Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39

Geroman
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BREAKING!
The Ukrainian garrison in Bakhmut is seeking permission to retreat from the city.

It is reported from the field that nationalist formations, as well as special forces units of the SBU and National Guard of Ukraine, have been asking the command in Kyiv for permission to retreat from Artyomovsk (Bakhmut) since the evening of March 2.

According to the @milchronicles, the "orchestra"(PMC Wagner) came close to the Khromovo-Chasov Yar highway, and in a few days the encirclement around Artemovsk could close. Units and formations of the 93rd mechanized brigade and the 49th battalion, "Carpathian Sich," remain inside the city blocks.

Parts of the 125th and 241st territorial defense brigades, the 214th OPFOR battalion, and other formations with a total strength of about 18 thousand people were thrown to the front line of defense.

I think the real solution to this conflict is to take a map showing everything of value in the former Ukraine... the best soils, the coal, the titanium, the lithium and the rare earth minerals etc etc and map them out and then attack and occupy those areas, or hammer all the resources on those areas for extraction of those resources.

Once US companies realise they are not going to get to keep the things they think they bought from Kiev then the rich in the US might give up trying to rescue it.

When the US government realises everything of value in the Ukraine will be lost to either Russia or independent states that will be barred from trading with the EU and US then this conflict will continue.

This is about resources and always was... same with Iraq and Syria and Afghanistan and Libya... the trying to kill the regime in charge at the time was just an added perk as far as they were concerned.

The Ukraine doesn't need industries in any case and it's potential threat to Russia is not measured in that, but is rather on the one hand measured in the influence and reach of radicals there and the total population they have access to brainwashing and forcibly conscripting, and on the other hand measured in their proximity to Russian borders.
As for industry; the West will supply them with whatever war-materials, equipment, technology as well as finances that they need. You can be sure of that. All the Ukraine has to do is supply the people.

The proximity to Russian borders is not possible to resolve trivially, as whatever Russia annexes becomes Russian territory too, which has to be invested in and developed; yet the Ukraine will still be next door.
I don't much believe in the idea of gaining more depth, or shrinking the length of the border; these things won't help much. The only real solution is to annex everything. Which sure, is one way to do it, and it might be the only option if things continue indefinitely as they do currently.

The other solution is as hinted at earlier - limiting the influence and reach of radicals both in the territories Russia annexed and in the territories that will be left outside of Russian control.
The main priority here is in delegitimizing the Banderites and their methods; as happened eventually in the Chechen case as the separatists merged with Islamic terrorists and a succession of extremists started to dominate events. But even this was only after some truly barbaric atrocities as well as years of peaceful development following.
The priority also lies in wresting the Ukraine from an alliance with Western powers. NATO's own callousness and willingness to sacrifice Ukrainians can help here. For this, people need to emerge in the Ukraine that will be ready to challenge the Zelensky regime, perhaps from among those currently part of the regime but who will be ready to undermine their own leaders. Russia can work with these people, and facilitate them in taking control over Ukrainian territory.

I am excited to see what the army will look like after reorganization - if the mobilization happened around fall / winter and we are about 4 to 6 months after mobilizing

Then I would think the latest training and organizational groupings will result in a much different army performance than the one we saw staffed with BTG and contract soldiers only

I think the real solution to this conflict is to take a map showing everything of value in the former Ukraine... the best soils, the coal, the titanium, the lithium and the rare earth minerals etc etc and map them out and then attack and occupy those areas, or hammer all the resources on those areas for extraction of those resources.

Once US companies realise they are not going to get to keep the things they think they bought from Kiev then the rich in the US might give up trying to rescue it.

When the US government realises everything of value in the Ukraine will be lost to either Russia or independent states that will be barred from trading with the EU and US then this conflict will continue.

This is about resources and always was... same with Iraq and Syria and Afghanistan and Libya... the trying to kill the regime in charge at the time was just an added perk as far as they were concerned.

I'd say the opposite

The resources were the perk, and allowed them to compensate at least part of what they had expended on a given war

But the game itself was always the grand chessboard. American generals admitted as much. Taking the Middle East so that Russia or China doesn't have access to it. Taking Afghanistan to surround Iran and to have a springboard to Central Asia. Taking Libya to getting rid of a potential nuisance in the form of Gaddafi who was situated at NATO's weaker flanks, and killing off his African-currency idea and the rest of it. Taking Yugoslavia to secure the remainder of Europe and prevent anyone from challenging the West in the Balkans.

In Syria Trump even used the excuse of going after Syrian oil when he ordered troops to reoccupy part of Syria under pressure from the globalist establishment, after earlier having ordered them out by mutual agreement with Erdogan. The US didn't need that oil themselves, what they needed was to deny it to the Syrian govt, as well as preserve a presence in the Kurdish-populated north-east of the country so as to be able to maintain a lever of pressure on Turkey.

R_R wrote:if the Baltic statelets really do this, they have signed their end.

Bush had much less justification to attack Iraq and Afghanistan than Russia would have if the Baltic statelets (or even Finland) starts to play dirty games.

I hope you are right but I personally think it's "game on" - These Chihuahuas are extremely vocal in their support for 404 - they are constantly making aggressive speeches toward the Russians. They obviously feel very brave with "Big Brother" covering their backs

They are Nazis and they despise Putin and everything "Russian".

From sputnik via MoA poster

the interesting bit is everyone seems to know about the Transnistria invasion plans.

DONETSK (Sputnik) - A base of Ukrainian submariners in the city of Nikolaev, where UK military instructors had been preparing drones for attacks on Russia's military ships, has been destroyed by the Russian military, a member of local resistance in Nikolaev has told Sputnik.

"We have done a little work and learned that the Nazis had decided to establish a submarine sabotage unit on our island of Maisky," the resistance fighter said in a video sent to Sputnik. "British instructors had been sent there to train how to use underwater drones. We passed the coordinates of this training base to the proper place, and the Russians hit the target on February 25."

He said the explosion was very powerful and was "detonating for a long time," adding that the ammunition warehouse had been completely destroyed, and many premises of the base had been flooded.

According to the fighter, the underwater drones had been being prepared for an operation related to alleged Kiev's attack on Transnistria. "These were to attack Russian ships in the Black Sea near Odessa and at the base in Sevastopol during an attack on Transnistria," he said.

Training Ukrainian soldiers in Germany : anti-aircraft training in the forest -- for the war in Ukraine/B>

3. März 2023 um 06:00 Uhr

Air defense is considered one of the most important means in Ukraine's defensive struggle against the Russian aggressors. Visiting Ukrainian soldiers currently being trained in Germany on the "Iris-T" air defense system

…“At one table sit three Ukrainian air force officers: Mychailo, Anatolii and Dmytro. They have one "Iris-T" system so far in their country, which is two and a half times larger than Germany, from which it follows: The airspace is also two and a half times larger. They would need at least twelve "Iris-T" systems to turn this war around, Mychailo says. He talks about the "high motivation" of the Ukrainian army. "We don't have internal leadership, we have internal forces," he says, alluding to a principle of the Bundeswehr: Innere Führung.

Russia, the aggressor, has a "poorly motivated army," the weapons systems are outdated, and the tactics date from the World War II era. "Iris-T" is four times faster than a comparable Russian system, he said. "We are strong. A hundred times stronger than Putin thought," who believed he could overrun Ukraine in three days.

What's good about Germany? "It's very pleasant to sleep for eight hours," Mychailo says. But they are "not here as tourists"; rather, "we have a mission here: to learn and get back as soon as possible."

Assuming Ukraine and Russia were two soccer teams, how would things currently stand in such an endgame for the country's existence? "The ball is in our half, but we are now going forward, on the offensive. We are winning," says Anatolii.

Recently, during their weeks in Germany, they heard a fire alarm, a siren, like an air alarm in Ukraine. But it was just the fire department, not an approaching missile. "Talking is much easier than fighting," Mychailo says at the end of the conversation. He wants to get out of the forest in Germany quickly, back to Ukraine. To fight. And win.

Source and full post here:

https://www.saarbruecker-zeitung.de/nachrichten/politik/inland/ausbildung-ukrainischer-soldaten-in-deutschland_aid-85946759

@Regular:
"I am talking about killing the retreating troops, especially the quality ones. Run another Ilovaisk after another.

And depletion? It affects Russia too. More and more of this will lead to mutual exhaustion and then long operational pauses to reconstitute the forces. Best depletion is destruction."

Sun Zu once said; Leave always escape route for the enemy. If cornered, it will fight feriously untill the end.

At this point one of the goals is to liberate also DNR, even though most important task is to demilitarisize and denatsify.

They would need at least twelve "Iris-T" systems to turn this war around, Mychailo says

Is he sure?

Maybe they can make do with 8 instead?

From MoA

Military Chronicle has this (via Firefox Translate add-on):

AFU lost a battalion of soldiers in Artemivsk due to fire on their own: details
From February 27 to March 3, units of four large formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of Artemivsk (Bakhmut) — the 61st Infantry Brigade, the 8th operational regiment, the 57th motorized infantry brigade and the 125th territorial defense Brigade-lost about 600 people killed and wounded.
According to the Military Chronicle, most of the irretrievable losses in killed and wounded were recorded in the units of the 61st Infantry and 57th motorized infantry brigades defending the northern suburbs of Artemovsk in the area of Grigorovka, Kalinovka and Orekhovo-Vasilevka.

According to preliminary data , during the last day of February and the first three days of March, when trying to retreat from previously occupied positions, the units of these formations failed to correct and coordinate the fire of the M777 155 mm howitzers of the 43rd artillery brigade in Chas Yar. Due to confusion in movements and unstable radio communications, the units were repeatedly caught in the crossfire of Ukrainian and Russian artillery.

Units of the 8th operational regiment were sent to the line of engagement to clarify the situation and direct the AFU artillery, but when approaching the destination, the column fell under the artillery strike of Hyacinth-S and D-20 guns of 152 mm caliber and was destroyed. According to preliminary data, the total losses of the units could amount to 560-590 people, which is equal to the number of a full-fledged military battalion armed with dozens of pieces of equipment.

Presumably, one of the reasons for the death of servicemen of the units of the 61st Infantry Brigade, the 8th operational regiment, the 57th motorized infantry brigade and the 125th territorial defense brigade could be the lack of a "friend — foe"identification system. According to incoming information, as one of the reasons for the death of divisions Due to confusion during regrouping and maneuvers, the brigade command is considering a version with the operation of Russian electronic warfare systems. (Military chronicle of TG)

https://voenhronika.ru/publ/vojna_na_ukraine/03_03_2023_ehksternnye_novosti_vojny_na_ukraine_srochnoe_zajavlenie_prigozhina_po_obtanovke_v_bakhmute_artemovske_karta_boevykh_dejstvij_15_video/60-1-0-13705

Evidently those kraut vermin learnt absolutely nothing in 1945 and onwards.
If a nuke landed on Berlin, it might actually finally teach these pieces of shit a lesson.



You are expecting to much of brains in a country where none exist.
Like I said, the germans are just as the Ukrops deep down in the arse of the antirussian propaganda. They will fear and hate at the same time. They will learn nothing but will show their true colors.

You can see the german racism and supremacy believes when working with them. They still believe they are intellectually above everyone.

I think tactical nukes are not off the table.

Geroman
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The armed forces of Ukraine started blowing up bridges in Artemovsk : What is it about?

This is how the Ukrainian troops are trying to slow down the advance of the Russian Armed Forces inside the city blocks along the central streets.

According to preliminary reports, explosions destroyed a bridge over the Bakhmutka River in the northeastern part of Artemivsk, as well as a road bridge over a canal in the northwest of the city that connected the city to the outskirts—Chasov Yar, Bogdanovka, and Kalinovka.

The reason for the bombing of the bridges might have been fears that Russian Armed Forces units were planning to seize arsenals containing weapons from several large Ukrainian army units defending the city.

According to preliminary information, these armaments have been stationed in the industrial zone of the Tsvetmet plant (BZOTSM), the trolleybus depot, and the electrical engineering plant since the start of the special military operation.
@rt_russian

"They're preparing a big cauldron." What's Happening on the Front Line, by Andrey Kots for RIANOVOSTI. 03.03.2023.

The parties to the conflict did not dare to launch a major winter offensive. The contact line is stable. However, there are big changes in some areas. Which ones - in the material RIA Novosti.

To cut in half

Parts of the Western and Central military districts continue to methodically push through the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the Kremennaya-Svatovo line. The Russian army has chosen the tactics of active defense. Troops dig in, fortify, mask positions and wait for an attack. Having beaten it off, they counterattack - they occupy forest plantations, heights, strong points. The progress is slow but steady.

For Russia, this frontier is a springboard for the return of the territories of the Kharkov region, lost in the fall. For Ukraine, it is the starting point for an attack on the LPR from the northwest.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine want to capture Svatovo, a major transport hub, and disrupt the supply of the Russian group. Then the road to Severodonetsk, Lisichansk, Rubezhnoye and Starobelsk will open.

“We are watching the concentration of their forces on the other side of the front line,” says an officer of the 2nd Army Corps with the call sign Lyuty. “They are actively transferring equipment at night, both to our direction and to the south, near Artemovsk. We don't expect any decisive action at the moment. The initiative is completely on our side. The VE troops have much less artillery here. It is clear that they are saving ammunition. Soon they will fall into the boiler."

The LPR has a powerful defense in depth, which has been hastily created since October-November. It will definitely not work to break through it with a swoop, even with the help of Western heavy armored vehicles.

In addition, the fighters of the Western Military District and the Central Military District, fighting in this direction, have mastered the reconnaissance and strike circuit: artillery hits targets almost immediately after being detected.

Fragile Supply

Significant progress and to the south. The situation of the Ukrainian garrison in Artemovsk, numbering up to 50 thousand bayonets, is close to critical. To the north of the city, Russian units occupied Berkhovka and Yagodnoye, physically cutting the road to Slavyansk. The road to Chasov Yar, the only one connecting the besieged group with the rear, is a little more than a kilometer away.

When they cut it too, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have only two options: capitulate or go for a breakthrough. They are trying to supply the garrison on primers. However, they will soon become impassable due to the spring thaw.

Assault units entrenched themselves within the city, in the east and north. In particular, they liberated the Stupka area and went to Ilyinovka.

In the south of Artemovsk, they occupied strongholds in the Budenovka area. They come to the AZOM plant.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are betting on the defense of the western districts of the city, the main forces are concentrated there. The most serious positions are near the village of Khromovo.

In addition, according to intelligence reports, a significant amount of rocket artillery was transferred to Chasov Yar recently. It is possible that with the task of covering the withdrawal from Artemovsk.

Artillery terror

On the Donetsk direction without any changes. Heavy fighting continues in Marinka. The line of contact runs along Druzhby Avenue, which divides the settlement in half. AFU occupy part of the central regions and western.

It is very difficult to move forward here - it is, in fact, an impregnable fortress. Scouts, snipers and grenade launchers who have settled on the upper floors of high-rise buildings create big problems for assault groups.

Russian units, with the support of aviation and artillery, are advancing on Pervomaiskoye from Peski and Vodyany. From Experienced they went to the southern outskirts of Avdiivka, but the Avdiivka fortified area itself has not yet been attacked.

A little to the north, there is movement to Kamenka in order to cut the H-20 highway, along which a significant part of the Ukrainian group is supplied. Artillery hits positions in Krasnogorovka, Netaylovo, Orlovka and Vesele.

In Ugledar - positional battles on the outskirts. Marines from the 40th and 155th brigades of the Pacific Fleet are fixed in the area of ​​suburban dachas. DPR intelligence notes that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are actively deploying reinforcements here. Perhaps they will decide to attack Volnovakha in order to cut off Donetsk from Mariupol.

In January, the southern, Zaporizhia direction became more active. Fighting - almost along the entire line of contact. The main sections are near the cities of Orekhov and Gulyaipole. Taking these settlements under control will significantly shift the front line to the north. The Zaporozhye region is predominantly flat - the loss of even one city will make a big gap in the defense line of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The Kiev regime chose the tactics of artillery terror in this direction.

"The intensity of the shelling has increased," notes Vladimir Rogov, a member of the main council of the regional administration.

Rogov stressed that Kyiv wants to cut the land corridor to the Crimea and the Kherson region. Probably, Tokmak will take the first blow. Then - an attack on Melitopol and Berdyansk. The Russian military is aware of these plans - several lines of echeloned defense have been erected in the region.

https://ria.ru/20230303/obstanovka-1855409786.html

To be fair to the Germans, they never got liberated from the Nazis after WWII. The US laundered "ex-Nazis" back into power. This was
a large scale effort since they also secured all the Banderite vermin as well. It is clear to anyone with a functional brain that the US
war effort in Europe was wait and see how well the Nazis destroy the USSR. The bombing that is touted as being so important did
not grind down the German military production and somehow the rail lines to the death camps never got hit. The scramble for Berlin
in the last 11 months (where the US actually committed troops on the ground) was clearly an attempt to prevent the USSR from rolling
across all of Europe.

A russian plane crashed.

the units of these formations failed to correct and coordinate the fire of the M777 155 mm howitzers of the 43rd artillery brigade in Chas Yar. Due to confusion in movements and unstable radio communications, the units were repeatedly caught in the crossfire of Ukrainian and Russian artillery.

lack of a "friend — foe"identification system. According to incoming information, as one of the reasons for the death of divisions Due to confusion during regrouping and maneuvers,

I've never bought into this idea that Ukraine has good/superior Nato communications systems/navigation/intel and all that bullshit that is a popular trope in Russian military blogger circles.

Glaring mistakes like this by Ukraine are overlooked by Russian bloggers because they are too busy whining about their own far smaller mistakes. Of the whole shitshow since the start of the SMO, how many times have the Russians incidentally wiped themselves out? I don't recall one seriously high profile friendly fire incident.

In addition, the fighters of the Western Military District and the Central Military District, fighting in this direction, have mastered the reconnaissance and strike circuit: artillery hits targets almost immediately after being detected.

Yeah and this doesn't sound like the artillery barrages only by grid-squares that all the doomers were whining about last year

Does the loss of Bakhmut mean withdrawal to Slovyansk-Kramatorsk line?