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    Post  Regular Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:46 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:
    another RF KA-52 engaging an vehicle on the highway, assumed to be Wagner.
    you can see the burning oil depot in the background. Where an KA-52 was fired upon with AA.

    https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8/RF-KA-52-strikes-(assumed)-wagner-vehicle-on-highway:e
    And when I thought this is over, it pulls me back…

    What exactly are they engaging? Civies filmed the road and there were no wrecks? Why shot down helicopters have crews reported as  “injured”? 

    What about cargo planes?

    Both army and wagner have sympathies amongst people, hence the civilians not fearing soldiers and taking pictures. But there is no popular support for this march. Timing alone makes it stupid. You do this after defeats, not during middle of successful defence.

    Nothing of this makes sense. 4-5 hours till Moscow… and then what? Replace Shoigu and Gerasimov with who exactly? What about the government 🤦‍� majority of Wagneris are ex military themselves, of of course they will criticise MOD, but signing up for a coup? This is out of the blue

    sepheronx wrote:Apparently Zelensky shows support for Prigohzin.

    Lol
    Sheesh? It means prigo has no hope then. But if it was up to Prigozhin, he would have been calibrated on day 1 or during some hollywood celebrity meeting
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:50 pm

    It is strange

    Military equipment is surging on the border with Ukraine

    The entire deployment is occurring, formations are going everywhere

    Look at the Wagner birdie

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    Post  Regular Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:58 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:It is strange

    Military equipment is surging on the border with Ukraine

    The entire deployment is occurring,  formations are going everywhere

    Look at the Wagner birdie
    Zapo region? Stable frontline, strike packages being delivered, work continues. Like nothing is happening. Now I think, why there are no clashes with Rosgvardiya. They are everywhere. PMC column wouldn’t go far.

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    Post  Godric Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:01 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Garry, why do YOU ​​tolerate the trolls you mentioned ?

    This is a forum... no member agreed to think what I think or agree with everything I believe to be true.

    How do you censor people to make them right?

    How do you censor people to make them smart or sensible?

    If I banned every idiot claiming the sky is falling or repeating western propaganda verbatim it would only be a matter of time before someone else got pissed off and stepped up and took their place and forum clown.


    how about nailing them to a wooden cross then set them on fire via a WW2 flame thrower 😉


    btw you are doing a great job Garry


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    Post  par far Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:08 pm

    Prigozhin is a total idiot, he could have made money, been an Hero of Russia, and could have lived a nice life for himself and his family in Russia but now he will be hang for treason.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:14 pm

    ALAMO wrote:It's a bit too high level to be considered as a show ...
    Seems Prigozin get nuts for real.

    Road from hero to zero will be short I guess.

    By the way, in local shitstream there is a full coverage already about "mutiny in Russia". This time they didn't need five days for that Laughing

    Well I've said my piece about why I consider this scenario impossible. I don't want to repeat it, let's hope this whole thing works, whatever they're planning.


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    Post  limb Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:14 pm

    Russian civilians should gather around the putchists and dare them to shoot at them if the wagnerites think theyre patriots.


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    Post  Arsenic Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:14 pm

    Prigozhin must be neutralized as quickly as possible. This is high treason! In the middle of a war, an attempt to overthrow the government! It's unforgivable, and everyone involved will have to pay a high price for this treason!

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:16 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:It is strange

    Military equipment is surging on the border with Ukraine

    The entire deployment is occurring, formations are going everywhere

    Look at the Wagner birdie

    Oh yeah, totally as planned /s

    I'm sure that suckers bleeding on the frontlines are appreciating the boost in morale





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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:29 pm

    There's no attempt to actually stop them

    No spikes are laid on the roads, they just drive at full speed

    Nothing is really being done, some military equipment is moving about, but no coordinated police or government response

    So it begs the question - what are we seeing ?

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    Post  par far Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:34 pm

    Russian government needs to move fast and get this under control very fast. And I think they will.

    One good thing out of this, is that any hidden 5th column will come to light.

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    Post  mnztr Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:39 pm

    As I said, this is why time is critical in war. The longer you drag it out the more unexpected events can come from out of the blue.

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    Post  Regular Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:44 pm

    limb wrote:Russian civilians should gather around the putchists and dare them to shoot at them if the wagnerites think theyre patriots.
    Civilians should stay the **** out of this. Both RuGov and Wagners asked this.

    Apart from few people scolding them, they were greeted warmly, some people gave water, icecream and food for them. As some say, everyone in Russia knows someone who served in PMCs at some point as well. 

    But this sentiment can fade quickly. If they act like animals or overstay. 

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    Post  Regular Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:50 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:There's no attempt to actually stop them

    No spikes are laid on the roads, they just drive at full speed

    Nothing is really being done, some military equipment is moving about,  but no coordinated police or government response

    So it begs the question  - what are we seeing ?

    Akhmat are moving to Rostov region with BTR-82A so we might see clashes.

    If not, then it will be circus. 

    Anyway, if it’s real and they manage to enact coup, then to hell with this government if they let it happen. They have all the means to stop them
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:54 pm

    When did Prighozin become the commander of the Wagner forces? When did he become part of the chain of command in any way? It has been pointed out repeatedly that he is just a businessman and chief publicist for Wagner. He has little to no real military experience, much less command experience. Can someone in that position actually issue military commands and have forces that are not technically or practically under his command obey? Command by social media, basically? Nonsense!

    Moving multiple whole divisions around requires the efforts of the entire command staff from squad leaders up to major generals. The chef cannot just assume command and the troops self-organize in a huge mass to follow his orders. That is Hollywood silliness and fairy tales. Military formations have officer corps for a reason, and that is, even with well-trained troops, giving direction to more than a couple dozen soldiers at a time is like herding cats. One guy cannot command a division without an entire hierarchy of officers to coordinate and keep everyone on task.

    So whatever is going on with Wagner, the entire officer corps is onboard with it. And Prighozin is not at the top of that chain of command.

    Posted by: William Gruff

    Pretty much this

    And I don't want to elaborate. All these theories about Prigozhin going mad dog, or being bought by the West, or whatever, fall by the wayside when you consider what's written above.
    And then - what explanations are left?

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    Post  sepheronx Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:04 pm

    Yes, the lack of actual response from Moscow makes this bizarre. The government can end it now but they haven't.

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    Post  Regular Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:05 pm

    https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1672604899077505026

    Chechens are entering Rostov. There are animosity between Wagner and Akhmat, dating from Mariupol. This has much more potential turning bloody
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    Post  Isos Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:08 pm

    Funny everyone say it's a coup when the guy just said he wants Choigu and Gerasimov to be replaced by competant guys.

    Meanwhioe this could be ended by just bombing the vehicles on the highways but they aren't doing it. And there is no clashes.

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    Post  Regular Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:14 pm

    https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1672601125722234881?s=20


    For those who still remember chechen wars… Chechens moving to Rostov are playing Dudaevs chechen resistance music Rolling Eyes It makes as much sense as playing Scottish windpipes in this situation


    https://youtu.be/Iyda8qth9Hg

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:16 pm

    Who launches a coup to replace the Chief of the General Staff and the Defence Minister, but not the political leadership?

    It's like buying out a restaurant. But leaving the previous owner in place. You don't want to manage it or profit from it yourself, you just want to replace the head waiter.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:22 pm

    Godric wrote:

    how about nailing them to a wooden cross then set them on fire via a WW2 flame thrower 😉

    btw you are doing a great job Garry

    Or the way the Church preferred, nailed to the door of the church and skinned alive Shocked Shocked Shocked
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    Post  kvs Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:28 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Yes, the lack of actual response from Moscow makes this bizarre.  The government can end it now but they haven't.

    Since we are all in tin foil hat land, I wonder if NATzO did not have deeply embedded assets in Russia on which it was banking for regime change.
    NATzO has been dementedly cocky about regime change in Russia if one assumes that they were expecting some propaganda induced popular
    uprising. We have seen how the 1990s ushered in an era of hard core comprador elites in the former USSR. Ukraine is a fine example. Russia
    cannot be immune even if it did not go down the Ukraine path. So a large fraction of the 1990s ascendant elite may be still on NATzO's "payroll"
    and has been biding its time after Putin put the clamps down in the early 2000s. He did not exterminate them, so they are still a risk.

    I have no information about the level of threat from the comprador elite faction but these events indicate that they are not toothless. This seems
    to be another purge opportunity moment like the period shortly after the start of the SVO where a slew of 5th column idiots ran off to the west.
    Putin needs to root out the slime from the 1990s once and for all.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:31 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:There's no attempt to actually stop them

    No spikes are laid on the roads, they just drive at full speed

    Nothing is really being done, some military equipment is moving about, but no coordinated police or government response

    So it begs the question - what are we seeing ?

    You are seeing nation collapsing from within

    It's been nearly a day and that clown is still alive?

    What a fùcking joke of a country





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    Post  par far Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:33 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Yes, the lack of actual response from Moscow makes this bizarre.  The government can end it now but they haven't.

    The reason that they are not "ending it fast" is that they don't want any bloodshed inside Russia, there are likely high level diplomatic negations going on with Wagner.

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    Post  Isos Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:35 pm

    Wagner soldiers are there just for money. They won't start a war against Russian forces. This all staged. Get real. Most are not even Russians.

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