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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 05, 2023 2:41 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    So if that is right the Russian withdrawal from around Kiev was part of a peace deal that Kiev reneged on...

    The longer this takes the worse the deal Kiev is going to be left with...

    That indeed was what happened. Putin mentioned it when he showed the document to the Africans.

    That the Russians kept their word was probably a reason the Ukrainians were not prepared to properly attack the Russians on their way out.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 05, 2023 2:51 pm

    Ukrs were "not prepared" because there was no Ukrowehrmacht left.
    Rewind your memories back to March/April 22.
    They were done. What was left was a branch of light infantry with every single piece of garbage that NATO could find in the warehouses.
    They had empty eyes of a lost war.
    This is why we had this absurd, enormous propaganda campaign along with censorship of any information inside Ukraine.
    We are heroically winning!
    Oh sure you do ...
    Openly speaking, I do not know what was the threat or promise that Johnson gave to Zelensky, but it was the sole cause of this all madness continuing.
    Ukraine was ready for peace. Zelensky was telling that openly, admitting non aligned status. European politics were discussing the ways to end that ASAP.
    And something happened. A common madness raised.

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    Post  Belisarius Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:05 pm

    Ukrainian Defence Minister Oleksiy Reznikov has admitted that Russian electronic warfare (EWC) systems can suppress GPS-guided munitions and HIMARS MLRS - Financial Times

    He also lamented that China's special envoy for Eurasian affairs, Li Hui, did not believe that the Patriot system was able to intercept the Kingzhal and left without waiting for evidence from Kiev.

    https://t.me/Slavyangrad/53405


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    Post  mr_hd Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:10 pm

    Today Ukraine officially reports some kind of success on southern flank around Bakhmut, Klishchiivka area.

    Since Putin proclaimed that Ukraine offensive is basically broken in just few days - Ukraine first liberated 100square kilometers and 7 villages, then additionally 30 square kilometers more last week and two villages and now last information is that overall area is going well over 160 square kilometers so far. So each past three weeks Ukraine actually gained ground.

    Area is not big - but Ukraine is saying there are a lot of very dense minefields so overall approach is slow since a lot of clearing must be done for each portion of land. They learned to not rush and it seems new strategy is to push in multiple areas and slowly grind Russian forces and equipment and force them to disperse on large area. Quick liberation of larger portions of land is not priority right now. I think they are realistic, they also reported a lot of western weaponry to be badly performing or to be totally impractical in real conflict conditions lol.
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    Post  Werewolf Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:15 pm

    The biggest supporters of this war in and outside Ukraine are the ones that have either fled to Germany and are "bravely" waving their Ukro flags from safe distance or the ones that are in Dnepro, Lvov and especially the paid ЦИПСО who are making propaganda just to avoid being drafted to the artillery meat grinder.

    We see so many videos how they are violently try to hold the drafters away from them. So many videos showing the forceful drafting and deploying to the meatgrinder or getting killed for "desertion" and alike.

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    Post  Belisarius Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:20 pm

    In the area of the beachhead at the Kherson bridge, the Ukrainian military finally decided to flee, but their transports were hit by suicide drones.
    https://t.me/intelslava/49694

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:21 pm

    The most telling is the latest survey about the number of families affected by the loss of someone.
    It was 60% who either lost someone or know in person someone who lost someone.
    That gives us the real scale, and I would say we are floating around 400k KIA as we speak.

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    Post  Mir Wed Jul 05, 2023 5:23 pm

    mr_high-on-meths wrote:last information is that overall area is going well over 160 square kilometers so far.

    I know you like to read Forbes but even they grudgingly admitted to the disastrous counter offensive after they compared it to the "glorious" desert race during the Iraqi invasion! Laughing

    Anyway good luck - you only have 17,233,868 km2 to go! Rolling Eyes

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/06/27/25-tanks-and-fighting-vehicles-gone-in-a-blink-the-ukrainian-defeat-near-mala-tokmachka-was-worst-than-we-thought/?sh=203e7b8f7918

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/06/13/borrowing-tactics-from-the-us-army-the-ukrainian-marine-corps-is-thundering-through-russian-lines-in-fast-moving-columns/?sh=4df74b745fb6

    ...so thundering became grinding to a halt? What a Face

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed Jul 05, 2023 7:19 pm

    mr_hd wrote:Today Ukraine officially reports some kind of success on southern flank around Bakhmut, Klishchiivka area.

    Since Putin proclaimed that Ukraine offensive is basically broken in just few days - Ukraine first liberated 100square kilometers and 7 villages, then additionally 30 square kilometers more last week and two villages and now last information is that overall area is going well over 160 square kilometers so far. So each past three weeks Ukraine actually gained ground.

    Area is not big - but Ukraine is saying there are a lot of very dense minefields so overall approach is slow since a lot of clearing must be done for each portion of land. They learned to not rush and it seems new strategy is to push in multiple areas and slowly grind Russian forces and equipment and force them to disperse on large area. Quick liberation of larger portions of land is not priority right now. I think they are realistic, they also reported a lot of western weaponry to be badly performing or to be totally impractical in real conflict conditions lol.

    When I was a graduate teaching assistant at a mid sized US university, I had a student who constantly came to class reeking of marijuana.  His first test? 0.  He literally wrote nothing down.  His midterm? 0 he didn't even bother to show up for the exam.  His 3rd test? 8.  Major improvement.  The stoner did it.  He got a full 8 points.  Success!!!!!

    The fundamental problem was that while he got an 8, the test was for 100 points.  He withdrew shortly thereafter.  So yeah, in a way, my stoner student - even though that idiot waited too long to get out with just a W for withdrawal and therefore ended up with a WF for withdrawal Fail - proved to be less of a failure than the Ukrowehrmacht.  After all, at least that dumb motherfucker began to grasp, albeit much too late to do him much good, that he was in over his head.  

    In short, the cocaine snorter in chief of Nazi Banderastan should take the advice of a pothead and drop out of this nonsensical war.  He won't be able to undo the 250,000+ dead and 750,000 wounded, and Russia will never return Kherson, Donetsk, Lugansk, or Zaprozhiye but by dropping out now Cocainsky can prevent a further loss of life and even more territorial losses.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jul 05, 2023 7:43 pm

    mr_hd wrote:Today Ukraine officially reports some kind of success on southern flank around Bakhmut, Klishchiivka area....

    Many of my students have officially reported some kind of success on doing their homeworks

    Upon closer inspection their reports have been found to be complete fabrication after which they were graded appropriately and mocked generously






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    Post  Hole Wed Jul 05, 2023 7:59 pm

    Li Hui, did not believe that the Patriot system was able to intercept the Kingzhal 
    The guy is too old to believe in fairytales.

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    Post  mnztr Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:30 pm

    Belisarius wrote:In the area of the beachhead at the Kherson bridge, the Ukrainian military finally decided to flee, but their transports were hit by suicide drones.
    https://t.me/intelslava/49694

    At this stage of the war no one looking out for drones? No evasive maneuvers? No one bailing out of the boat before the hit? They are clearly scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point.

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    Post  mnztr Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:33 pm

    Belisarius wrote:Ukrainian Defence Minister Oleksiy Reznikov has admitted that Russian electronic warfare (EWC) systems can suppress GPS-guided munitions and HIMARS MLRS - Financial Times

    He also lamented that China's special envoy for Eurasian affairs, Li Hui, did not believe that the Patriot system was able to intercept the Kingzhal and left without waiting for evidence from Kiev.

    https://t.me/Slavyangrad/53405



    He was already fully briefed by Chinese intel who have reviewed the evidence and also been briefed by Russian intel. Probably told the Ukes to send any evidence to Chinese intel and they will review. why not get free intel on US Pukeriot system?

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:40 pm

    The problem for the Ukraine is that Zelensky entered office wanting peaceful resolution... that is what he ran his election on and why he won over Poroshenko, but after getting in he realised he doesn't get any say... the Biden family has to earn their money and no doubt lots of western very rich people are making lots of money in this conflict so they don't want it to stop either.

    Equally Zelensky walked away from peace deals with Russia over this and Europe has supported him every step of the way... none of them care about the dead Ukrainian soldiers... didn't then and don't now.

    Regarding talk of Ukrainian gains recently... well we know Kiev likes to tell lies so the best counter offensive is the made up one... there was talk from Kievs side that they realise they can't take back territory so they are shifting tactics to just try to kill as many Russians as they can.

    Sounds like the desperation of a loser.

    Talk of using Tochkas to deliver attacks on NPPs is amusing... Russian AD systems can shoot down Tochkas... so radiation readings 20km away from the NPP makes it pretty obvious that the nuclear material came with the missile and is not leaking from a damaged NPP.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:45 pm

    GarryB wrote:The problem for the Ukraine is that Zelensky entered office wanting peaceful resolution...

    No no no my friend.
    He was claiming so, while we have no idea what he really wanted.
    The whole Zelensky Project has been opened a long time ago, and I guess that the real masters of the puppets are hidden deeper than Kolomoyski.
    Ukraine was already divided and reconstructed as a private entity, where people were only needed to resolve some tasks on the ground.

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    Post  Werewolf Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:56 pm

    Regardless of what the actuality is of Zelenksy being involved or thrown into the plans as they have unfolded before him (more likely), what I am sure is, that this person will be unalived as soon as Ukraine has served it's purpose and of no use anymore. Probably will be killed by CIA and blamed on Russia to mobilize Poland, Germany, Czech, Pre-baltics and Romania with scare tactics that "You are next".

    Right now I see more and more Kazakhstan issue brewing. Takaev is an idiot and sellout. He signed agreements with the Anglo-Saxons to build bio-laboratories. This alone is pretext for war and Russia will have to act. Such an idiot can not remain in power as under him only nazism is growing and Muricans are getting more and more land and control over Kazakhstan.

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    Post  PhSt Wed Jul 05, 2023 9:30 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Regardless of what the actuality is of Zelenksy being involved or thrown into the plans as they have unfolded before him (more likely), what I am sure is, that this person will be unalived as soon as Ukraine has served it's purpose and of no use anymore. Probably will be killed by CIA and blamed on Russia to mobilize Poland, Germany, Czech, Pre-baltics and Romania with scare tactics that "You are next".

    This is the most likely outcome but I think Russia can find an opportunity in the situation where the Baltics increase their belligerent attitude towards Russia, bait them to attack Russia first then continue to liberate this NATO occupied Russian territory.


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    Right now I see more and more Kazakhstan issue brewing. Takaev is an idiot and sellout. He signed agreements with the Anglo-Saxons to build bio-laboratories. This alone is pretext for war and Russia will have to act. Such an idiot can not remain in power as under him only nazism is growing and Muricans are getting more and more land and control over Kazakhstan.


    There is an article on RT about this increasing NATO efforts to expand its influence in Central Asia. I am sure Russia's leadership is aware of such actions by NATO, however, I hope that Russia is allocating the much needed response to this creeping NATO influence project. Because of the region's proximity to China, NATO influence in Central Asia is also a threat to China, and therefore it is in China's interest to see that this NATO project does not prosper.

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    Post  Firebird Wed Jul 05, 2023 9:52 pm

    Big question is... what would be more valuable to the Russian world?
    And what would have the best cost-benefit analysis?
    The Baltic states or Kazakstan?
    ie which should come first?

    Either way, Russia is making a huge error by refusing to destabilise GATO states in response to the atrocities they committed in the Pukraine and elsewhere.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Jul 06, 2023 1:18 am

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    Post  d_taddei2 Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:25 am

    Well a bit slow to admit but they eventually did it.
    UK finally admits counteroffensive was a sh*tshow.

    Official statement.

    "In recent weeks, Russia has prioritised and refined tactics aimed at slowing Ukrainian armoured counter-offensive operations in southern Ukraine

    The core of this approach has been Russia’s very heavy use of anti-tank mines. In some areas the density of its minefields indicate that it has likely used many more mines than laid down in its military doctrine

    Having slowed the Ukrainian advance, Russia has then attempted to strike Ukrainian armoured vehicles with one-way attack uncrewed aerial vehicles, attack helicopters and artillery.

    Although Russia has achieved some success with this approach in the early stages of Ukraine’s counter-offensive, its forces continue to suffer from key weaknesses, especially overstretched units and a shortage of artillery munitions."

    What's funny is the last part I think they got that mixed up should have read NATOs shortage of artillery munitions lol!

    Also USA media and officials have been making comments as such as
    "that the Ukrainian counteroffensive has experienced a slow start, and the outcomes observed in the initial weeks have been described as sobering.”

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:59 am

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    Post  Backman Thu Jul 06, 2023 4:32 am

    Belisarius wrote:In the area of the beachhead at the Kherson bridge, the Ukrainian military finally decided to flee, but their transports were hit by suicide drones.
    https://t.me/intelslava/49694

    What is wrong with these ppl ? Nobody I know or I have ever known, would sign up for a suicide mission like this. Even if we all agreed that we were fighting a legit enemy. This is the kind of stuff that the Iraqi US trained military refused to do. Just why ?

    Maybe they are brainwashed with fake intel ? Maybe they were told that the Russians are pulling out of the area ?

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    Post  Backman Thu Jul 06, 2023 4:40 am

    Werewolf wrote:

    Right now I see more and more Kazakhstan issue brewing. Takaev is an idiot and sellout. He signed agreements with the Anglo-Saxons to build bio-laboratories. This alone is pretext for war and Russia will have to act. Such an idiot can not remain in power as under him only nazism is growing and Muricans are getting more and more land and control over Kazakhstan.

    As far as I am concerned, Takaev is a CIA agent. Yet Xi and Putin wine and dine with him to their SCO shindigs. Xi and Putin are too soft. They should prepare a crippling dual sanctions package for Kazakhstan. Give him a week to straighten out and if not, bring the hammer down. Or maybe target him personally. Tell him how it is going to be.

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    Post  PhSt Thu Jul 06, 2023 6:09 am

    Firebird wrote:Big question is... what would be more valuable to the Russian world?
    And what would have the best cost-benefit analysis?
    The Baltic states or Kazakstan?
    ie which should come first?

    Both are equally important and essential to restoring Russia's power. However, because of the proximity of the Baltics (and Finland) and their capacity to be used as springboard for a NATO invasion, The Baltics and Finland needs to be the first to be liberated.

    Russia's borders with Kazakhstan may be more exposed and less defended, but Kazakhstan itself does not the the military force like NATO. In addition, its more difficult for NATO to ferry supplies to their Kazakh collaborators in the event of hostilities against Russia. Plus, its also easier for China to lend Russia some help in case the Kazakhs go full Ukraine. So this direction for the future Special Liberation Operation can wait a little later.


    Firebird wrote:
    Either way, Russia is making a huge error by refusing to destabilise GATO states in response to the atrocities they committed in the Pukraine and elsewhere.

    I agree. Russia needs to destabilize NATO countries, especially those next to its border, as they are an existential threat to Russia's national security.

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