If the government does not take action it has only itself to blame for being overthrown
It's madness to me the passivity of the Kremlin
It's open for everyone to watch , the whole world is just watching and they are making this play for everyone
mr_hd wrote:Russian vulnerabilities are now open to all world to see, there is no chance anymore to be hidden.
And war in Ukraine triggered power shift behind the scenes and everything went over edge. Russia is overstretched and deeply divided. And regime that Putin build last 15 years means security, intelligence, army, all pillars of the state are without head and this Wagner idiot is just walking through Russia with very careful plan for power grab. Putin failed and gambled huge historical chance to stabilize, modernize and integrate Russia on world stage. He concentrated too much power in his hands and now we see result of it. World leaders must now by all means support Putin and do whatever he needs to crush this rebellion and keep peace in Russia. War torn Russia would be nightmare for all world, no one sane wish that.
Arkanghelsk wrote:Wagner keeps going to Moscow
If the government does not take action it has only itself to blame for being overthrown
It's madness to me the passivity of the Kremlin
It's open for everyone to watch , the whole world is just watching and they are making this play for everyone
mr_hd wrote:Russian vulnerabilities are now open to all world to see, there is no chance anymore to be hidden.
And war in Ukraine triggered power shift behind the scenes and everything went over edge. Russia is overstretched and deeply divided. And regime that Putin build last 15 years means security, intelligence, army, all pillars of the state are without head and this Wagner idiot is just walking through Russia with very careful plan for power grab. Putin failed and gambled huge historical chance to stabilize, modernize and integrate Russia on world stage. He concentrated too much power in his hands and now we see result of it. World leaders must now by all means support Putin and do whatever he needs to crush this rebellion and keep peace in Russia. War torn Russia would be nightmare for all world, no one sane wish that.
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You can believe in that, however West is also much weaker now than 15-20 years ago, we almost had coup in US not long ago and there are deep social and political issues with lack of any gifted and strong leadership.... If things go bad in Russia and chaos grows further West would be powerless to contain it let alone to control it, Russia is simply way to large.Karl Haushofer wrote:mr_hd wrote:Russian vulnerabilities are now open to all world to see, there is no chance anymore to be hidden.
And war in Ukraine triggered power shift behind the scenes and everything went over edge. Russia is overstretched and deeply divided. And regime that Putin build last 15 years means security, intelligence, army, all pillars of the state are without head and this Wagner idiot is just walking through Russia with very careful plan for power grab. Putin failed and gambled huge historical chance to stabilize, modernize and integrate Russia on world stage. He concentrated too much power in his hands and now we see result of it. World leaders must now by all means support Putin and do whatever he needs to crush this rebellion and keep peace in Russia. War torn Russia would be nightmare for all world, no one sane wish that.
I doubt this.
Many people in the West would prefer to see Russian weakened and in chaos.
I hope you are right.flamming_python wrote:This is why half of Russia's population is just bemused or at best a little dumbfounded. Because we understand the general dynamics of our own country and our political system, elites and so on at least on an intuitive level if not academically.
Foreigners don't, hence why they're all running around like headless chickens and proclaiming civil war in Russia, or a 'power shift', or whatever.
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Russia still has time, but it has to take tough actions against any hostility and reassure the global south that Russia's internal political stability is rock solid and there is no need to worry about any future political discontent inside Russia.
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sepheronx wrote:It doesn't matter what other countries think. What matters is what Russia does. Amd so far, they aren't doing anything but letting their own country get taken over by a small mercenary force with zero resistance. So now Chechens are moving into Rostov. So what will happen? Chechens start killing Russians again?
Anyway, Putin fucked up badly here. Especially tue MoD. I mean, a **** up worst than seen in African countries. The VDV can solve this rather quickly. They aren't being used. Instead everyone is sitting still doing nothing
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Arsenic wrote:We're starting to see images of a KA-52 "shot down by Wagner", there's even talk of an MI-35 and MI-8 shot down...and a downed IL-18 (22) aircraft....
Is this a Russian maneuver???
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flamming_python wrote:sepheronx wrote:It doesn't matter what other countries think. What matters is what Russia does. Amd so far, they aren't doing anything but letting their own country get taken over by a small mercenary force with zero resistance. So now Chechens are moving into Rostov. So what will happen? Chechens start killing Russians again?
Anyway, Putin fucked up badly here. Especially tue MoD. I mean, a **** up worst than seen in African countries. The VDV can solve this rather quickly. They aren't being used. Instead everyone is sitting still doing nothing
So then come to your conclusions as to why they aren't being used and why on the whole chessboard only the Wagner and Akhmat chess pieces are being moved.
mnztr wrote:Only theory I have is Shoigu and Garasimov are behind it and that is only why the Akhmat are responding.
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sepheronx wrote:Arsenic wrote:We're starting to see images of a KA-52 "shot down by Wagner", there's even talk of an MI-35 and MI-8 shot down...and a downed IL-18 (22) aircraft....
Is this a Russian maneuver???
No you aren't.
Those are old and unverified. Spread by people here. If it happened, then The Duran and Rybar would have reported it.
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flamming_python wrote:mnztr wrote:Only theory I have is Shoigu and Garasimov are behind it and that is only why the Akhmat are responding.
Behind what?
Shoigu and Gerasimov are bureaucrats who answer to Putin and the rest of the security council. They're not independent warlords with their own political ambitions.
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mnztr wrote:How can you say for sure? They may be frustrated that Putin has been too soft
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