Prigozhin mutiny thread

If US Intel knew what was coming, sure as hell the FSB did as well. "Come into my web" said the spider to the fly.

First two paras:-

US intelligence officials knew well in advance that Wagner head Yevgeny Prigozhin was planning to mount an armed rebellion against the Russian military's top commanders.

Congressional leaders were even briefed days prior to Saturday's events, after US intelligence reportedly observed the mercenary firm mustering forces and amassing weapons in preparation for possibly making a move against the defense ministry.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-intelligence-knew-days-advance-wagner-rebellion-briefed-congress

I don't understand why this mental case didn't just go down in flames ? Why didn't he fight to the death ? If he's insane enough to even think about this let alone try and carry it out , he's insane enough to just fight to the death. Maybe he will try a coup in Belarus next if someone doesn't do the right thing and shoot him in the head.

This was bad. But it could have been a lot worse. And it shouldn't have happened at all.

Prigozhin might not be off the hook yet. There was reports that some Wagner signed contracts with MOD and the rest that didn't would most likely head to Kiev. The ones who didn't sign contracts were most likely the ones who are due hard Prigozhin men. They might still get their punishment. If they do go into Kiev nothing to say they won't be killed or """"accidentally"""""" shelled. More than one way to punish. And ask yourself why would Belarus want someone who tried a coup against Russia, when Prigozhin could try the same in Belarus.

So I wonder where General Mizintsev is now? Remember the Deputy Defense Minister that was transferred to be the deputy commander of Wagner back in the first of May.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Mizintsev

d_taddei2 wrote:Prigozhin might not be off the hook yet.

i really doubt he's off the hook at all. He just cannot be. It just remains to be seen where he is and what is going to happen.

Putin has an easy chance here to insert some dominance and kill Prigozin. People like a strong leader.

From one of my favourite sites. The commentators are heavily in favour of the $6.2B recently 'found' at the Pentagon, going the Prigozhin etc.

June 25, 2023 | Sundance | 38 Comments

Well, I have not written about the events with Wagner in Russia, in part because coincidentally I have a good source in St Petersburg who told me several days ago to look out for something with Wagner and Putin. Wagner’s leader, Yevgeny Prigozhin, was born in St Pete (Leningrad).

Born in 1961, Prigozhin grew up as a somewhat snarky Soviet Robin Hood, a street urchin who flowed invisibly between Finland and Leningrad in a black-market social circle that, well, let’s just say I am familiar with. When he was 20, Prigozhin was arrested for a heist and federally imprisoned for 9 years while the Soviet Union collapsed. When he exited prison Russia was different, and with St Pete now becoming a tourist destination, he joined the capitalist opportunity with a street food vending business.

Prigozhin is hard as nails, snarky as hell and very tricky. He is one of the apex gremlins and very much still connected to the streets, very connected. He was never connected to the towers of Russian politics as the West portrays. Prigozhin doesn’t have the pedigree nor the disposition for political power.

Let me put it this way, no one knows how to play gremlin mind games against the West better than Yevgeny Prigozhin. He’s a little bit like a less refined Oleg Deripaska, and much scruffier. Also remember, in February 2018, Prigozhin was one of 13 Russians indicted by Andrew Weissmann and Rod Rosenstein for interfering in the American election through the Internet Research Agency, lol {insert eyeroll}.

Here’s where it gets interesting. Don’t share this; it’s for CTH audience only. Back in April of this year, a blogger in St Pete named Vladlen Tatarsky (real name Maxim Fomin) was killed by a bomb disguised as a gift for his work reporting on behalf of free people in Russia. The bomb was inside a bust of Tatarsky given to him shortly before he was giving a speech in a cafe. A 26-year-old woman named Darya Trepova gave him the gift; she was arrested and disappeared.

Speculation, strong speculation, was that the cafe bomb was a CIA operation, because Tatarsky was considered an enemy of Ukraine. His death was a hit to the pro-Russia morale inside the region. The target, Vladlen Tatarsky, and the head of the Wagner mercenary military units, Yevgeny Priogozhin, were good friends.

Priogozhin wanted to go avenge Tatarsky’s death and remove any limits on rules of war/engagement in Ukraine. Priogozhin was willing to create massive civilian casualties in his revenge operation against the Ukraine military (lots of Nazi’s) and the CIA operatives that work with them.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said no and told/warned his generals and Russian regular military officers they were to inform Wagner that widespread collateral damage and revenge was not okay. Priogozhin was angry, very angry about this; he wanted blood. However, Priogozhin is also a snarky gremlin, don’t forget this, so any operation that could injure or trick the CIA would be a good thing. Thus, came the warning to me to ignore the front face of what the Western world would present in the past few days.

Priogozhin was/is angry and frustrated with Vladimir Putin, and Priogozhin was/is angry at the CIA. Was the Priogozhin/Wagner operation an internal false flag intended to give the illusion of something (rebellion) while actually taking advantage of the stupidity of the West (CIA)?

I just gave you Priogozhin’s motive that almost no one knows about. Let’s keep it between us.

Looks like the street urchin from Leningrad cashed out thanks to the DoD/CIA, and then bailed out on Vladimir Putin. A win/win.

I hear Belarus is awesome this time of year… and even Vladimir Putin has got to admit it was all well-played.

Well done, Yevgeny…. well done. Enjoy your retirement.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/06/25/sunday-talks-anthony-blinken-spins-a-tale-of-woe-for-vladimir-putin/#more-248140

franco wrote:So I wonder where General Mizintsev is now? Remember the Deputy Defense Minister that was transferred to be the deputy commander of Wagner back in the first of May.  


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Mizintsev

Probably he will be either the head of a new Wagner, or he will be back in the defense ministry, maybe as a deputy of Aleksey Dyumin, if and when shoigu will be moved to a different role, or back again in the army (since there will be probably several useless generals that will be dismissed.

The crowd seems pretty happy to see the Wagner Group in town.
Like rock star reception.

Ofcourse they are happy. Wagner soldiers are hailed as heroes same as MOD soldiers. What do you expect? They are not fake Russian liberation army who terrorise Russian villages. Civilians stayed out of this and thankfully no one from them was hurt

^ After the situation was diffused and they started going back to their base. Before that, ppl were asking wtf are you doing.

BTW Lancaster doesn't know wtf he's talking about in that first part.

Backman wrote:^ After the situation was diffused and they started going back to their base. Before that, ppl were asking wtf are you doing.

BTW Lancaster doesn't know wtf he's talking about in that first part.

Oh there were people who lambasted Wagner guys, but majority were there to diffuse situation (!!!) and said they would stand in between Akhmat and Wagner to stop them fighting if needed. They were glad civilian war didn’t happen. And yeah, Lancaster is bit clueless, but the footage and interviews  are top notch

Sergey Glazyev:

The revolutionaries were directly supported by the enemy. So now, when the offensive of the NATO jackals in Zaporozhye and Donbass has bogged down, a rebellion has been raised inside the country. Such "coincidences are not accidental. A mutiny is raised at a time when the enemy is defeated and its masters are preparing for peace negotiations. It is already obvious to everyone that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are doomed to defeat. There has been a turning point in our favor on the battlefield. Our support and condemnation of US and NATO aggression In the US and the EU, the popularity of the politicians who unleashed a war against us is declining.The enemy has no other chance to retain power, except for organizing a coup d'état in our country. The action of the rebels is indeed a stab in the back, as our President rightly said. There is no doubt that the rebellion is coordinated and directed by the intelligence agencies of the United States, Britain and possibly one Middle Eastern country.

We are getting statements like this from everyone in Russia. But they don't really address the elephant in the room, the traitor. Glazyev is talking about Israel. Does the traitor have an Isarel passport ?

One last point to all of this:
A few years ago Prigozhin was known in the west as some sort of "Troll Master in Chief" with his internet company.
Also he has or had a production company specializing in war movies.

Maybe after the SMO is finished Russia will show a video with outtakes from the "putsch".

ALAMO wrote:There are more and more voices rising in Russia against any future recruitment among prisoners.
Soooo ... my guess is, that maybe it was not such a success as described ?

No, it is the typical tard-think of the masses. Since there was a crime it must be because of the criminals. But Prigozhin and
other top administration of Wagner were not hired prisoners. They made all the decisions.

The whole thing smells more like a publicity stunt rather than a coup to me.

It was solved too easily, and nothing really happened.

A coup is generally violent, eg. Maidan.

It is clear that Prigozhin's stunt was not a Russian psyop. NATzO clowns are busy yapping about how weak Russia is and that Russia
is fractured and fragile. Putin is not so stupid to stage a psyop that damages Russia. He likely did allow the plot to ripen to extract
more information about traitors, but he did not organize this "coup". This was a NATzO operation from start to finish and Prigozhin is
exactly one of the 5th column "oligarchs" that infested Russia in the 1990s.

flamming_python wrote:
No, if this was a real rebellion on the behalf of NATO/the Ukraine then Prigozhin and the coup leaders would have been terminated by now, not exiled.

exiled to Batka Bulbash Belorussia just in time when Poland and Lithuania are preparing hundreds saboteurs for a coup against Lukashenka?
So sending NATO traitor doesn't seem to be logical isn't it?

That they're being kept around means they're still useful to Russia. And about the reports of the shot down aircraft that you're so ready to believe, go for it, I personally don't see what's being shot down but maybe you have an eagle eye.

there were some pics - but when thye were made? there were no bodies only burning wrecks.

And yes they are important for Russia - middle east... recently African massive cooperation agreements. Those need protection.

You are assuming that Prigozhin is still in "command" of Wagner. This assumption is unreasonable.

Prigozhin is a NATzO stooge. Period.