and Black Sea Fleet, their HQ in that Ukrainian town was leveled...

I rather suspect Russia knows about HATO units in Ukraine based on the EW signatures and probably monitors those bases for information rather than just destroying them as quickly as they find them so they can learn more about the plans and operations of the enemy forces.

Would be very simple to shift to a policy of ever signal to be eliminated as quickly as possible, which would probably kill a few foreigners.

Equally there are Ukrainian oligarchs and their properties and resources and radical anti Russian politicians and their properties that could also be targeted if you want to escalate.

The Orcs are screaming for western tanks and western planes and western artillery, which suggests they have run out of their own and/or have lost the resources to support them... either of which sounds a bit dire for them because this new stuff will be much harder to maintain and operate and keep working.

And no the lancet hitting the cab doesnt count, because the gun and its autoloading system were completely undamaged.

If they can't get replacement parts losing two front tires could immobilise the vehicle if they can't replace them.

The cab is where the electronics are that point the gun and give it its accuracy... and its speed into and out of position.

Dont they have drones and satellites for that?

The enemy wont see drones or satellites... so they will stay hidden in their positions... drones and satellites can't see through a roof or a wall.

Sending a recon force means the enemy defence responds and the recon unit as well as satellites and drones will see the response and take note...

With Finland being part of the west and already a close partner to Nato and a to soon become a full member, gess how much support they would get from both EU and the US.

What sort of support did Finland need? Why would Russia invade Finland? You are being ridiculous. If you want to fight Russia hard enough I am sure you will get your wish, but how do you think it will turn out this time around... and how would that compare if you just ignored the BS propaganda from the west and remained neutral like the rest of the world is managing to do... most of which are benefiting from cheap energy exports from Russia ATM.

If the Russian output is higher than that of western defense companies, then things could look really bad for countries like Finland and Sweden. Because at some point everyone is next to himself... and I don't think that German citizens want to die for Finland while migrants fertilize their wives at home.

Just look at how the US and EU behaved over the Coronovirus seizing deliveries of medical equipment and sending planes to China to outbid orders on the runway to take stock ordered by other countries and already paid for to steal their stuff... they are backstabbers with no moral fibre at all... every man for himself, but during peacetime very moral and ethical and certain you are not spending enough on your own defence... perhaps you need some US soldiers stationed in your country?

LMAO at being afraid of the US attacking cuba. Russia could just send some of its frigates thereand a small troop detachment. Do you seriously believe the US will risk killing russian army and navy troops in cuba, if cuba sends its troops to ukraine.

The western embargo on Cuba is a US embargo, but if Cuba sent troops to fight for former Ukrainian soldiers fighting against Kievs western backed ukrainian soldiers then the entire west would slam Cuba with sanctions of all types and shapes... and for what... why should Cuba care about what is happening in Europe?

Did you read what I wrote? I was talking about cuba sending its troops in ukraine to help russia, not attacking the US.

What sort of escalation would that even be?

You are assuming the Russians want to get new troops into theatre with completely different weapons and training... is their body armour up to scratch, are their helmets any good, do their uniforms look different enough from Ukrainian uniforms... etc etc. Not to mention the language barrier...

Perhaps they could send some observers to get some experience of modern war, and I am not having a go at Cuba, I am sure their military is very professional... lots of respect to countries that say no to the US and don't get crushed because of that... more respect to North Korea and Cuba and Vietnam and Iran and many other countries than for those that fold like bitches and do as they are told even when it is not in their interests (EU and entire west).

A very bad sign. They expect missile attacks on Moscow. Ukraine doesn't have anything to hit that far.

Better safe than sorry... that is the model with the two faced radar that was upgraded to deal with drones (ie two scans per rotation means the air picture is updated twice as often so you get a better track of everything in the sky which makes detection faster and more accurate.

Just ridiculous. How many Ukrainians will even be left to man these things by the end of this year?

Did they not learn from arming the Taliban in Afghanistan... thanks for all the new stuff but we surrender...

Take away the Challenger 2 and the Leopard 2 tanks I actually think the CV-90 will be one of the more lethal units on the battleground.

They are not likely to even see what hits them... when you don't control the air...

By the time those weapons arrive, they will be useless- Ukros won't have defensive positions

That new armour in open flat terrain will be very vulnerable... I seem to remember after a HATO exercise I think it was a Greek officer who commented that it would be easy to defeat his force... just blow up all the bushes in the open field...

Not a single cruise missile, tank, fighter, bomber, patriot missile ecs ecs has so far been used.

Cruise missiles, fighters and bombers need safe airspace to operate in, and patriot is no where near up to the job of making the airspace over Ukraine safe...

If the US and whole western Europe would take on Russia, I doubt the Ruskies would last a week.

Makes you wonder why they are afraid of sending troops into Ukraine to help their ally...

Hans Christian was Danish dumbass...

He was not a dumbass at all, I enjoyed the liberal western corruptions of his stories as a child...

Silly to say there is a huge difference between war and peacetime, go on try us make NATO go full scale production and the west will start shitting out stuff at shocking rates, that's what you guys won't ever understand and will never understand. Once you give us a reason to that is and no Ukraine isn't a reason.

Even without Covid and the conflict in Ukraine western quality of life was declining for the majority and improving for those who think Davos is important... isn't Davos a super villain in the Dr Who universe... are they going to invent the Daleks...

NATO can easily outproduce russia during wartime, and we have far more manpower.

Ukraine has had a manpower advantage throughout this conflict... didn't seem to help a lot.

Russia would never win a conventional war against NATO that is true to say

So people in the west keep saying, but after 8 years of deception to build up the Ukrainian forces, they really don't impress so far.

Despite the fact he is Jewish, comparisons between Zelensky and Hitler are actually very apt if you think about it.

Both think they are the superior race chosen by god to rule the world... it is just that Hitler failed.

This is confirmed every time we occupy enemy positions. As soon as this happens, artillery shelling and the destruction of their own fighters begins, while we step back and watch this betrayal from the side.

Wow, so those western artillery pieces and their ammo is being used to kill poor Ukrainians who don't have the political or economic clout to get to go to western training or move to the EU or Israel...

Those enemy fighters who are trained abroad (in Europe and the USA) do not fight on the front line.

So it is military units deeper behind the enemy lines that the Russians should target... no level of western training will protect you from artillery or cruise missile attack.

Who are you to say theres no need? There is need for EVERYTHING. There is no collapse. The russian army isnt "just waiting" it DOESNT HAVE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT. Thats the reason why russia is not advancing on the zaporozhie front. If you think they dont want to take ugledar, gulyaipole, orekhov because they're "taking their time" you're deluded. They simply can't , because this front needs at least 200000 heavily mechanized soldiers, but theres simply not enough. A north korean and cuban expeditionary corps would remedy this.


Also north korea is already completely sanctioned. Same with cuba. What could the west possibly do more to them?

Also it about SENDING A MESSAGE. Instead of talking about cuck redlines, russia should take revenge for the bombing of engels, belgorod, kerch bridge, Us operatives, etc with its own escalation. Why do you like cuckholdry? Why do you like only NATO to escalate?

What makes you think the Norks or Cubans want to send their military men into a foreign war that they are not obligated to be involved in? What makes you think they will be willing to see a slow but nevertheless steady stream of casualties?

What makes you think Russia will want a foreign army unit from a different continent fighting a war with it; when it itself has its own reputation to uphold, and when it puts the emphasis on being a liberation war of the Russian people in the Donbass?

And what escalation do you want, limb?
Maybe you can give Russia the coordinates of some Ukrainian secret base that it has missed with the thousands of missiles it has itself launched so far?
Or do you mean that Russia should strike NATO territory. Is that what you mean limb?

None of your suggestions make any sense, they are unrealistic and your attitude is all about fermenting dissent and mistrust in the leadership.

With Finland being part of the west and already a close partner to Nato and a to soon become a full member, gess how much support they would get from both EU and the US.

How much?
Are they going to send them all the Leo 2s they haven't sent to the Ukraine?

Not that I would support such a retarded attack mind you; Finland has no claims, is of no threat to any Russian territory or Russian anything of note.

Something very ominous has happened for the VSU

The loss of Orekhov checkpoints means something

If the Russian army is conducting recco operations in that area, where they have not made any movement in months

It suggests they are probing the Ukrainian response- granted there could be a giant Ukrainian fist behind Gulyaipolye which is the force waiting to storm Melitopol and eventually Crimea

This could be the western trained army , while the mobilized fodder is thrown at Bakhmut

So if there indeed is a Ukro fist in Zaporozhye, they have 2 choices, either counter attack and regain those positions in Orekhov- OR , stay silent to not be discovered-

Another thing, could be that there is no Ukro presence there, and we could see the start of the Russian offensive operation in this area


But it seems that Bakhmut is not the center of gravity for the area, in fact it is Chasov Yar, Konstantinovka, Toretsk, New York, and Marinka

Avdeyevka, Pervomaisk, and all those settlements are so fortified, it looks like a damn nightmare to try to storm those areas

But if an offensive will take place, remember the 3rd army corps which was spoken about as far back as summer 2022, was said to be there,

It would make sense, that Belarus, Soledar, and those are just ruses to mask the true intention of the Russian army - which has been silent for a very long time, to start something in Zaporozhye area and pre-empt the Ukrainian coming counteroffensive

A very bad sign. They expect missile attacks on Moscow. Ukraine doesn't have anything to hit that far.

A very good sign that military planners are doing their jobs and not succumbing to complacency, as was the case in failing to predict Engels as a target judging by the crappy defense of it two times in a row

I do find it funny though that Russia has been blaming the Ukraine for using air defence systems in city limits, and now has this thing sitting on a roof in central Moscow.
How did they even get it up there?

Like so

I do find it funny though that Russia has been blaming the Ukraine for using air defence systems in city limits, and now has this thing sitting on a roof in central Moscow.

The air defence system around Moscow would shoot down a Kh-22M type target well outside the boundaries of the city and most likely destroy it mid air with the warhead of the incoming threat exploding doing minimal damage on the ground.

This vehicle will be for engaging drones and other small threats, including their equivalent of the Russian Geraniums...

The Ukrainans will have training for all the equipment in Sweden and in the UK. Sweden will also set up a maintence and sparepart contract directly with the Ukrainian defence department to speed up delivery.

Take away the Challenger 2 and the Leopard 2 tanks I actually think the CV-90 will be one of the more lethal units on the battleground

I doubt any of this crap will make much difference. Some will be taken out in supply depots, some will be taken out from the air, and the rest will be destroyed in combat and then you're down those CV-90s and Archers.

But you will have painted a target on the back of any Swedish contingents outside Sweden, because you can bet that Russia will supply weapons to whoever  they're up against. And there certainly will be contingents in hostile territory, if Sweden joins NATO and this organization survives this current situation.. not that I think it will.

And **** with your stupid wink. It's our soldiers you're taking glee in targeting. Thats beneath any honour whatever, considering you're not at war with Russia. Maybe you should put your mind where your filthy mouth is and join a merc outfit in the Ukraine.