You have missed the point.
Sure nobody could have forbidden him from recording and airing these materials.
Yet he did that not once, not twice, but multiple times.
And that my friend leaves a question valid.
It only works in the deluded west where Putin is a hard core dictator that controls everything from street sweepers to US elections... it would even work in the US where potential rival candidates for the next election get investigated by government agencies to try to put them in prison so they can't run against you next election, but we are talking about putin and we are talking about Russia.
We considered that as some act of maskirovka, I was repeatedly saying that no idea if that is a show or a shit show.
We are talking about a hot head idiot and Putin... Putin might take advantage of the stupid things he does and says, but would you think he would really be part of a plan that creates division in Russia in a time of war?
It was Putin's weakness and his endless "6d chess games" that led to this.
It is funny that in the west thinking things through is seen as a weakness... pretty much explains the situation the west is in, because they got there from positions of strength didn't they... spending trillions every year to create the massive MIC in the US and Europe and creating HATO to protect europe from every having a war again... except they got involved in lots of wars didn't they... time to rethink... nah... that would be weakness... more money for MIC.
I said this already in 2014 when Putin stopped the DPR/LPR forces (after listening to threats from Merkel) from decimating Ukrainian military (when it was soundly defeated) with those foolish Minsk protocols. Later even Merkel herself admitted that the only reason the Minsk protocols were signed was to give Kiev time to rebuild its military to take back Crimea.
It only becomes a mistake after you learn the enemy was lying and was supported by bigger liars and criminals.
And when Russia finally started its "SMO" after eight years of shelling of Donbass it was not done in a proper way. The Ukrainian leadership should have been decimated in day 1 with a barrage of missile strikes to Kiev decision making centers. The same way the West wages its wars.
Except those decision making areas would be empty wouldn't they?
And once you try your chances of ever getting them together again for another go drop to zero.
Instead Russia chose the "soft approach" because Putin still considered Ukrainians as brotherly people. This led to thousands and thousands of dead Russian soldiers and a long stalemate in the front. Russia has already lost more soldiers in Ukraine than the Americans did in Vietnam.
It also led to four regions in the Ukraine voting to become part of the Russian federation.
The war also relieved a wide spread incompetence among the Russian military.
It has also revealed political and military incompetence within HATO, which is more telling... the building blocks of western defence and attack is air power and this conflict shows how fragile that really is... as if Kosovo didn't already show that... almost 80 days and they did not degrade their air defence very much at all despite it all being totally obsolete.
The Wagner PMC emerged as the only really capable fighting force among the Russian troops.
Bullshit. They are mercenaries optimised for house to house fighting and that is what they used them for and they were effective, but as we found out... totally dependent on the Russian military for ammo and support.
But what I do know that none of this would have happened if Russia had a better and more competent leadership and military.
You confuse competency with clairvoyance... being a good general is not about anticipating every possible thing the enemy might do and having contingency plans for every single option, it is about responding to enemy attacks that does not involve using the same ineffective tactics over and over and over again.
You know... like HATO trained and planned Nazi attacks have been doing, and the Russians haven't been doing.
Does Putin now regret starting the SMO?
If you wanna start a war then start a war. Not an SMO.
When the numbers of Russian dead come in I am sure he feels it personally... unlike western countries including your own feeding money and ammo and weapons to make this conflict last as long as possible.
Maybe Russia should be nuking Europe?
If multiple reports from TG are true, Wagner has Pantsirs in Voronezh. Operating from city itself and they shot down An-26.
Sounds like you should stop reading TG.
Well I still think it's a show for pushing ukro into a big offensive.
Way too risky... Putin would never be part of such a plan because hot heads on both sides could do some real damage...
And you can bet your arse the west are going to hype this all out of proportion...
Maybe if Progozin were to say that Putin is being too soft and that if he got into power he would be nuking the entire west as punishment for this situation (Ukraine)... then perhaps it might be an effective wakeup call to western politicians... but even then I doubt it.
There is video of the An-25 going down. Won't post it, terrible sight.
Which begs the question why would they shoot down a small transport plane... it was clearly no threat to them...
Ukrainians were also bothered by the personal statements of the pope, who, for example, stated that "NATO's barking at the gates of Russia" was partly responsible for the SVO and was widely interpreted as an expression of attachment to Moscow.
Ironic that Kiev states that if you believe the truth then you are on Moscows side...
Ukrainian insiders report that the Office of the President instructed the SBU and CIPSO to use the entire network of telegram channels in Russia to escalate the situation in Russian society.
And we see them working hard even here...
As an aside. How on earth did General Surovikin get to this level of authority with only those medals on his chest??? In the US military only General Eisenhower had similar after his successes in WW2.
Western military leaders can get a campaign ribbon simply by spending a weekend in Bagdad or Kosovo and tend to award themselves all the medals they possibly can...
The other claim eg by Mil Summary Channel is that twattishness by Prick-ozin justifies full mobilisation by Russia... and even martial law.
Everyone uses unexpected events to promote their own views... some will demand full war declaration because Wagner losing their military contract with Russia is all Bidens fault, while others with a different agenda will demand Shoigu and Putin step down for not doing this or for doing that...
Probably a pure coincidence and a little early (vide the NATO 11/7 meeting) but notice that this is taking all the pressure off the UA offensive failures plus the air out of the Zelensky 'Russia going to bomb ZNPP' PR campaign?
A completely pure coincidence...
The same way things happened during WW2, the US mic will rump up production and Ukraine will be more powerful than Russia except for nukes
They could have all the weapons and ammo in the world, but who wants to march slowly towards the Russian artillery and air power?
Doesn't matter how well trained you are, and what vehicle you are in... those Leopard IIs were supposed to be their best... they are running out of men... how long before they start appealing to the west by saying... we are modern 21st century western country... we are now going to draft women... femenists would shit themselves... and western politicians would say that peace is needed... most of their whores come from the Ukraine and eastern Europe.
If there are dead people then this pysop is criminal. Russia does not need such NATzO style dirty tricks.
This is not the sort of bullshit game Putin plays... normally he lets the west attack and then creates a response that does damage to the west but not to Russia. Western attacks more often damage their own interests and make Russia more independent, therefore making Russia actually stronger.
Oh yeah, totally as planned /s
I'm sure that suckers bleeding on the frontlines are appreciating the boost in morale
There is no way this sort of division was planned, but that does not mean they can't take advantage of the distraction.
And I don't want to elaborate. All these theories about Prigozhin going mad dog, or being bought by the West, or whatever, fall by the wayside when you consider what's written above.
And then - what explanations are left?
Sounds like he lost a lucrative contract and is having a tantrum... a tantrum that will likely get him into very serious trouble.
Meanwhioe this could be ended by just bombing the vehicles on the highways but they aren't doing it. And there is no clashes.
I would say murdering them all would be a bit extreme considering essentially all they are doing at the moment is going somewhere to protest.
In such situations, they need to be dealt with harshly to set an example to others who may attempt the same thing.
I would think a road block and a serious chat to these guys would be more sensible... these are guys who have been killing nazis in the Ukraine and all of a sudden you want the executed from the sky like dogs?
In any case they can't let this continue. It should have ended quickly with Prigohzin either dead or arrested. They didn't.
So you believe the democrat version of reality... Putin the despot who murders everyone who gets in his way... hahahaha.
Sounds more like the Clintons I would suggest.
Gotta kill them because a court case means testimony that might incriminate Bill or Hilary...
First the Titanic dive craft saga being exploited to the full, even tho' the USN heard what happened in realtime.
Second, Wagner revolt in Russia.
Almost made in heaven or co-incidence?
Not coincidence, but also not planned... they took advantage of something that happened... it could have been anything at all... it could have been a mass school shooting in the US that Biden would ban assault rifles for...
That could be rationale behind "Wagner's coup" as long as no people died... there can be pokazukha to identify internal traitors waiting for this kind of situation. I still hope it is...
Otherwise there would be massive bloodshed already.
This coup seems to be about losing their contract with the Army, identifying internal traitors is just an added bonus they get out of the situation... a bit like western sanctions allowed Putin to ban cheap food imports into Russia from the EU and build up Russians food industry without breaking WTO rules.
I hope this "mole hunt " will work
Every opportunity they get they will do that for sure... the branch responsible for mole hunts works 24/7.... it is what they do.
The best thing that Russia can do now is, put an end quickly to Prigozhin and Wagner situation and just level Ukraine.
The Wagner issue will end when it ends and Ukraine is ticking along as well as can be expected.
As soon as Prigozhin made his first outrageous statements, he should have been removed...
He runs Wagner... who could "remove him".
Being a dick does not mean his services were not valuable to Russia.
So far I am unimpressed with the reaction of Russian security forces. They are sending cops to defend against Wagner? May as well send old ladies. They are not reacting with speed Wagner is now 250 miles from Moscow and has not met any significant opposition.
Sending attack helicopters or Iskanders would be a bit over kill for a group going to protest...
I don't get this as well, why are they not reacting to this faster?
What are the chances that Prigozhin is set up by Russian intelligence in an attempt to get rid of him?
It is funny the people who want to execute these men in their convoy don't understand what effect that might have on their fellow Wagner comrades... your solutions are fucking ridiculous and would create a civil war you claim you are trying to prevent...
But what about the Kremlin? Should Kremlin continue its course without any chances in personnel (hint: Shoigu, Gerasimov) and policy after this?
Should the people managing the war be replaced every time a Russian billionaire has a tantrum or change of heart?
How about treating the "SMO" as a war finally?
Why would they change to a war because some oligarch has a melt down?
Let the Western press and enemies cheer... they misjudge the game, they misjudge the benefit to Russia and Putin. In the end, the breeding ground for a real coup is gone. The patriots will win and loud or silent enemies will be removed!
Very clever game.
Everything you are saying could be true, but I don't think it was all part of an elaborate plan to start with... I very much doubt Putin would risk such division... which is not to say the west have not been sniffing around everyone trying to get them to turn and anyone stupid or selfish enough to do so would be used to illuminate the 5th columnists from the patriots...
Wagner keeps going to Moscow
Do you think if they get there they can just throw the ring into the volcano and Putin will be destroyed?
I hate to ring the alarm here, but this is a very bad situation for Russia's international reputation.This is not to be taken lightly.A coup never happens out of thin air.
What coup?
This is nothing like what happened in Kiev in 2014.
They could be the most incompetent bunch of people in charge of a major country that ever existed. Even the Yeltsin regime might have been more competent than this.
Yes, because it is obvious the difference the effect of incompetence of Putin and his regime have created a Russia that is uniting the world against the evil colonial west, compared with the well organised and efficient Yeltsen regime that could open vodka bottles 1,000,000 times a day and no one noticed.
Yeltsen was the wests bitch and they fleeced him and Russia of everything they could get. Compare that with Putins time and you can clearly see which is incompetent...
But obviously I understand your wish to get rid of Putin and Shoigu etc because they make the west look weak and ineffective and they are destroying HATO via Ukraine on a battlefield with one hand held behind their backs...
Maybe Russia should create an AI from Putins brain and make him president forever...
And so far, they aren't doing anything but letting their own country get taken over by a small mercenary force with zero resistance.
Wagner driving down a road hardly equates to taking over anything at all... and why should they be stopped... Russia is a democracy, if they want to go to Moscow to talk things through with the military leadership then what is the problem?
Not sure what to make of it. But whatever it is, isn't actually good for Russia as I can't figure out what the plan is. Let them kill each other?
You are the fucking moron demanding Putin murder these guys, but Putin is to blame for them killing each other.
What are you drinking?
Only theory I have is Shoigu and Garasimov are behind it and that is only why the Akhmat are responding.
Surely it is the Pixies from the bottom of the garden that are doing all this... they are working with the lizard people to take over the world... but you see Russia is too cold for lizard people to survive... that is why the west has failed to conquer Russia all this time so now they are using the Pixie people to do it because they have nice warm fur coats and can work in the cold...
Currently, Russia isn't doing too good with this rebellion. It's literally becoming a one sided battle.
What battle... Putin is not interested in fighting his own people... he has made that clear several times... it is idiots on the internet who want a bloodbath...
Edit: im with some people here who are extremely concerned but also curious as to why the authorities aren't actually acting. Rybar said the same thing. Others said same thing. Lack of a real response.
Response to what?
Wagner has not invaded Russia, they can drive to moscow if they want to.
You've made your point numerous times. You are disappointed by the preparations the Russian military and law enforcement agencies are making in response to a rebellion Russian intelligence agencies organized. Yeah we get it, no need to repeat the same thing every few posts.
Except all the evidence pointing to insurrection come from social media known to be infiltrated by western intelligence losers...
So a guy that just lost his contract with the Russian military has a tantrum on line... that is all that has happened... and headless chickens are jumping up and down on both sides... Wagner has to be attacked, Putin has to go.... **** off.
So this is why there was no tough response, Lukashenko was negotiating with Prigohzin to get him to stop his tantrum.
No apology?
It was certainly someone's, and they fucked up big with this whole idea.
Why do you think this was planned?
Wagner was losing its contract with the Russian military and the owner said some stupid things and started doing some stupid things and when no one came out in support of him in Russia he seems to have backed down and taken an olive branch.
Funny he had a rant over the Russian military wasting the lives of his men and because of that he was going to send his men up against the Russian military and authorities... what a dick.
Just as well Putin didn't just napalm his convoys...
And this is why I don't believe the shoot down claims of the helis. But if this was indeed a controlled operation from within the GRU, this is rather very bad.
I doubt they would OK a mission to divide the country, it just makes no sense because such thing can get out of control very fast with hot headed idiots on both sides.
This will teach us once more a lesson, that this war is best to follow by watching the official Russkie MoD entries.
You won't be fooled more than by following the famous "telegrammers", and can get some real info instead.
Telegram, like most social media is filled with show boaters and attention whores, and also western intel drones that are paid to create content to fool the audience.
Don't forget that the generals not only didn't give him ammunition but also bombarded his camp.
He is owner of Wagner, he has nothing to do with the day to day planning and operations of Wagner... trying to kill him by bombing is military camp would be like trying to kill Musk by bombing a Tesla factory...
And we don't have any proof about any attack either.
What a fùcking joke of a country...
Problem solved and nobody died... sounds like the perfect solution to a nothing situation overhyped by idiots on both sides.
I guess I will hold out hope that they did this just to deescalate the standoff and will shoot him in the head in the next 48 hours.
Why shoot him... he is now a joke. All of Russia chose to not support him... even the Chechens and Communists said he was wrong to do what he did...
All the guys who followed him are leaving with him and the loyal Russians are joining the Russian army... what is not to like?
Perfect solution for Russia not having to kill nazi killers.
But some ppl are just laughing this off. Prigozhin being a Nato asset isn't something to laugh off
Most of the very rich love the west, because that is where their money has real power and they can have islands with slave girls and no one cares for at least a decade.
https://twitter.com/Trollstoy88/status/1672720838087389186?cxt=HHwWhMC9qayv2bYuAAAA
Which is why even videos on the internet should not be trusted... do we even know it was Progozin that posted that original video after looking at this one?
This thread is going to be locked for a few minutes while I do a bit of pruning... nothing will be deleted... just moved to new threads. When I have finished I will unlock this thread and indicate where the messages have moved to.[/quote]
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