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    Post  Isos Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:21 pm

    kvs wrote:The retardation is off the scale with this incessant propaganda bout Russia using S-300 missiles to attack ground targets.   What
    reason would Russia have a need to do this?   Clearly it is not running out of missiles in spite of over a year of NATzO MSM parroting
    Kiev claims.   There is no value in masking missile attacks as Ukr AD missiles since Russia is openly attacking targets all around Ukria.

    Anyway, NATzO + Kiev propaganda drivel is not getting them much.   They are preaching to the idiot choir, this garbage has no
    reach beyond it.




    Not retard at all. A basic 100$ military grade GPS/Glonass chip with basic software update can make the 48N6 a very good ballistic missile.

    I remember seeing some astronomical numbers about the production of AD missile during soviet times. Something like 70 000 s-125 ir s-200 missiles being produced. S-300 missiles have been produced in huge quantities as well. It's a huge stock. Attacking fixed target to even just start a fire is already a very good tool and pain in the ass for the enemy.

    According to wiki Russia had/has 2000 launchers for s-300 that 8000 ready to fire missiles. Thry probably produced easily 50000 missiles for it.

    It's not dumb to upgrade them with ground attack mode. Buk system already have anti ship mode and the radar can even lock on tanks.

    But I doubt it's the case. It's possible however there was no sign it happened.
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    Post  PhSt Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:54 pm

    kvs wrote:The retardation is off the scale

    Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

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    Post  Regular Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:25 pm

    New Russian uniform for SMO troops for summer in multicam - VKPO 3.0

    Ratnik kit is rare to see now, MOD is buying large amounts of these uniforms
     and various kits


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    Post  adder Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:03 am

    wtf
    https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2023/06/28/istochniki-v-minoboroni-soobschayut-ob-areste-generala-surovikina-a47384
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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:24 am

    adder wrote:wtf
    https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2023/06/28/istochniki-v-minoboroni-soobschayut-ob-areste-generala-surovikina-a47384

    That is a western propaganda rag. What are RT and Tass or Sputnik reporting?

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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:42 am

    As an American, freedom of the press is not something I actually care about so I will release the name of the source, its long time Pottsylvanian superspies Boris Badanov and Natasha Fatale. You can take that ibformation to the bank or else my name isn't Bullwinkle J Moose, say Rock watch me pull out another excuse about why the Ukrainian counteroffensive has been so unsuccessful out of my hat [see's a Russian bear] wrong hat. . . .

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:50 am

    The reason quoted seems a stretch especially if it was the UA VIPs Russia was after but a good cover story never the less. It certainly left a bit of a mess, this looks like the back of the building.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:54 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:As an American, freedom of the press is not something I actually care about so I will release the name of the source, its long time Pottsylvanian superspies Boris Badanov and Natasha Fatale.  You can take that ibformation to the bank or else my name isn't Bullwinkle J Moose, say Rock watch me pull out another excuse about why the Ukrainian counteroffensive has been so unsuccessful out of my hat [see's a Russian bear] wrong hat. .  . .

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    Sorry you're wrong, it was 2 random guys walking past the front door, can't get much closer than that Laughing

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    Post  lancelot Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:00 am

    Regular wrote:New Russian uniform for SMO troops for summer in multicam - VKPO 3.0

    Ratnik kit is rare to see now, MOD is buying large amounts of these uniforms
     and various kits
    For whatever reason more and more Russian troops are using Multicam instead of EMR. Which will likely make identification of friendly forces in the field more difficult. Since some in the other side also use Multicam.

    I have nothing against the uniform per se, it seems to provide less protection than the latest available version of Ratnik, with the possible advantage of having more mobility in it. Like a lot of things it is a matter of compromises.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jun 29, 2023 8:47 am

    Can't Russia use low intensity nuclear weapons and completely destroy the Ukrainian army?

    Actually.... in terms of damage a volley from a Smerch battery would kill over a wider area than a small tactical nuke would with no issues with radiation or international media attention.

    As long as HATO does not send in their troops there is nothing in the Ukraine or the Ukraine conflict that would require a nuclear weapon.

    Having said that if Poland said it was sending forces into the Ukraine to help Kiev then that becomes a HATO invasion that will be fighting Russian troops in Ukraine because Kievs definition of Ukrainian territory does not equate with reality. The UK will dip its toes in Crimean water and claim Crimea is part of the Ukraine, but we don't see any ground forces or even air power trying to do the same...

    Polish forces massing up and moving over the border into the Ukraine would be a suitable target for nukes because it would be out of range of Smerch and the other weapons that could reach wouldn't offer the density of fragments and HE blast waves to do a thorough job and a decent sized force of HATO soldiers would be a target worth completely wiping out before it reaches the front line or disperses and becomes more of a chore to deal with.

    Equally a force forming up to attack Kaliningrad it would not make sense to wait until it actually attacks, but forces forming up to attack would likely coincide with attempts to deal with Russian systems like Iskander in the enclave so the instant one was attacked (successfully or otherwise) would justify air power being launched and air defences to start shooting down enemy air platforms in nearby airspace, and of course several Iskanders lofting nukes into any HATO troop groupings near their border to blunt that attack.

    That is why I consider Putin a weak leader in this context. A moderate conservative is only good for diplomacy but not for total war like this.

    It is not total war though... if Russia can break what is left of Kievs military it could come out of this conflict smelling of roses... its economy intact, ties with the west broken but that is also a good thing, more importantly ties with the rest of the world established and starting to strengthen to develop mutual growth and development.

    And HATO looking worse than it did running away from Afghanistan.

    Nothing guarantees that Trump will win in 2024 and will not suffer some attack from the deep state.

    Biden has no chance of re election... even democrats don't think he would last another term, and it is the Biden clan that are pushing this conflict... I suspect most other of the usual idiots will walk away and tie it off as a Biden fuckup when they get into power... there are no good things for the US in this conflict except getting lots of military sales but that does not help the US, just the few families that own those MIC companies.

    Russia only has the most radical military option left.

    Going feral is really the only way Russia could screw this up...

    It has been working so far... why not let them finish what they are doing...

    As far as simulations are concerned, tactical nuclear weapon cannot delete 1 armoured brigade provided they aren't parked next to eachother in a flat terrain.

    Exactly... 2,000 tons of TNT in one spot (2KT) is not as effective at killing as 20 tons of ordinance in 2.5 kg submunitions scattered around a large area and detonated...

    Anyways, what I think is as each days passes we are coming closer and closer to that day where someone will see this magic mushroom. I personally would expect a low amount of nukes getting exchanged in Europe and maybe in non European theaters to "safe face".

    I think Putin just needs to be open and very clear... if they use nukes on a concentration of HATO troops in Poland either about to enter Ukraine or Kaliningrad then there needs to be a direct clear warning that if they go ahead that nukes will be used, and these nukes are to stop a threat to Russia. Any use of nukes by any other country against Russia or any of her allies in response will result in a full nuclear strike to take out the country launching those nukes... nuclear weapons use is not something you can play escalation games with... you didn't listen to us so we used a nuke. When we used that nuke we said nuke us in return and you are starting WWIII and the entire west will be destroyed and we are not talking just military targets.

    If they get the message you might not even have to launch the first nuke... they might back down and start talking, but if you use that first nuke you have to be prepared to destroy any attempt to deliver nukes to Russian targets or their allies and respond to that response by destroying those who attempted to deliver that blow to make it clear what will happen.

    If the west does not want to listen to Russia there are consequences and ignoring clear red lines... even making a game of it like they are now is not in Russian interests.

    Obviously WWIII isn't in their interests either, but the west needs to realise Russian nukes will **** them up and fucking Russia up in return wont be nearly as satisfying to most people in the west than most western politicians seem to think.

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    I call bullshit on this…

    Moscow Times... is owned by some cocksucker in the Baltics...

    Not retard at all. A basic 100$ military grade GPS/Glonass chip with basic software update can make the 48N6 a very good ballistic missile.

    Totally retarded... these targets they are supposed to be hitting are not the sort of things Russia would want to be hitting with any sort of good ballistic missile.

    S-300s are surface to air missiles.... 48N6 is S-400 and is also a surface to air missile but if they were using them to hit ground targets they would be hitting ground targets of military value... not targets that are unprotected like the Orcs are with their western uber missiles of Storm Shadow and HIMARS etc etc etc where the targets are civilian because they get shot down when fired at military targets.

    Russian ballistic and non ballistic missiles are not getting shot down so why start using SAMs?

    Pretty clear the claims of the use of S-300s against ground targets are Orc S-300s not hitting their targets and just generally hitting the ground in random places.

    BTW if they were such amazing ballistic missiles considering how ineffective they are against air targets why aren't they firing them at Russian military ground targets...

    Something like 70 000 s-125 ir s-200 missiles being produced. S-300 missiles have been produced in huge quantities as well. It's a huge stock.

    More practical to use them against air targets of which there are plenty.

    These missiles are also used to train air defence units pretending to be ballistic threats.


    It's not dumb to upgrade them with ground attack mode.

    It is not dumb, but they also have enormous numbers of many other types of ground attack weapons that were also obsolete and made in enormous numbers that can be used now their air defence has been weakened and of course they are making drones in large numbers now too.

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    It is Ratnik 3?

    wtf

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    Sorry you're wrong, it was 2 random guys walking past the front door, can't get much closer than that Laughing

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:16 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Totally retarded... these targets they are supposed to be hitting are not the sort of things Russia would want to be hitting with any sort of good ballistic missile.


    Me thinks that Isos is on point with that.
    Russia has enormous stocks of old AD missiles, starting with really old like Vega.
    Those missiles are equipped with massive, 100-200kg warheads.
    Ballistic range is quite impressive either, Vega should easily reach 500 km. For 5V55, it is about 300 km.
    If you take 9M82 "army" missiles, it would be much, much more than that, closer to 500 km.
    And - surprisingly - it would perfectly cover an existing niche of Russian weapon systems.
    I guess that really old missiles are not worth bothering, there is no technical base to work on them and would be better to use them as training targets or something, but ...
    S-300 systems of the 70/80s share the same technology base, and Russia still retained some potential to repair/audit those missiles.
    Soooo ... making a common modification for the whole family, with the same/similar components responsible for steering the missile and correct its flighpath ...
    It ain't stupid at all.
    Let me explain.
    What you will get, is a tens of thousands stock of older missile systems, that would have to be dismantled and utilize anyway, right? It ain't cheap.
    With a simple modification, you can get not a ballistic missile, but ... cruise one, capable to make programmed evasive manoeuvers. Sure it will have a shorter range, but it would be still some 15o km for 9M82. If the target lack AD coverage - just go ballistic, those missiles will do Mach 4 anyway, so good luck to take them down with an average NATO member state air defense Laughing Laughing
    Last but not least, you can unleash a volley of four missiles with a single launcher - it is no joke bro.
    Sooooo there are some pros for the solution, and as we already see with Ch-22, Russkie are very flexible and can adopt easily. If we don't see that, means that they have enough of new toys for the show I guess.

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    Post  Serberus Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:01 am

    Nice compilation of previously released Lancet hits.

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/90705

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    Post  Mir Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:10 am

    lancelot wrote:
    Regular wrote:New Russian uniform for SMO troops for summer in multicam - VKPO 3.0

    Ratnik kit is rare to see now, MOD is buying large amounts of these uniforms
     and various kits
    For whatever reason more and more Russian troops are using Multicam instead of EMR. Which will likely make identification of friendly forces in the field more difficult. Since some in the other side also use Multicam.

    I have nothing against the uniform per se, it seems to provide less protection than the latest available version of Ratnik, with the possible advantage of having more mobility in it. Like a lot of things it is a matter of compromises.

    The British Multicam version seems quite nice but I'm not a fan as it is neither here nor there. Spetsnaz units have used it for ages now but Rosgardia's ATACS variant (ATAKA) is a much better option in my opinion as it blends perfectly with most surroundings in the field.
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    Post  lyle6 Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:30 am

    I remain skeptical that Russia uses SAM interceptors as ersatz ballistic missiles.  

    I get that they're available in huge numbers, but they were stocked for a reason.

    Little known fact, but the S-400 is fully backwards compatible with all S-300P missiles - as do the S-300V4 with previous model rounds.

    However the older systems in storage have no way of using more advanced ammunition, so their irreplaceable stocks of rounds should be kept in reserve if you want to use them in the future.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:43 am

    We all see the effect of using them right now Laughing
    With tons of successful interceptions of homes and bus stops Laughing
    I'm not deluding myself, the effect of using 1983 produced 5V55 from a Russian system would be not much better than what we see now Laughing

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    Post  lyle6 Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:41 am

    That's because Ukraine lacks the competencies to maintain and service their Soviet missiles, like everything the Soviets left them.

    Almaz-Antey used to sell a lot of refurbished ammunition to foreign customers with older SAM systems.

    They can make even the oldest 5V55 fly like its brand new.

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    Post  Regular Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:58 am

    Mir wrote:


    The British Multicam version seems quite nice but I'm not a fan as it is neither here nor there. Spetsnaz units have used it for ages now but Rosgardia's ATACS variant (ATAKA) is a much better option in my opinion as it blends perfectly with most surroundings in the field.

    There is nothing wrong with Ratnik uniform in digital EMR (it has good reviews and sought after), but I assume they can’t produce in the numbers as uniforms are “used up” in harsh environments. The only issue was that it was too warm in summer. Like with the new boots, they relied on commercial producer that could churn out the numbers and fill the void.

    Now, why they chose multicam is a good question, ATAKA would be amazing. The uniform is top notch and if mobilised will get them, then everyone will be happy. So much about military buying “cheapest crap”, imagine how much money will be saved without Wagners

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    Post  Arrow Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:00 pm

    They can make even the oldest 5V55 fly like its brand new. wrote:

    Not entirely solid rocket propellant also ages, there are changes that can then cause the missile to malfunction. Unless they also change the fuel Smile

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:32 pm

    lyle6 wrote:That's because Ukraine lacks the competencies to maintain and service their Soviet missiles, like everything the Soviets left them.

    Almaz-Antey used to sell a lot of refurbished ammunition to foreign customers with older SAM systems.

    They can make even the oldest 5V55 fly like its brand new.

    It is not that easy bro.
    They lacked some competencies for sure, but were capable to make a full cycle of modernization/upgrade for Buk/M/M1.
    Actually, they have compete with Russia for modernization market.
    They could do some repairs/maintenance for 5V55, too.
    They probably lacked the potential to repair/upgrade Tors and Tunguskas, so they removed those quite early.

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    Post  Isos Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:35 pm

    Missiles have expire dates. Look how faulty ukro s-300 are because of lack of maintenance. Russia won't keep old 5V55 missiles or old 48N6 missiles when it is constently producing new ones.

    A s-300 in the middle of a building or in the middle of a field camp will do lot of damage and will be a threat ukro would need to worry about making their war harder.

    Changing the warhead for some military grade C4 is also easy. They can carry 100-150kg warhead. That's big.

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    Post  lyle6 Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:51 pm

    Isos wrote:Missiles have expire dates. Look how faulty ukro s-300 are because of lack of maintenance. Russia won't keep old 5V55 missiles or old 48N6 missiles when it is constently producing new ones.

    A s-300 in the middle of a building or in the middle of a field camp will do lot of damage and will be a threat ukro would need to worry about making their war harder.

    Changing the warhead for some military grade C4 is also easy. They can carry 100-150kg warhead. That's big.

    I don't know about you, but I'm not going to put more powerful explosives in a missile I'm not quite sure won't explode on launch...

    If they can replace the warhead, they can replace the propellant, and whatever else that's way past the use by date.

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    It is not that easy bro.
    They lacked some competencies for sure, but were capable to make a full cycle of modernization/upgrade for Buk/M/M1.
    Actually, they have compete with Russia for modernization market.
    They could do some repairs/maintenance for 5V55, too.
    They probably lacked the potential to repair/upgrade Tors and Tunguskas, so they removed those quite early.

    But can they make new rounds for their SAMs? Because if they can't they are only postponing the inevitable. It doesn't matter if your SAM is up-to-date with the latest electronics because when its dry its target practice.

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    Post  Mir Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:42 pm

    Regular wrote:

    There is nothing wrong with Ratnik uniform in digital EMR (it has good reviews and sought after)

    Never said there was something wrong with EMR - in fact I quite like it and have a VKBO set of my own. Works great in the bush.

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