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    Post  PhSt Thu Jul 06, 2023 1:51 am

    Backman wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    As far as I am concerned, Takaev is a CIA agent. Yet Xi and Putin wine and dine with him to their SCO shindigs. Xi and Putin are too soft. They should prepare a crippling dual sanctions package for Kazakhstan. Give him a week to straighten out and if not, bring the hammer down. Or maybe target him personally. Tell him how it is going to be.


    Russia needs to be more aggressive in defending its interests. Being nice will only give Russia's partners and foes an impression of Weakness and thus will result in many red lines getting crossed. Russia will have to draft a national strategy that will aim to seize its lost territories from the Soviet era and reincorporate them into the Russian Federation.

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    Post  mnztr Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:34 am

    In NATO parlance "some success" for Russia =iniflicted a crushing defeat.

    d_taddei2 wrote:Well a bit slow to admit but they eventually did it.
    UK finally admits counteroffensive was a sh*tshow.

    Official statement.

    "In recent weeks, Russia has prioritised and refined tactics aimed at slowing Ukrainian armoured counter-offensive operations in southern Ukraine

    The core of this approach has been Russia’s very heavy use of anti-tank mines. In some areas the density of its minefields indicate that it has likely used many more mines than laid down in its military doctrine

    Having slowed the Ukrainian advance, Russia has then attempted to strike Ukrainian armoured vehicles with one-way attack uncrewed aerial vehicles, attack helicopters and artillery.

    Although Russia has achieved some success with this approach in the early stages of Ukraine’s counter-offensive, its forces continue to suffer from key weaknesses, especially overstretched units and a shortage of artillery munitions."

    What's funny is the last part I think they got that mixed up should have read NATOs shortage of artillery munitions lol!

    Also USA media and officials have been making comments as such as
    "that the Ukrainian counteroffensive has experienced a slow start, and the outcomes observed in the initial weeks have been described as sobering.”

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    Post  PhSt Thu Jul 06, 2023 4:04 am

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    We've been seeing mostly lancet drones that are effectively engaging NATO targers in Ukraine. But these Zala KYBs seems to be getting less attention, or perhaps these are not produced in great numbers. The shape of this drone is very similar to the Geran 2s. If they increase the size of this drone and arm it with a 100kg HE payload this could be Geran 3, and maybe introduce updates like the ability to adjust/ change/ chase targets depending on the circumstances.  attack

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 06, 2023 7:16 am

    No no no my friend.
    He was claiming so, while we have no idea what he really wanted.

    You are correct, he is a politician and an actor so two types of liar mixed in to one... no one could argue he wanted peace... he just thought that would get him elected and it did.

    The point I was trying to make is that he was the peace option the people of the Ukraine chose at the time of the election... he promised peace and poro offered victory in war... the voters wanted peace.

    The whole Zelensky Project has been opened a long time ago,

    No doubt the logic was a popular already well known Ukrainian who was jewish so they can say claims of Nazism were false against the regime.

    He ticked all the boxes they cared about... whether he was competent or not didn't really come into things.

    I agree. Russia needs to destabilize NATO countries, especially those next to its border, as they are an existential threat to Russia's national security.

    That is probably something the US actually fears... notice how quickly the US told the Russians that they had nothing to do with the Wagner situation... I don't believe them because they are liars through and through, but they were very keen for Russia not to escalate in kind if you understand....

    Maybe Russia needs its own equivalent of the CIA that does as it pleases around the world causing death and chaos as it goes with no accountability and full protection from the west...

    If they increase the size of this drone and arm it with a 100kg HE payload this could be Geran 3, and maybe introduce updates like the ability to adjust/ change/ chase targets depending on the circumstances.

    Having a very small payload makes these drones smaller and lighter and probably much cheaper using less battery power and cheaper smaller engines etc etc and enabling them to be made in larger numbers.

    Such drones are rather useful and should not be underestimated... you need all types of drones from very light to heavy and everything in between.

    Ten tiny drones for the cost of 1 big drone can often kill rather more targets despite reduced payloads... in fact I would say a small drone with a 3kg HEAT payload would be ideal for killing western tanks with their ammo stored in the rear turret bustles such huge turrets would be rather easier to target than the crew positions but either way diving down from above targeting the super thin turret top armour makes the 3kg HEAT warhead very very effective.

    Considering the position the Ukraine is in even just targeting the engine deck with a suicide drone would be a mission kill and if they try to drag the tank away you get a chance to kill a recovery vehicle too which are probably more valuable than the tank itself.

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    Post  Werewolf Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:59 am

    Backman wrote:

    As far as I am concerned, Takaev is a CIA agent. Yet Xi and Putin wine and dine with him to their SCO shindigs. Xi and Putin are too soft. They should prepare a crippling dual sanctions package for Kazakhstan. Give him a week to straighten out and if not, bring the hammer down. Or maybe target him personally. Tell him how it is going to be.

    The issue right now that is standing before Kazakhstan is that they are setup for failure and they are idiotic enough like Moldovia and Moldovians not to understand that they are after Georgia and Ukraine next on the line to be played like a damn fiddle.

    Sanctions never worked and only solidify the political course the current government has. Russia, Iran, North Korea, EU and so on and so.

    What needs to be done is exposing the doing of Kakaev to Kazakh people. The effect that will have is at least give them a heads up what they are going to face.
    There is a principle every country on earth should know and abide is to maintain and improve diplomatic relationships with your direct neighbors. Kazakhstan will face direct military intervention by Russia for a good reason. No fucking NATO bases, No fucking US bio labs and no fucking security jeopardy towards Russia is or can be allowed. I personally hope that people like Kakaev and Zhid'lensky will be hung by their own citizens.

    The issue with many is they are idiots who do not learn a single thing and nationalism and nazism in Kazakhstan is growing.
    They are fed with the same lies as the Ukros, that they all fed and build in the Soviet Union and the Russians did not do a single thing and only enjoyed the work of all others. They believe lies like that but at the same time show a very little to no progress in last 30 years of their independence. Everytime something is not working who is to blame? Yea, Russia and Putin.

    It's time to defend Russia's interest and start defending our borders.
    If anyone is stupid enough to believe a country on the other side of the globe is going to protect you from your own stupidity against a neighbouring country, then face your destiny!

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    Post  Firebird Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:07 am

    PhSt wrote:


    Russia needs to be more aggressive in defending its interests. Being nice will only give Russia's partners and foes an impression of Weakness and thus will result in many red lines getting crossed. Russia will have to draft a national strategy that will aim to seize its lost territories from the Soviet era and reincorporate them into the Russian Federation.

    The Baltics allow St Petersburg etc to be better defended. And have a fair Russian population, currently being given a load of shit. THere is also Kaliningrad isolated by them. Any operation could be fiddley because these places are NATO.

    Kazakstan is a vast amount of space, and geographically easier for Russia to deal with. Prob the top 1/3 and some Westernmost tips are Russian. But the rest of Kaz is effectively a synthetic attempt at a country with 4 groups and a tradition of nomadic lifestyle til not that long ago.

    I wonder how Russia would deal with the Baltics effectively. Partition is hard. Perhaps hard and soft power allowing an agreement on Russian human rights and neutrality? Which could be renaged upon. The alternative might be quite a substantial war or very heavy sabre rattling. Quite tricky...

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    Post  Hole Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:46 am

    then attempted to strike
    Russia didn´t attempted to strike, it hit and destroyed the vehicles.

    Maybe they are brainwashed with fake intel ? 
    Exactly that. Ukro POWs over and ovre again said that they were told that the russian trenches were empty or that the russian soldiers had no support.

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    Post  Hole Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:21 am

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    It works!  cheers

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:28 am

    He puts it pretty well.

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    How many fcking videos of a total destruction of the AFU must I post till somebody wakes up?

    All of them look nearly the same if it’s artillery, air strikes, copters or fighter jets or Lancets or any other drone.

    All gets obliterated but who gives a fck about the weapons. The men are dying in masses.

    What kind of world we are living in?

    You fcking stubborn d@ckheads at NATO - it is Game Over - get these morons in Kiev in line and end this disaster.
    This hypocritical European Union of blind US followers have reached its limits of inhumane politics. Don’t you understand that you all will lose everything if you continue to take this path?
    I can’t understand why the hell the people aren’t protesting against senseless killing.

    I am a Slav and I have nothing against other religions or beliefs - but I will never tolerate fascism. In Ukraine men still thinking they are fighting for their land - no it’s BlackRock county. Let the Russians live their lives. They haven’t started it.

    Freedom is an illusion - best sold by the US.

    You poor conscripts feed the fcking MIC machine with your bodies. COME TO YOUR SENSES!

    Imagine the US were conducting a SMO in Ukraine they would transform all big cities in ashes. Russia safeguards own interests against US imperialism and Ukraine has become the playground. The only problem is that you have chosen the US side and became an opponent. Peace was possible but the same people you die for have threw it all in the trash bin.

    Russians have been brothers for you and now you think a brotherhood with the US is possible for a better living? How on earth can you be so blind.

    One day your mothers will protest, but you will be long gone.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:31 am

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:37 am

    It is irrelevant.
    The western goal now is only one - kill as many Russians as possible.
    Even at the 15:1 cost, till the last Ukrainian will stand.
    They give a fuk about anything else.
    Ukro society has been brainwashed so deeply, that it will be possible.
    Imagine that : they have protested to make more graveyards! Not to spare the lives of their relatives, but to secure more burial sites Shocked
    It stands out of a box, agree?

    Till now, we have more than 350 documented Lancet strikes revealed by the Russian official sources. Different ones.
    Lancet is only one of multiple tools of destruction, and I would say not even the most popular one.
    FPV drones are now part of a play, and there are thousands of them in use. Thousands.
    Artillery.
    Aviation.
    It is a slaughter.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:43 am

    Vikhr
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:53 am

    There is a series of live interviews made by Kiryl Fiodorov lately.
    If someone is interested :
    https://www.youtube.com/@Fyodorovlive
    He is discussing with real pilots who are fighting.
    One thing I find hilarious.
    Ka-52 crews actually love the western delivered gear.
    Because ... it is much easier to hit those Laughing
    Targets are much bigger, much taller in general making it hard to miss - while it can be a case with Soviet ones.
    US delivered MRAPs are especially .. ekhm ... warm welcomed Twisted Evil as those glow in a thermal spectrum like a bloody Xmas tree. Most probably because those are air conditioned, which makes the staff (or stuffing considering the case) comfortable, but emits hell of heat from radiators.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:05 pm

    It is irrelevant.
    The western goal now is only one - kill as many Russians as possible.
    Even at the 15:1 cost, till the last Ukrainian will stand.

    The kill ratio does not even matter when you are western Europeans and consider all Soviets to be Russians anyway... 15:1 = 16 dead Russians or Russian like people.



    Can Krasnopol adjust its trajectory to hit slow moving targets like Tanks?

    Regarding whether Krasnopol can hit moving targets...

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1606p625-russian-gun-artillery-thread#431244

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Jul 06, 2023 1:26 pm

    https://peoplesdispatch.org/2023/07/05/communist-activists-aleksander-and-mikhail-kononovich-are-facing-death-threats-in-ukraine/

    Communist activists Aleksander and Mikhail Kononovich are facing death threats in Ukraine

    The duo is currently under house arrest in Ukraine. Earlier this week, the Kononovich brothers, in an appeal, stated that President Volodymyr Zelensky’s regime was trying to assassinate them. They alleged that a police officer, Yevgen Kravchuk, had repeatedly come to their home and threatened to murder them. The same officer also made a Facebook post issuing a public call for their murder and revealing the address of their house.

    Following the onset of the Russia-Ukraine war, the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) arrested the Kononovich brothers, leaders of the Leninist Communist Youth Union of Ukraine (LKSMU), from the capital Kiev on March 6, 2022, and put them in jail. The SBU accused them of being propagandists holding pro-Russian and pro-Belarusian views with the goal of destabilizing the internal situation in Ukraine and creating a “necessary information picture” for Russian and Belarusian channels.

    During their trial, the brothers stated that “our case is completely fabricated from start to finish. What are we charged with? Pro-Belarussian views are being charged. We are being tried for our views. What kind of democracy can we talk about?

    In the wake of such threats, various groups including the World Federation of Democratic Youth (WFDY), Communist Party of Greece (KKE), and Communist Youth of Greece (KNE) have reiterated the demand for the immediate release of the brothers.

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    Post  Werewolf Thu Jul 06, 2023 1:38 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    The kill ratio does not even matter when you are western Europeans and consider all Soviets to be Russians anyway...  15:1 = 16 dead Russians or Russian like people.
    .net/t1606p625-russian-gun-artillery-thread#431244]https://www.russiadefence.net/t1606p625-russian-gun-artillery-thread#431244[/url]

    That's the whole strategy behind it. Barbarossa outsourced to the ones that are considered Untermenschen by Anglo-Saxons/Khazars anyways.

    The only ones who are violently and rigorously defending against this fact are Ukrainians who believe they are true slavs while Russians are Mongoloids.

    What happened happened. If they are down for the strategy throwing themselves into the meat grinder just in hopes the death will be eventually dulled down until the meat grinder stops working, then let them. Russia's focus needs to be to sustain the conditions and meanwhile trying their best effort to create similar conditions for the Anglo-Saxons. That is the hardest task. IT would work easily if BRICS would eventually even as a temporary measure form an alliance to achieve that to exterminate the US and NATO, but I don't see it yet.

    The issue gets far worse before it gets better with Poland, Moldovia and Kazakhstan brewing. The only positive light or prognosis I have is for Moldovia. Around half the population would rather fight on Prednistrovia's side than on Moldovias sight, but verbal alliance is the least trustworthy. Time will tell. I am going to look at it from the only true side.

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    Post  Godric Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:02 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #45 - Page 19 F0tmo710

    they also have the engine for the Storm Shadow missile, NATzO must be shitting there pants with this news

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    Post  Werewolf Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:12 pm

    She can touch my engine Twisted Evil

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    Post  Godric Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:16 pm

    Werewolf wrote:She can touch my engine Twisted Evil

    yes she is lovely

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 06, 2023 4:09 pm

    Godric wrote:
    they also have the engine for the Storm Shadow missile, NATzO must be shitting there pants with this news

    What they think about it I suppose depends on whether this was one of the early units or one of the ones they started upgrading in 2017. The engine, the electronics and the warhead will be of of interest for a multitude of reasons that don't necessarily include reverse engineering.

    Either way this isn't really what either the UK or the French wanted to happen.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 06, 2023 4:15 pm

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    A number of Ukrainian troops & foreign mercenaries were killed in a missile strike targeting a gathering of foreign mercenaries at dawn on Thursday in Lviv, which is the main hub for the entry of Western weapons through Poland & foreign mercenaries into Ukraine.

    The abandoned building was targeted at a time when Ukrainian soldiers and foreign mercenaries were stationed, killing a number of them, and the operations to recover bodies from under the rubble are still continuing, Media reports quoted RT as saying.

    In turn, the Head of Lviv Oblast Military Administration Maksym Kozytskyi, announced that a very important infrastructure facility had been targeted in Lviv.

    https://sana.sy/en/?p=312438

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    Post  Mir Thu Jul 06, 2023 4:28 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Imagine that : they have protested to make more graveyards! Not to spare the lives of their relatives, but to secure more burial sites Shocked
    It stands out of a box, agree?

    Mute point but the protest was about the creation of a very specific War Memorial for the dead.

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    Post  Mir Thu Jul 06, 2023 4:28 pm

    Werewolf wrote:She can touch my engine Twisted Evil

    You sick pervert - it's not an engine it's a missile Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Hole Thu Jul 06, 2023 4:44 pm

    yes she is lovely

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