Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39

Verdammt, wo ist Steiner!!!!!

Theyre easier to identify than himars and have lower range

Ukrainian large caliber MRLS can fire at up to 130km, that's 50% more range when compared to HIMARS.

Ah yes, because "4 bradleys destroyed" konashenkov is such a reliable source

Ah yes,because misspeak the name of a vehicle ONCE
put someone's credibility into question

You are the guy who said that the Russian Mod claimed the destruction of more than 150 Su-25s at a time when they actually claimed less than 120, what moral do you have to criticize the reliability of others?

I wont believe any claims unless photos like this destroyed russian smerch are provided

The photo has a shitty resolution and you can't see any identification marks that let you know if the vehicle belongs to Russia or Ukraine.
And the coordinates they passed point to a region of Ukraine that spent an enormous amount of time under Ukrainian control.

In an ideal world, Moldova should probably be split, with one half going to Romania (regular Moldovans are Romanians) and the other to Novorossiya (the Russophone and -phile population east side of the Dnestr, eg Transnistria, and Gagauzia too, joining up with Odessa oblast as autonomous regions).

But, it's complicated. Romania is NATO, Moldovans have a peculiar sense of independence, Transnistria is awkwardly situated, Gagauzia while Russophile hasn't really said much, etc.

Me thinks that Russkie's appetite is not so big.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:In an ideal world, Moldova should probably be split, onehalf going to Romania (regular Moldovans are Romanians) and the other to Novorossiya (the Russophone and -phile population east side of the Dnestr, eg Transnistria, and Gagauzia too, joining up with Odessa oblast as autonomous regions).

After the EU goes tits up Romania will be trying to join Moldova

150% of the army.
Who bets higher?

Western media = woke = distorted or make believe reality = 1+2 =5, 8, 11 = your choice

The "Wagner Group" told who were killed in the south of Artemovsk

LUGANSK, February 26 - RIA Novosti. The soldiers killed and captured in the south of Artemovsk in the overwhelming majority of cases turned out to be from Western Ukraine, one of the commanders of the Wagner Group told RIA Novosti.

"They bring prisoners - we inspect a person, we look at documents. We read the registration addresses - these are Kiev region , Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv region . In general, Western Ukraine in majorityn," said the fighter, whose unit is participating in the assault on Artemovsk from the south.

https://ria.ru/20230226/artemovsk-1854359630.html?rcmd_alg=COL6&rcmd_id=1854441036



Now the slow Ukro grinder makes sense.

In any case I wonder what such an expansion would look like - missile strikes already occur at high frequency, maybe more traditional combined arms tactics? Aerial strikes, and more classical forms of war

There will be literally millions of targets they could be hitting but choose not to.

As the west escalates they can add targets to their list that they would not previously consider hitting...

I wont believe any claims unless photos like this destroyed russian smerch are provided

How can you tell it is Russian... the orcs put fake V and Z symbols on vehicles and pretend they are Russian all the time... usually with photoshop.

Maybe some pro nato belorussians ?

Or maybe some pro Russians who want to kill some nazis too.

The Nazis were nice and gentle in Belarus during WWII so nazis are obviously revered and respected there.... NOT.

The attack on the military airfield near Minsk is confirmed. The strike likely targeted the Russian A-50 early warning aircraft.
Whether the aircraft was hit, and how seriously, it's still not known.
Ukrainian sources report "medium damage".


Escalation?

Excellent... drone attacks against intel gathering unarmed aircraft on non combatants territory... that justifies Russian attacks on HATO intel gathering aircraft in HATO countries supplying weapons to Kiev doesn't it?

And Article 5 does not count because those HATO countries are participating in this conflict so this would be a response and not an attack.

Daily reminder that AFU was and is being trained by "the West civilised society" which trains terrorists around the globe...
Ukrainian sources publish a video of the transportation of Western military equipment inside civilian trucks

Like I said regarding members asking why the Russians are not spotting them moving armour by satellite... satellites only work if they pull back the things hiding them...

Russia must prevent ALL vehicles coming into the Pukraine from GATO countries.

There would be tens of thousands of trucks carrying goods into the east of Ukraine from Europe... they don't have enough ammo to destroy them all... the best option would be to pick a line and destroy any that go near that... the line needs to be far enough behind the front that it is out of artillery range and means to get to the front any armour delivered would need to drive exposed and vulnerable but even then it could have a tarp over it.

Otherwise Russia MUST destroy the vehicles that are acting with hostile intentions.

All the trucks transporting weapons and ammo will look the same as the trucks transporting food and other things for the civilian population to live normally... destroying all the trucks wont work because they likely don't have enough ordinance so things would still get through.

The spinsters at Slavyangrad are repeatedly saying that there was no attack at Machuliskchy or on a A-50 plane. So its unlikely that it happened.

That is a shame because it would be a very useful escalation from Russias perspective because it would mean third parties to the wars territory has become fair game and Russian missiles are vastly more effective than little drones.

There has to be a middle step between doing nothing and going apeshit.

Monitor the traffic and the heavy trucks carrying lots of cargo that stop in the middle of nowhere or military areas should be targeted... whether on their way in or on their way out... even if you don't kill armoured vehicles destroying trucks will be a logistics problem for them moving forward.

The way zelensky and west are playing this the only result that's reasonable is taking 75-80% of Ukraine leaving small enclave of pro neo Nazis in the far west, and taking whole of Moldova

No need to take Moldova unless the people want to join the RF... the breakaway regions border the Ukraine so those regions joining the Russian federation would suffice... no need to invade or occupy Moldova unless they invite HATO or the EU in and then consider it...

But, it's complicated. Romania is NATO, Moldovans have a peculiar sense of independence, Transnistria is awkwardly situated, Gagauzia while Russophile hasn't really said much, etc.

Not complicated at all... if Moldova remains neutral and doesn't join the conflict Russia has no reason to occupy their territory, but if autonomous Moldovan regions like Transnitria want Russian troops in then they can invite them on their territory... as long as the Ukrainian territory between the RF and these regions is neutral then there should not be any problems... they are no longer isolated and can trade and I suspect open trade with Russia will be profitable and if Moldova had any brains they would stay neutral as energy supplies could continue to come from Russia making life easier for the people there... trade might help their economy too the way open free
trade with Russia was cut for the Ukraine and their economy suffered for that.

Romania and Hungary and other countries siding with Kiev should not be allowed to gain from their interference unless they want to refund the money stolen by the west and of course a few trillion in compensation for all the damage done and sleepless nights caused for Russia and new Russian territories ....and then they can talk about it for a decade or two... where Russia has no intention of agreeing but they don't need to know that... every few years Russia can claim they are not holding up their end of the agreement like a Minsk 4...  

BTW @Limb all those comments about sending stuff to the front line... buying drones commercially and sending them to the boys was a bit of a waste of time when they mention that HATO jamming equipment renders commercial store bought drones pretty much useless.

limb wrote:Ah yes, because "4 bradleys destroyed" konashenkov is such a reliable source.

I wont believe any claims unless photos like this destroyed russian smerch are provided

You can always go to a war zone and count the lost armored vehicles yourself, Karen. As for these "photos" - it takes less than an hour to make them and Photoshop knowledge at the level of the average user, you know, Karen.

By the way, so that there is no misunderstanding - I call you Karen simply because you behave like a typical Karen.

When I visited Moldova and Transnistria a number of years back, Moldova wasn't anti Russian as much as the west or their politicians make u think. There is pro Russian parties that do have support. Transnistria and Gagauzia are pro Russian for sure.

People often forget that majority of its trade was with Russia and ex soviet countries. Tobacco, fruit and wine. The Soviets loved Moldovan and Georgian wine and that continued after the fall of the Soviet Union. You will struggle to find wine from these countries in Europe and the UK. The wine I can say is really nice and I don't really drink wine. Majority Western nations populations haven't even heard of Moldova or couldn't even place it on the map. When sanctions hit Russia and Moldova was pushed to stop trading it suffered massively and farmers weren't allowed to sell to EU due to red tape so farmers didn't even bother to pick their crops and left it to rot or invited locals to pick and pay often at silly cheap prices.

Some but not all Moldovans are pro EU they like Ukraine believe the grass is greener on the other side mentality. Forgetting all the requirements, laws, red tape the EU brings, and majority of businesses wouldn't be able to meet the requirements and majority of the population wouldn't accept the laws they would have to adopt. Only a small number of the population want to be absorbed into Romania and the only reason they want that is to gain part of EU through a backdoor route nothing else. Most Moldovans want to remain independent.

As for remaining neutral that won't be an option Moldova being too small and having no regional power or clout against the west will be made to make a choice the west or Russia. If Russia doesn't take it what will happen is a full scale barrage of lies by the west. Once Russia takes Odessa and Transnistria and Gagauzia region, the west will make false promises to Russia that Russia is to not take Moldova and in return Moldova will remain neutral and no NATO forces, and of course if Russia agrees within months Moldova will have NATO forces stationed there along with missile defence shield, and bio labs set up, and add into the mix an aggressive anti Russian campaign which in turn will create neo Nazi groups and then u have a mini Ukraine. Russia is better to nip it in the bud now before giving NATO the chance to prepare this plan of theirs.

Ironic part of this story is that western teasing of ex-SovReps is nothing more than delusion.
None of them is needed in any way other than weakening Russia.

The whole concept of Ukrainian association with the EU was stopped by Yanuk not because he is so Russia lover, but because when the hard numbers were put on the table, it turned out that EU offered export quotas enough to cover a monthly Ukrainian output. A weekly, in some cases.

When Putin made it clear, that there is no option of opening Ukraine for subsidized EU products, while staying open for duty free trade with the whole of the economic union - the case was closed. Every single Ukrainian patriot would do the same as Yanuk. Economy, stupid!

Eactly the same applies to countries like Moldova or Georgia. None of those will be warmly welcomed, as the only product they have is a direct competitor for EU business.
Who will open the market for Moldovan and Georgian wines?
France? Italy? Spain? Portugal? Germany? Croatia? Bulgaria? Austria? Czech? They are all wine producers, very endemic.
Who will open the market for Borzoi mineral water?
France that operates own brands of luxury water business?

It was Russia and the whole union markets that absorbed the products of Moldova and Georgia, because the contacts were never cut off. Brands were known to the consumers. And local production was complementary to the Soviet times supply chain. Some of the products were simply not produced in other places, and had to be imported anyway.

An interesting memory flash. Before EU accession, wine variety in Poland was much, MUCH better than it is now.
And it is not a case that the number of wines was different, but the regions those were delivered from. The Bulgarian wine industry was represented by several different importers, and I can remember multiple products that are not available now. I could easily buy Romanian, Slovenian or Macedonian products. Now, sure you can find a single bottle of the origin, but en masse those have been replaced by bigger EU based players. Market share has been parceled among big retail businesses, that came along with own supply. Mostly endemic.
Pushing the association agenda is the biggest lie to those people, who really believe in that crapp while bombarded with propaganda.

Not buying it. That is too high. The BBC did internal investigations early in the war that were similar but still an overshoot to what the MOD was saying. Today they did a similar report and came up with 14,000. So its probably around 8- 10,000.
Ukraine and the US propaganda machine puts out completely asinine numbers for Russian casualties, to the point where the pro Russia side ends up over estimating them to come up with a number that seems more believable.

Well, actually it is not too high.
And surprisingly corresponds well with the same studies made for Ukrs.
For this moment, those BBC carried study with confirmed cases of dead ukrs ticks at 140+k level.
So if it is about 14k for Russian side, the proportion corresponds very well.
We have much more than 200k Ukrowehrmacht killed, with some 20+ Russian KIAs.

Don't fool yourself, it is bloody war for both sides.
10 times more for 404.
And all that blood covers the Anglo-Saxon greedy hands.

@FlammingPython and GarryB

1)On the topic of asymmetrical/counter escalation.
Well some of my ideas might be unworkable. But others I think are likely to find America/GATO's soft underbelly.

Russia's crucial error is that its former red lines were deleted... on multiple occasions, far too many infact.

Of course Russia could hit America/GATO in the way I mentioned. And America etc could hit back.
However some of these scenarios would cause far more harm to America than Russia.

AMerica is attacking Russia. But Russia is not attacking America. So America will inevitably hit Russia more... and harder! Russia's stance makes absolutely ZERO sense whatsoever. Its basically encouraging further attacks.

No, dedollarisation is NOT attacking America. Its simply showing freedom of choice and was inevitable when America attacked Russia. The level of control over the Pukraine by the US is like Russia taking over Puerto Rico and giving it nukes to fire at America.

2)Moving, on and looking at types of counter escalation. Well I suspect cyber attacks on the US would cause the US far more harm than similar ones to Russia. Imagine Yandex down vs Facebook, Twatter, Amazon, Google, Microsoft and a massive host of military, civil and other tech systems down in the US. It would be at a standstill pretty soon.
Russia might have some inconveniences too. But nowhere near the USA.

Ultimately the American public (and some politicians) might thing "this is stupid it is going nowhere, lets try and get an agreement with the Russians).

Its no different to the playground bully who eventually admits he doesn't look as clever when people hit back, and he's walking round with black eyes, or the fear of a proper battering.

3)Re a blockade. Well this IS a normal practice in wars.
A blockade of the Banderastani border will save many Ukrainian lives. No arms = no attacks.
Neutral countries could clear and check goods going into the Pukraine. Better still send them via Western Belarus or via Transnistria, with buffer zones on the Hohol side.

The alternative is the Nazi/Fascist war machine keeps killing and perhaps, even keeps growing.
Makes perfect sense to me. And its only what Uncle Satan does with its navy WITHOUT even allowing neutral inspections.

Looks like Nazi-Germany but happened in Canada. The sons and daughters of these people came back to "Ukraine" after 1991
and helped to create "democracy".

Gunner with a special spotter

Russia's crucial error is that its former red lines were deleted

The only red line that mattered was Ukraine in NATO. Russia reacted with the SMO.
As Mercouris stated in one of the last Duran episodes, all other "crossings" of red lines
are just provocations do distract Russia from the most important thing: cleaning house
in 404.

The main reaction to all those provocations is what Putin, Lavrov and Medvedev mentioned
in the last days: We will go further and further west, even to the polish border. This will inflict
more pain on the west than cutting some internet cable as revenge for NS.

One sideshow that will continue (as little punishment): the French will be thrown out of Africa. 

Pushilin announced the opportunity to compress the ring around Artemovsk, 02.27.2023.

The head of the DPR Pushilin: Artemovsk has favorable circumstances for the encirclement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

MOSCOW, February 27 - RIA Novosti. Favorable circumstances have appeared for encircling the enemy in Artemovsk, Denis Pushilin, acting head of the Donetsk People's Republic, said on the air of the Russia 24 TV channel.

"Over the past few days, we have seen changes, quite significant, in the framework of the liberation operation. This is the Artyomovsk direction, which is in the center of attention now," he said.

The liberation of Yagodny and Berkhovka by the forces of the Wagner Group made it possible to reach Khromovo and the village of Bogdanovka, Pushilin explained. This creates "fortunate circumstances for encircling the enemy and compressing the ring."

In addition, the undermining of the dam by Ukrainian troops will not affect the advancement of Russian units in Artemovsk, the acting head of the DPR emphasized.

“We fix that just for those enemy units that are concentrated in the northern part of the city, difficulties are created here. northern part have increased significantly," the head of the region concluded.

As Pushilin's adviser Igor Kimakovsky reported earlier today, the advanced detachments of the Wagner Group are already fighting almost in the center of the city.

Artyomovsk is located in the Kiev -controlled part of the DPR, north of the large city of Gorlovka , and is an important transport hub for supplying the Ukrainian group of troops in the Donbass . Fierce battles are going on for the city.

https://ria.ru/20230227/artemovsk-1854559659.html