Russian special military operation in Ukraine #45

franco wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

lancelot wrote:How can you even call this a win? The US Neocons are likely salivating right now thinking this is confirmation that all their claims that Russia will implode with the conflict are true. That if they push just a bit more they will get what they want. It will only make them all the more eager to push more.

It's definitely a win for the neocons. They will indeed use this to put more pressure and assist Ukraine further. But while this is a massive loss externally, it's a win internally as it consolidated power in Russia and remove any potential dissidents.  The external affair issue will simply take time to revert the damages. And best way for that is continue to win in Ukraine.

I have always had the sense that Russia wants this to go on for a long time, draining not only the resources of Ukraine but the West. Suspect their allies feel the same, contrary to the public calls for peace and negotiations. Zelensky is not the only PR firm in town  

Same. It's to Russia's benefit that the West keeps throwing good money after bad and over-investing in a lost cause

Godric wrote:Wagner are no longer a threat neither is Prigozhin, they basically helped out, all or most of the 5th column and treacherous scum in Russia outed themselves when Wagner leadership decided to go AWOL

that is a big win, Putin got rid of a big chunk of the enemies of Russia  

And who actually fell for it in the end?

I know the Ukraine didn't. Did NATO's remaining useful idiots in Russia get activated?

PapaDragon wrote:Terrorists and murderers were allowed to walk free and Russian soldiers will be forced to serve alongside and under the same people who have been killing them

Terrorists ringleader has gotten away with everything

This is a national disaster and hallmark of a failed state

Give your stalwart defense of your ego a rest once in a while PD and admit that Prigozhin got one up on you. As he did on most people here. Not me though

About time to move forward at the frontline!

Kiev has been building up to this offensive for some time, and considering the Russians claim to have killed about 13,000 orcs and lots of armour and equipment I would expect there is quite a lot left... you would expect them to be massing 60-70,000 men for such an operation... more if they could manage that, so they probably have rather a lot of men and material and equipment still hidden somewhere... well probably everywhere, so I don't think an attack by Russia would be a good idea now.

Any place the Orcs have pushed they could push back a bit, but they are not in a rush to get things done before the season changes and large movements are no longer easy or practical.

You do realize you are sitting on a forum and shilling for enemies of you own country?

The greatest enemies of Germany are in Washington and London and the capital of Germany... they already gave up cheap Russian gas... how has that helped the western economy... and Brussels and Washington are demanding 2% spending on military and also money to go to Kiev... I would say anyone suggesting they listen to Russia and stop funding nazis in Kiev is a European patriot because that is more in line with European interests than any of the shit coming from the US which seems mostly focused on selling its own energy products to the EU to the cost of the EU.

Wagner is basically no more, Putin will not allow them to exist to any real degree, most will be absorbed into the army, sure some will retire and a few will go with prozi, but Wagner is effectively dead as you know it. So do not expect any "offenses" from them

Wagner will likely continue around the world, but those members in Ukraine wanting to stay will likely get contracts with the Russian Army.

Wagner isn't through, Russia is through using Wagner I think is more accurate.

How can you even call this a win? The US Neocons are likely salivating right now thinking this is confirmation that all their claims that Russia will implode with the conflict are true. That if they push just a bit more they will get what they want. It will only make them all the more eager to push more.

They know full well if this had happened in a western country that all political parties would pull together and be super patriotic or risk being called traitors, this never had a chance of succeeding really... the two groups that might have taken advantage of this... the chechens... who wanted independence before... and the communists who will not be happy with how things are at the moment... both fully supported Putin and the current military leadership.

Coups don't work with politicians only... you need secret service, military, police, other powerful organs of state behind you to have any chance... they didn't, because this was a tantrum over losing a defence contract... it was never really meant to be a serious coup.

It's definitely a win for the neocons.

No it isn't.

They didn't do this. They had no hand in creating it, could not add to it and watched helplessly by as it fizzled out after being super hyped up in the west it is just another failure against Putin as his forces continue to succeed on the battlefield and the neocons forces collapse and get killed in large batches.

It would be awfully strange for the Vatican to support such a side, after all Poland is one of the most Roman Catholic countries in the world.

No more strange than a jew in charge of nazis... it is all about image... if they can get the vatican to support kiev then those poles and israelis complaining about Bandera are just being silly...

The west applying the rule.... the enemy of my enemy is my friend... which leads to getting into bed with the devil obviously.

Reminder.. Rogozhin coup stuff has its own thread...

Russia will hit hard. wrote:

Yes, Macgreogor has been talking about the great Russian offensive for half a year, that in a moment. His analysis is worthless

par far wrote:
Col Douglas Macgregor With his insights, he is saying that this was not coup but Prigozhin wanted to get Putin’s attention.

Macgreogor is saying that Russian officers and others at the top of the military are not happy about the way the war is going on in Ukraine. They want to end it fast, Macgreogor is saying that, Russia will hit hard.

All his "insights" are just the same as you can have any minute signing some TG channels.
He is repeating the same things like some mantra.
He does not have any connections in Russia.
In opposition to the Ritter guy - he has some real, live contacts dating back into 90s.
So really some of the folks he can mail or call, can be high level of command now, if they were in inspection business 30 years ago.

Maybe that was the only bridge they could hit, concerning the Russian AD distribution.
TikToks won't record themselves alone, you know ...