Prigozhin mutiny thread

GunshipDemocracy wrote:That could be rationale behind "Wagner's coup" as long  as no people died... there can be pokazukha to identify internal traitors waiting for this kind of situation.  I still hope it is...
Otherwise there would be massive bloodshed already.

I hope this "mole hunt " will work

There are reports that the 'opposition' Belarussian forces/rebels are being activated by NATO

So yeah it's beginning to look like NATO's gambit to mobilize all the useful idiots it has remaining in Russia and Belarus and go for a last-ditch 'regime overthrow' now that the Ukrainian offensive has petered out into catastrophe.
No doubt they would have agreed something with Prigozhin as well, or rather thought that they did. Because I can't see that Prigozhin and Russian intelligence would be doing anything other than playing along with this whole thing, so that the real traitors can show their hand.

PapaDragon wrote:Oh I'm sure Russian grunts are totally focused on the job after hearing about this shitshow back home

I'm totally focused on playing Star Wars: Battlefront II, so I'm quite sure the grunts on the front-line will be focused on their own important work too, they're professionals.

Stealthflanker wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

So yeah it's beginning to look like NATO's gambit to mobilize all the useful idiots it has remaining in Russia and Belarus and go for a last-ditch 'regime overthrow' now that the Ukrainian offensive has petered out into catastrophe.
No doubt they would have agreed something with Prigozhin as well, or rather thought that they did. Because I can't see that Prigozhin and Russian intelligence would be doing anything other than playing along with this whole thing, so that the real traitors can show their hand.

It would be extremely cynical if it turns out Prigo's heart was always in Russia all along, real traitors lured out and shot.  Tho those crews of Mi-17,35 and An/Il-18 that got downed tho might not agree.

I'm skeptical as to who and what was allegedly shot down. The videos were unclear, and who would pull the trigger?

It's all fog of war for now, a clearer picture will emerge a little later

Prigozhin if he played his cards right and helped win this war for Russia would put him in good stead for being appointed to some figurehead in the newly liberated areas, it would also make Wagner a much sought after service by foreign governments as well as a tool for the Russian government (at a cost of course) it could also make him seem as a hero and could launch a political career for himself. And he would get even more rich from all this.

Instead he's taken a very risky, silly gamble which not only has a very highly impossible win in his favour but he stands to lose everything, money, credibility, his Wagner, his freedom, even his life.

I find this whole situation highly strange, a man who was willing to fight for the Russian government risking his and Wagner's lives in what I would say is the biggest risk and challenge Wagner have ever faced, and he screams of patriotism during this so-called coup. There is nothing patriotic about trying to undermine a government and military of the country you say you hold so dear to your heart and potentially causing issues to troops on the Frontline that's definitely not the best interests of the Russian troops or civilians back home. He's also risking civilian life in the areas he's operating in Russia and putting Wagner lives at risk. Even he cant be that dumb thinking he can challenge Putin,  military leadership, and FSB along with the might of the Russian armed forces.

The Russian population ain't going to rally round a billionaire who owns a mercenary company who was largely unheard of until they got involved in Ukraine, and likes to have an uncontrollable rant on social media. The Russian population don't want civil unrest especially at time when the west are hellbent on destroying Russia.

I personally think Prigozhin should take serious look at himself his actions even before this were highly unpatriotic and unprofessional. And he his behavior is shameful and discredits the lives of Russian forces, Donbass troops, Wagner, and civilians who have lost their lives during this conflict.

Prigozhin will end up dead, or rotting in a jail for the rest of his life with all his fortune seized. He should have did the right thing and spoke behind closed doors with any issues he had and sorted them out. He has to remember he's a boss of a mercenary company not a prime minister, president or general he needs to remember his place. As I said he should have played his cards right and he would have been highly rewarded in many ways.

And as for saying Wagner troops following the money and Prigozhin has plenty of money to offer them. Well you can't spend that money if your dead or locked up rotting in a jail cell for the rest of your life.

This of course could all be a western ploy. Convince Prigozhin he has a chance to overthrow Russian government etc, the west knowing fine well he will fail. But in turn this causes an embarrassment for Putin, causes a distraction for Russia during the war and distracts the western media from the failing Ukrainian counteroffensive while discrediting Wagner and making Russia lose an effective tool in its arsenal (Wagner) the west and Ukraine know exactly how effective Wagner are and certainly don't want them to return to the battlefield and what better way than to hatch this plan it has multiple benefits for the west and Ukraine and zero benefits for Russia. Of course this is just a pie in the sky theory.

I hope this turns out to be a billionaire who just threw his toys out the pram because he didn't get his own way and a small group Wagner decided to go along with him. I doubt the whole of Wagner are involved in this. And Russia won't want to arrest or kill the whole of Wagner they are after all useful tool. We might find only Prigozhin and a few die hards are arrested or killed and the rest will be pardoned if they sign military contracts a d join the fight against Ukraine.

Arsenic wrote:Only 2 options for Wagner's troops:

Option 1. Lay down their arms

Option 2. Die as traitors

I agree.

But what about the Kremlin? Should Kremlin continue its course without any chances in personnel (hint: Shoigu, Gerasimov) and policy after this?

How about treating the "SMO" as a war finally?

Arsenic wrote:@Karl Haushofer

For me it's a war, not SMO.

What's happening with Wagner right now is very serious and unforgivable!

Wagner is endangering Russia for bullshit! That's no way to solve problems!



I hope Prigozhin's close guard kills him, because that's what could happen and that would be the best option! Russia first, the rest must be settled around a table!

I don't agree with what Wagner is doing.

But this would not have happened had the Kremlin and MOD treated this conflict property as a war since the start.

Putin is seen as a weak leader who needs to be replaced with a strongman. This is the root cause for what is happening.