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    Post  Backman 28/02/23, 07:05 pm

    The fact that he didn't delete the Che Guevara pics from his Facebook before joining that Ukronazi outfit show that his plan wasn't particularly well thought-out, if he actually had this plan back then that is.
    He'll need to get more serious about things now though; he's now a target.

    He's crazy. It was all just a fluke that he survived.

    He will probably get the Snowden treatment and stay in Russia. I cant see much other choice for him. Russia does owe him some level of protection I think. If not then in doesnt encourage anyone else to defect

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    Post  billybatts91 28/02/23, 07:45 pm

    Gotta be careful....this American who "defected" could be a triple agent...you never know. I wouldn't want anything to do with him. I'd ship his ass back to America, where he belongs...Russia shouldn't trust any of these people. This guy fought for Ukraine and could've died at any moment...yet we're supposed to believe because he somehow just survived through sheer luck he was actually just working to help the Russians? I think this dude got cold feet and doesn't want to fight anymore or is a triple agent...pretending to have defected. I doubt he had a master plan and is pro-Russian all of a sudden...I think he's full of it and he should be deported ASAP!
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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug 28/02/23, 08:32 pm

    Seems like a dodgy character, yes. But they'll probably keep an eye on him.

    If his story checks out, and intel he is said to have brought can be verified, I mean, sure.

    War attracts all kinds of weird people.

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    Post  flamming_python 28/02/23, 08:48 pm

    Gotta be careful....this American who "defected" could be a triple agent...you never know. I wouldn't want anything to do with him. I'd ship his ass back to America, where he belongs...Russia shouldn't trust any of these people. This guy fought for Ukraine and could've died at any moment...yet we're supposed to believe because he somehow just survived through sheer luck he was actually just working to help the Russians? I think this dude got cold feet and doesn't want to fight anymore or is a triple agent...pretending to have defected. I doubt he had a master plan and is pro-Russian all of a sudden...I think he's full of it and he should be deported ASAP!

    Whoever he is, he can do no harm in Russia so long as no-one trusts him with any military or state secrets of their own.
    On the contrary, there is no gain in deporting him, given that he does seem to have come with some documents and testimoney

    I believe he defected for real though. I can't see what the Ukrainians would hope to gain through some kind of pretend-whistleblower in Russia.

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    Post  Regular 28/02/23, 09:50 pm

    Most likely just clueless foreigner who saw real face of Ukrainians and decided to run away. I don't buy spying as it makes no sense.

    A communist... Quaker From Texas.. With a bible... Pro-Biden.. Served as US marine... Yet served for two years (hmm I wonder how long contracts last in Pindos army) and in UCP camo, not marine.  Laughing
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    Good for him not to die, but now good luck starting your life in Russia and no one will let him close to any weapons. He just became person non-grata in his own country.

    I hope he knows that
    Ukrainians post their warcrimes online
    Ukrainians are openly nazi
    Ukrainians themselves claim that weaponry missing, hence why so many military heads changed, but they still can't control it
    Russia has HUMIT everyfuckingwhere, especially in the Ukr government


    It's not like some foreign cannon fodder (even tier 1 specialists are just that) knows anything of value
    All I hope it will show some idiots that it's pointless to go there whatever the cause


    Gotta be careful....this American who "defected" could be a triple agent...you never know.

    Yes, because Russian security agency will be taking him to Putin and showing him Su-57 blueprints. He is not Snowden and will be just a civilian on visitor permit in Russia until he gets his passport.

    I would suggest him to contact Justus Walker, another religious US expat and amazing farmer (his Russian is better than mine!) living in Russia and he might have give him advice

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug 28/02/23, 10:14 pm

    Do Quakers typically help each other out? There are a bunch in Moscow.

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    Post  Regular 28/02/23, 10:23 pm

    I think they do, but then again, what quacker is he if he broke their pacifist principle? Served in the US military and went to war.

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    Post  Tolstoy 28/02/23, 10:30 pm

    GarryB wrote:The problem really is to damage the US directly and those driving all this bullshit, but not in a way they will respond to it by escalating further.
    Until Russia finds a way to take this war right inside continental USA in one form or the other, the war in Ukraine will not come to an end.

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    Post  Erk 28/02/23, 11:15 pm

    Tolstoy wrote:
    Until Russia finds a way to take this war right inside continental USA in one form or the other, the war in Ukraine will not come to an end.

    Russia is doing that.
    Not with guns and tanks.

    To win the war you have to convince countries to stop using the US dollar and the Euro, that's what is funding the war.

    Read here: https://thesaker.is/the-stage-is-set-for-hybrid-world-war-iii/

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    Post  ALAMO 28/02/23, 11:19 pm

    The thing that flashed yesterday, but I can't find it now.
    A film made in UVZ from the production lines.
    Did you record that?
    So in a case, if someone is not familiar with the factory production :

    The film is speeded up by some factor, yet you can clearly see how the tank hulls are moving forward in a time sequence.
    This time sequence is about equal for each piece, as each piece gets the same procedures at the point.
    And at the end, this is the rate at which the newly produced tanks are being pumped out from a production line.

    As you can see, it is a hardly overcrowded or speedy production rate, lines are not overcrowded.
    People are hanging around, and obviously, some optimization would be useful there Laughing

    It is hard to judge how fast is the film. Is it x10 or x20, yet it is not much relevant. This one line is capable of pushing a few new tanks each day for sure, without much overstress.
    And that is only one of the lines they have there.
    And that is only one of the factories they have there.

    Edit : seems like S-60 AA guns are getting more and more widely used. I guess that is a part of a warehouse cleaning before new 57mm ammo for new guns and vehicles will arrive.
    From the Ugledar direction, it seems that both the accuracy and the ammo effectiveness are disputable.
    The case might be the guns wore up and the ammo storage time - doesn't smell vanilla fresh for sure.

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    https://t.me/intelslava/45240

    Yet, there are millions of those ready to fire occupying the space, so why not spread some of them over the ukro heads.

    And the whole concept is not bad at all. They can reach up to 8km with it, at an impressive suppression rate. Very mobile.

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    I guess that with a good-condition gun and better-stored ammo, they can hit a bullseye with that. Guns were known for very good accuracy for decades.

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    Post  Mir 28/02/23, 11:31 pm

    Arch wrote:First off, the VKS does not have many planes, so attrition cannot work for the VKS the same as it works for the army

    Finally someone has figured it out! cheers

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    Post  Mir 28/02/23, 11:31 pm

    Backman wrote:Those are PLZ-05 howitzers of 152 mm caliber, which are the full analogues of the Russian 2S19, and the Chinese AR1A MLRSs, the analogue of the Russian Smerch MLRSs. Zhu Shufang recalls that it was here that high-ranking Russian servicemen came 8 days ago.

    If China wants to send artillery pieces to Russia they should get the caliber right first! Laughing

    For starters the PLZ-05 is not anywhere near a 2S19 analogue!? It is also a 155mm NATO standard caliber and not a 152mm.
    The AR1A MLRS is a heavily modified/modernized copy of the Smerch and shares the same 300mm caliber but the true Chinese analogue to the Smerch is the PHL-103.

    Smells like a lot of BS to me scratch

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    Post  ALAMO 28/02/23, 11:41 pm

    Smells like a lot of BS to me scratch

    But you are perfectly aware of how it works.
    They are spreading the whole area with figured out bullshit.
    The things proven wrong are being forgotten then.
    Accidentally hits are being presented as prophecies later.

    China has tons of Soviet ammo and guns, and obviously can supply if asked.
    Yet knowing the types would require some more detailed knowledge.

    I was watching professor Jeffrey Sachs performing at UN Security Council.



    As long as he is doing his usual blah blah blah, things are fine. But if only touching the technicals, it gets hilarious. Like describing the NS construction, that has nothing to do with reality. No idea where he found that. He is wrong in all the details.

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    Post  Regular 01/03/23, 12:07 am

    Mir wrote:For starters the PLZ-05 is not anywhere near a 2S19 analogue!?

    Why is that? What advantages 2S19 Msta has over PLZ-05? On paper PLZ-05 does look bit more advanced - it's a newer system, but still untested while Msta has proven itself.
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    Post  ALAMO 01/03/23, 12:16 am

    You didn't get the point.
    PLZ-05 is not copied MSTA but a whole different gun using different ammo.
    Useless for Russia.
    It is NOT a MSTA analogue.

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    Post  Regular 01/03/23, 12:39 am

    Yes, makes no sense for Russia. There is no shortage nor need to fill the gap.

    I would think that loitering munitions would be more of an interest for Russia. They don't need much maintenance or logistics, they don't put crews at the risk, Chinese would also be willing to do a test run of advanced systems, especially against western equipment and jamming. It would fill the niche and Russia already has operational know-how.

    Parity in artillery can stay as it is now. I am not saying Chinese will the war for Russia, but I am saying that drones are never enough and would give new Wehrmacht larper tankers to regret their profession.
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    Post  ALAMO 01/03/23, 01:07 am

    There are tons of things the Chinese can supply without disrupting Russian logistics.
    Ammunition would be one for sure, if needed - but I hardly believe it is.
    But drones, night vision, thermal cameras, body armor, helmets, or uniforms - all of that can make the life of Russian MIC much easier.
    That is one of the reasons I find utterly stupid the rage of some of you towards a guy who is delivering Chinese uniforms to the Russian army.
    Even if he just transfers the invoices, he still resolves one of the problems.
    From Chinese perspective, they can't allow Russia to fail.
    Because of multiple reasons, and the politics is only one part of it.
    The lease of land in 404 was one of the Chinese strategic moves toward securing the food supply for its own citizens.
    It is not some stupid game for a stupid prize, but the principal need of a nation.
    They have already secured land in Africa, but that won't be enough for 1.3bln.
    2014 coup and the following American business offensive destroyed those plans.
    Along with multiple industrial projects, Motor Sich is only the tip of the iceberg.
    It is a Chinese business to back Russia in the struggle.
    And Russia has multiple carrots to give the Chinese to encourage them.

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    Post  Regular 01/03/23, 01:47 am

    ALAMO wrote:That is one of the reasons I find utterly stupid the rage of some of you towards a guy who is delivering Chinese uniforms to the Russian army.

    Regarding uniforms, you missed the point. The issue was not with the Chinese uniforms or plates/helmets, but rather the exorbitant price charged by someone's child due to nepotism and corruption. This concern was raised by prominent figures in Russian society, not just a few individuals.

    Several western myths need to be dispelled, such as the belief that Russians are quiet and passive. They openly express their complaints and are well-informed. The corruption of the 90s and the Yeltsinisms can no longer exist because society will simply not stomach it.

    Do you know who is mostly pissed about these uniforms? SPLAV and ANA guys, for obvious reasons of course Smile

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    Post  JohninMK 01/03/23, 01:47 am

    The lease of land in 404 was one of the Chinese strategic moves toward securing the food supply for its own citizens.

    Interesting point, also their plan for a deep water container port on Crimea. Whilst the need for the port, to link into an about to be reduced EU need for Chinese goods, is probably no longer there, the need for food is.

    Russia doesn't really need the food output capacity they now have in what was Ukraine so it will make sense for the new owners of that land to tap into Chinese capital to renovate that land (remove mines and shells etc and flatern it) and lease it to the Chinese as well as get them to upgrade grain ports, railways etc.

    There was a photo a couple of days ago here of a Russian soldier standing in a 1.5m deep trench. What got me about it was that it was in topsoil from top to bottom. Around here and I'm on alluvial (river valley) land its 30cm at best. Amazing, no wonder its reputation as the best in the World.

    A marriage made in heaven Smile

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    Post  ALAMO 01/03/23, 01:50 am

    Regarding uniforms, you missed the point.

    A band of jealous Besserwiessers that would have done everything better, cheaper, and faster is not a "point".
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    Post  PapaDragon 01/03/23, 01:55 am

    jhelb wrote:The best possible step that Putin can take is to eliminate Sunaak.

    Man, I can't even begin to imagine how much the fact that Indian is ruling over UK is pissing you off lol1

    Sorry to break it to you but nobody will be killing Sunaak least off all Putin

    He will be ruling for quite a long time Razz

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    Post  PapaDragon 01/03/23, 02:05 am

    Belisarius wrote:...ignore the shitload of videos where they hide behind civilians so they don't get bombed to shit by VKS:

    Is this supposed to be VKS' excuse from not doing their job?

    In my line of work it's called "dog ate my homework" excuse and it doesn't fly (same as VKS apparently)

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    Post  PapaDragon 01/03/23, 02:24 am

    ALAMO wrote:There are tons of things the Chinese can supply without disrupting Russian logistics.
    Ammunition would be one for sure, if needed - but I hardly believe it is.


    But drones, night vision, thermal cameras, body armor, helmets, or uniforms - all of that can make the life of Russian MIC much easier....


    You mean all the bare basic stuff that Russian MoD should have provided their troops with long ago?  Rolling Eyes

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    Post  ALAMO 01/03/23, 02:43 am

    Sometimes you really should consider thinking for a moment before typing. But that is only friendly advice, no need to follow of course ...

    Yes, all that basic stuff that every MoD is providing to its own troops. On a regular basis.
    All that basic stuff that worns out at an increased rate while on war, and required intense replacement.
    All that basic stuff, which is being provided from different sources.
    In tenders. You know what a tender is, right?
    Army is purchasing compasses using public offerings. Uniforms. Food containers. Canned meat. A fukin' tea bags.
    Even in Serbia I believe, and for sure in Russia.
    All of that must be sourced and supplied.
    Constantly&continously.
    You don't stock two years of war usage number, my fellow Serbian pocket Napoleon.

    And is being sourced from all possible directions, especially while at war.
    In the times of WW2, a tiny Mongolia saved the arses of tens of thousands of Soviet troops, by supplying fur coats and winter clothes.

    Back in Spring 2022, China announced that is banning the export of drones to the military zone. Ban was supposed to apply to both sides.
    Yet, accidentally of course, for a whole second half of 2022, it was Ukrs who was constantly whining about the lack of drones.
    And calling the increased number of Russian drones overhead.
    Now, just by watching the provided materials, it is getting clear that while Russkie are using tons of commercial and inexpensive drones, fr the Ukrs the share of manufactory made caveman level pieces are increasing.

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