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    Post  mnztr Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:36 am

    man the shrapnel from that mortar is pretty nasty. Its was not more then a 60mm mortar and it had a pretty huge lethal radius. OMG!!! War is hell folks. *uck me!!!
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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:34 am

    I'm kinda feel bad now to those Ukrainian soldiers defending a building or area that being targeted by Tyulpan.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:07 am

    if Russia allows them to move artillery that close in volume then that is already incompetence.

    Russia has no control over what Kiev might or might not want to do... if they launch attacks and start firing rocket artillery from random locations to support those attacks there is not very much Russia can do except destroy the attacking troops and hunt down the enemy artillery.

    If it was easy to eliminate then I would say if they didn't then that could be incompetence, but it is not... artillery generally does not reveal itself until it opens fire.

    Of course from past experience they can make judgement calls... if they leave their own dead and wounded on the battlefield but seem to have enormous numbers of school buses and ambulances near the front line I would think it is an indication that they are not following the rules of war... why would they start now?

    Should Russia destroy the school buses and risk hitting one filled with children being evacuated?

    It is a call they have to make but they are going to be blamed for killing children one way or another anyway.

    The point is that I don't think they care what western media makes of what happens... they just don't want to risk killing children because they are human beings rather than the total censored on the other side.

    mercs are fighting under the Ukrainian flag, surely you know the difference. Yes US troops will NOT fire on Russian troops or planes inn Syria unless they directly attack US assets. There was a whole deconfliction process set up to manage this.

    HATO cannot accept the invited in excuse for being there because Russia can say that the Crimean people invited them in and the people of the four new Russian regions also invited them in so all these claims of Russian invasion and Russian aggression by the west would have to stop.

    I don't think they want to go that path.

    Without a UNSC agreement then peacekeepers are not peacekeepers... they are a party to the conflict and therefore also fair game if both sides do not agree to their presence.

    Russian forces in Ukraine have been developing an extensive series of defensive fortifications a few kilometres behind the current frontline.

    They are shown below, overlaid on the latest frontline map.

    Excellent work by @bradyafr
    in identifying and mapping the fortifications.

    And who would be interesting in creating such a map of Russian defences and publishing them on the internet?

    What value does such a map have?

    What damage could such a map achieve?

    Russia should develop a hand held loitering drone or small ground radar unit that can watch over the heads of small troop concetrations. Something that would fit in a backpack.

    You could make a hydrogen balloon that could use a small fuel cell and a power bank and fresh water to fill the balloon with hydrogen to carry a small drone in the air on a tether so you don't lose it... no need for flight controls... just control the cameras on the drone... you could fit two where one camera can be controlled by the controllers camera controllers and the other camera can be controlled by the flight controls.

    Ukraine cant build buk missiles. Is there mfg'ers outside of Ukraine for them?

    They likely just got lots of them from Finland who used to operate BUK.

    They could get some missiles from Finland, and for sure used to have the base for rep/mod, as they modernized Georgian ones.

    Ironic that former neutral Finland is probably supplying them to Kiev, while Georgia publicly refused to supply weapons to Kiev... they probably fear the US trying to get them to become a second front... and justifiably so... if the US could I am sure they would...

    Ukrainian MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters on one of the roads used as an airport.

    Ironically something they wont be able to do with F-16s.

    So they weren't directly hit by the projectile, and from the video, it seemed far enough to cause any serious injuries, or is the projectile designed to release a sort of fragmentation blast which killed the three even from a distance?

    The puff of smoke is the explosive going off, what you can't see is the metal fragments radiating out from the impact point that kills the enemy.

    They might be playing possum, but I doubt it.

    man the shrapnel from that mortar is pretty nasty. Its was not more then a 60mm mortar and it had a pretty huge lethal radius.

    Russians don't have 60mm mortars, so unless they are using captured mortars I would say it was an 82mm mortar with a reduced HE charge and extra metal fragments for reaching out and touching...

    I'm kinda feel bad now to those Ukrainian soldiers defending a building or area that being targeted by Tyulpan.

    When enough of them say they don't want to fight any more this war will be over... until then...

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    Post  mnztr Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:26 am

    HATO cannot accept the invited in excuse for being there because Russia can say that the Crimean people invited them in and the people of the four new Russian regions also invited them in so all these claims of Russian invasion and Russian aggression by the west would have to stop. I don't think they want to go that path. Without a UNSC agreement then peacekeepers are not peacekeepers... they are a party to the conflict and therefore also fair game if both sides do not agree to their presence. wrote:

    saying the Crimean people invited you is quite different then the sovereign govt. Just like Russia was invited by the Syrian govt. You do not need unsc approval to invite troops into your own country for any reason.
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    Post  mnztr Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:34 am

    Russia has no control over what Kiev might or might not want to do... if they launch attacks and start firing rocket artillery from random locations to support those attacks there is not very much Russia can do except destroy the attacking troops and hunt down the enemy artillery. wrote:

    of course russia has some control over this. maybe not total, but certainly they know enough and have intel and attack capabilities to severely hinder the movement of heavy weapons. If they cannot have an impact on this then many will die.
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    Post  mnztr Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:08 am

    I'm kinda feel bad now to those Ukrainian soldiers defending a building or area that being targeted by Tyulpan. wrote:

    very underrated weapon. Its steep trajectory and huge charge are pretty terrifying.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:13 am

    Ironically something they wont be able to do with F-16s.

    They would.
    A whole thing is common for most of the exWarPac countries.
    In most cases, those are not just strips of road, but predestined parts of a road constructed to be airstrips.


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    Ironic that former neutral Finland is probably supplying them to Kiev, while Georgia publicly refused to supply weapons to Kiev... they probably fear the US trying to get them to become a second front... and justifiably so... if the US could I am sure they would...

    Well ... Georgians already felt the good will & blessings from the US, including how Saaka was involved in killing the opposition members.
    With a mouth full of shit about transparency, democracy, and Euro values.
    His later career left many doubts neither, a guy was an obvious CIA asset. Thrown away just as used condom on the very first occasion.
    The thing is actually fascinating to observe, how the same names/methods floating around ...

    very underrated weapon. Its steep trajectory and huge charge are pretty terrifying.

    Yeah, very much underrated.
    So much, that applied to the strategic artillery reserve, even higher in the command chain than 2S7.

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    Post  wilhelm Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:37 am

    Alamo, I think the reference to the F16 was the fact that it has the air intake ventrally mounted...underneath the fuselage.
    It is known to be very vulnerable to FOD (Foreign Object Damage) sucking in any loose bits and pieces on the takeoff surface.
    Operating from a carefully swept roadway in peacetime in Western Europe with an F16 is not the same as operating from a poorly maintained Ukrainian roadway.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:46 am

    "And who would be interesting in creating such a map of Russian defences and publishing them on the internet?

    What value does such a map have?

    What damage could such a map achieve?"

    Given the capabilities of NATO ISR probably not a lot, especially at that scale.

    Also there may be misinformation included, it is unlikely that the author got their data by walking the line. Just a SM curiosity.
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Apr 11, 2023 11:16 am

    New post wilhelm Today at 10:37 am
    Alamo, I think the reference to the F16 was the fact that it has the air intake ventrally mounted...underneath the fuselage.
    It is known to be very vulnerable to FOD (Foreign Object Damage) sucking in any loose bits and pieces on the takeoff surface.
    Operating from a carefully swept roadway in peacetime in Western Europe with an F16 is not the same as operating from a poorly maintained Ukrainian roadway.


    It is not much relevant I guess.
    There are just some predestined roads in Ukraine as in any other exWarPac country, or Germany, or Holland...
    Only more of those.
    We are not considering operations from unhardened, terrain airstrips created ad hoc.
    Those are actually airfields, with taxi and maintenance areas.
    You need to sweep them before operations, just the same way as a regular airstrip.
    In some cases, manually, with a human chain walking through the stip length searching for dangerous debris.
    JAS39 is widely advertised as top-notch survivable asset because the improvised airstrips are just a common practice for them, but it does not operate secondary air inlets either. There is a small nozzle under the fuselage just before the engine compartment, but i't mission is to improve engine cooling only.
    Actually, only the MiG-29 used to have real secondary air inlets at the top of the fuselage, but that solution was not carried further.

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    Post  Mir Tue Apr 11, 2023 11:42 am

    Unless the road is a real rubbish dump or next to one where the wind can blow crap over the road the F-16 should be fine as it's nose wheel is well behind the air intake.

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    Post  nomadski Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:01 pm



    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/10/politics/classified-documents-leak-explainer/index.html


    Is this true intelligence ? Or counter- intelligence ? I believe every word . Russia can relax , Ukrs counter- offensive is counter- intelligenced !....LOL !



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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:02 pm

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    “I don't want to sacrifice any more Russian soldiers in а guerrilla war against hordes of fanatics armed by NATO. We have enough forces & technical means to bring Ukraine to complete surrender" - S.Surovikin-Russian Armed Forces army general and Commander of the Aerospace Forces.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:05 pm

    More on this scam at https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/ukrainians-of-the-127th-brigade-in-bakhmut-revolt-against-the-kiev-government-you-sent-us-to-die-in-the-meat-grinder/






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    Post  Hole Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:24 pm

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    Post  Hole Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:25 pm

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    Does somebody know what this is/will become?

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:35 pm

    Huh thats straight up propaganda in terms of the Zelen KIA thing, facts are facts, that's how KIA has always worked UNLESS you find the body its MIA even if you know they died as to get a KIA classification requires identifiable remains. you can go for PKIA which means Presumed Killed in Action. But that still doesn't get you a KIA status, this is how all modern armies do it.

    I have no idea why someone would attempt such absurdly lazy claims, that a mere google search can debunk in two minutes.

    If you wanted to push this narrative, it would have been better to say "Zelensky doesn't include MIA's, which X chances are X percentage of is really KIA. So the real KIA is far greater than known" or "Zelensky is using the literal casualty classifications to deny a family compensation even though it's obvious they died" because THAT would have been factual correct to say


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    Post  mnztr Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:41 pm

    Russians don't have 60mm mortars, so unless they are using captured mortars I would say it was an 82mm mortar with a reduced HE charge and extra metal fragments for reaching out and touching... wrote:

    that would make sense and the blast seemed quiet small and far away, yet it wasted those three guys, 2 of them almost instantly.
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    Post  Backman Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:31 pm

    Huh thats straight up propaganda in terms of the Zelen KIA thing, facts are facts, that's how KIA has always worked UNLESS you find the body its MIA even if you know they died as to get a KIA classification requires identifiable remains. you can go for PKIA which means Presumed Killed in Action. But that still doesn't get you a KIA status, this is how all modern armies do it
    .

    Maybe you should email or phone Evgeny Prigozin and inform him since you are such an expert. It was the main reason why Prigozin started sending bodies back in coffins. And there is also protests in Lvov and Kiev of families who hear nothing about the fate of their kin because the regime is playing cover up in various ways.

    And the regime just 3 days ago banned the filming of graves of soldiers. https://southfront.org/kiev-regime-to-ban-filming-of-mass-graves-in-an-attempt-to-hide-heavy-losses/

    dunno Moron.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:38 pm

    Post SeigSoloyvov Today at 6:35 pm
    Huh thats straight up propaganda in terms of the Zelen KIA thing,


    You don't get the point.
    KIA/MIA number is deliberately being faked, because it is just a regular scam scheme carried out by every single level of higher command.
    Only the scale multiplies if you go up the ladder.
    They have faked the numbers since the very beginning, not to grant the widows and orphans allowances granted by their own legislature and insurance, and to keep incorporating the donations at full scale.
    Ukro info stream is full of cases like that for months, if not even from the early beginning.
    The "200k" KIA number leaked by the Brits months ago was nothing else rather than striking the data of men in ranks they paid for with the actual number.
    It turned a "200k" gap even back there, and that was ... half a year ago? dunno
    A whole 404 is dead meat kept alive by the western taxpayers' hard cash, where every single piece of shit is doing his best to grab as much as he can.
    While regular men are being decimated.
    And all of that is being covered by massive propaganda that makes Josef Goebbels a shy amateur.
    No sane person, who has not experienced the corruption level of the 404, can understand that.
    It is beyond all imagination.
    So just watch&learn, where is your tax $ going?

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    Post  Backman Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:42 pm

    They likely just got lots of them from Finland who used to operate BUK.

    That might explain the white painted missile. Wikipedia says this: "Still ready for wartime use and are all in "operational condition".[155] So basically Finland is still a current operator of the Buk. But they have it in the "former operators" column.

    A quick search for a white painted Buk missile only shows a naval variant from India. That is worth investigating. Maybe the US and the corrupt officials they have planted in India are pilfering weapons like this for Ukraine.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:48 pm

    This is a pic of Buk-M1 from the early 90s and USArmy materials :

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    And this is Ukrainian one from 2008 :

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    And this is Ukro from 2017 :

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    And this is from 2021 :

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    I suppose no conspiracy theory needs to be applied here bro dunno

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    Post  Kiko Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:14 pm

    Ukrainian military began to surrender en masse in the Avdiivka area, 04.11.2023.

    Adviser to the Acting Head of the DPR Kimakovsky announced the mass surrender of fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Avdiivka.

    MOSCOW, April 11 - RIA Novosti. The Ukrainian military began to surrender en masse in the Avdeevka area, Igor Kimakovsky, adviser to the acting head of the DPR, said on Channel One.

    “Now it is in this area (Avdiivka. — Ed. note) that there are a lot of servicemen of the armed formations of Ukraine who are surrendering,” the channel’s interlocutor said.

    On Tuesday, Acting Head of the Donetsk People's Republic Denis Pushilin stressed that now the task is to encircle the city. So far, the Armed Forces of Ukraine still have supply routes for the group.

    The day before, he noted the advance of the Russian military in the Avdiivka area - the fighters are pushing the enemy back to prevent shelling of Donetsk, Yasinovataya and Makeevka.

    https://ria.ru/20230411/plen-1864594673.html

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    Post  Backman Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:28 pm

    ^ Ok ok. I just don't recall seeing the bright white ones recently. And the missiles on this one were mis matched. We know they are short of buk missiles and they cant mfg them in Ukr.

    Either way, it wouldn't surprise me if some Indian weapons turn up on the Ukraine side

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