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    Post  Sprut-B Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:45 pm

    Firebird wrote:Duda and the rest of them are verminous pieces of shit tho.
    They might take over Lvov, call it "Poland" then call it the "Polish Ukrainian Commonwealth". Then try and get nukes for the "Ukraine" and cause a load of shit to Russia again.

    They can't take over Lavov if Russia nukes them before the Poles are able to cross the border, and the Pindos won't come to their rescue.

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    Post  Sprut-B Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:49 pm

    😆😆

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    Post  Sprut-B Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:16 pm


    All the soldiers are black.

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    Post  nomadski Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:20 pm

    The prime objective is the liberation of Russian regions in Ukraine .The means to do this remains the  use of conventional weapons . Dispersal of forces along a wider front , means thinning out the forces in Ukraine . There is no immediate reason to do this , since the Orcs are fighting in Ukraine . Capture of territory here , with Orcs stationed on them , means an opportunity to exterminate them , to the point where they will no longer see fit to join Army or fight as Orcs . Advancing into territory near Kaliningrad , is advancing into NATO territory . If NATO so far has largely avoided direct confrontation with Russia , then here , I am sure they will participate directly . This will be a Nuclear war very quickly . No need to plan around Tanks or APC or troops .

    However , NATO can be deterred against further involvement , in much less risky ways for Russia . Take a leaf out of their Book . There are many places , where Russia can support groups standing up to them , in the world . Russia can disperse their forces , by getting them bogged down , and forces them to spend their treasure . Also did they not attack Russia by the destruction of North Stream ? Did they take responsibility ? Why not turn the tables on them ? This way they get a bloody nose and have a chance to walk away from Ukraine war .  Instead of being forced to concentrate forces in Europe or Ukraine against Russia .

    About the plan by Poland and co , to reclaim " historic land ." It is somewhat true that areas in the West , were Polish at one time ? As long as the Poles stay in the far West , and do not near Russian regions of Odessa , then allowing them a piece of the Cake , may not be a bad idea . Ukraine will be fighting and loosing even faster , along two fronts . West Ukraine population are not Russia or pro-Russian . Capture of western Ukraine is difficult , ruling it even harder for Russia .

    With an agreement with Poles and hence NATO about partition of Ukraine , on condition of stopping arms shipments , then the war can be stopped .However if the Poles do not agree and advance into Western Ukraine , as well as continue to arm the Orcs , then no choice left but to hit them and NATO . It will be all over very quickly . None of us will feel a thing ! Right now mysterious explosions can happen in all kinds of places by unknown Squirrels . Better late than never .


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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:23 pm

    Backman wrote:What did he expect ? The shit he says is unacceptable in war time. This has been coming for a long time 

    TASS writes:

    "The former head of the DNR militia Igor Strelkov (Girkin) has been detained in Moscow and charged with extremism, according to his wife Miroslava Reginskaya. Law enforcement agencies confirmed the information about his detention



    The real reason for his arrest is that he is one of very few people who can realistically replace Putin.


    During the coup attempt by Prigozhin he remained loyal to the Russian government, but apparently that has been not appreciated.


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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:26 pm

    ALAMO wrote:I have read using one eye only, that his saga ended with a testimony of Wagner group medician, who claimed that Mr. Crymeariver used to collect the money that ended up not exactly where it should have ...
    But I am old, and my eye can deceive me Laughing


    Written by someone who keeps on hiring Ukrainians to work at his firm, about someone who was one of very few people awarded the title of the Hero of the New Russia.

    No credibility here.


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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:07 pm

    Sprut-B wrote:
    All the soldiers are black.

    In a war against Russia digging mass graves for your buddies is of vital importance because Doritos and Lawn mowers will take out your vehicles and you won't have enough guys to remove the dead to rear areas

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:11 pm

    https://t.me/VasiletsDmitriy/12562

    The so-called "Black Sea Grain Initiative" was in fact a non-escalation agreement in the Black Sea. Since ships with grain are going there, there should not be active hostilities.

    At the same time, the West did not fulfill its obligations in matters of freight and insurance of ships coming from Russia, attacked Sevastopol, the Crimean bridge and our warship with naval drones.

    But one rule was still respected: no one attacked or sank merchant ships going to and from Russia!

    Withdrawing from the grain agreement, Russia effectively declared a naval blockade of Ukraine. The very next day, the Kiev regime declared a naval blockade of Russia.

    This is an escalation and should be taken very seriously.

    1. It was not Kyiv that announced the naval blockade to us, but London and Washington.
    2. Ukraine does not have a fleet to implement the blockade, but the Anglo-Saxons have everything they need.
    3. Not warships, but "unknown boats", missiles and naval drones will be used.
    4. The Anglo-Saxons will do everything, and Zelensky and the Podolians will puff out their cheeks.
    5. The danger of attack and sinking of civilian ships going to and from our ports has sharply increased.
    6. How to resist it? Maximum control over the entire area of ​​the Black Sea, a sober assessment of the situation and the speedy deprivation of the Kyiv regime of access to the sea.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:22 pm

    a sober assessment of the situation and the speedy deprivation of the Kyiv regime of access to the sea. wrote:

    It's not likely to happen soon.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jul 21, 2023 11:46 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Poland Considering Sending Troops to Western Ukraine - Russian Foreign Intel Head
    .....

    Best news all year

    Once they are over the line blow them to pieces alongside entire current geopolitical order, all consequence free

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:42 am

    Spot on the target

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    Post  Kiko Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:50 am

    The miracle system is over: in the USA they revealed how Russia turned off the main missile of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 07.21.2023.

    Military expert Gady: Russia disabled Ukrainian HIMARS with powerful electronic warfare systems.

    MOSCOW, July 21 - RIA Novosti. The Russian military "muffled" the Ukrainian HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems with powerful electronic warfare systems, military expert Frank-Stefan Gady said in an interview with the American War Zone portal.

    “HIMARS systems have acquired an almost mythical status for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. <…> But Russia has found a way to counter these installations. Its layered integrated air and missile defense seems to have had an impact on the effectiveness of missiles,” the analyst said.

    In his opinion, the capabilities of the American MLRS in Ukraine have come to an end. The same will happen with the high-precision long-range systems ATACMS, since they work on the same principle as HIMARS, Gady recalled.

    "I think we should keep this in mind when we plan new deliveries of other long-range precision-guided munitions to Ukraine," the expert concluded.

    Earlier, former US intelligence officer Scott Ritter called Russian air defense and electronic warfare systems the most effective in the world. They jam the GPS signals of HIMARS missiles and drastically reduce their potential, the officer said.

    https://ria.ru/20230721/vsu-1885532653.html

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    Post  Airbornewolf Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:10 am

    "oh no, you can not support the destruction of an nation!".

    Me: "Fucking watch me"

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    Post  mnztr Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:05 am

    JohninMK wrote:Spot on the target


    Apparently the Ukrainian kid that recorded and published this was arrested, forced to make a public apology and sent to die on the front.

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    Post  mnztr Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:10 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:Poland Considering Sending Troops to Western Ukraine - Russian Foreign Intel Head
    .....

    Best news all year

    Once they are over the line blow them to pieces alongside entire current geopolitical order, all consequence free


    I think Russia will let them in, cut them off with an attack south from Belarus, Force them to capitulate and force Poland to negotiate for their release with very onerous terms.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:58 am

    Correct its inflation, i know some believe its just profiteering,

    So you are saying that the US MIC has turned over a new leaf and is now honestly keeping costs and prices and profit margins to a minimum so the troops get the best possible product for the best possible price...

    You are a joker... jocolor


    It seems Russian senior leadership, and Putin believe Russia can win against NATO in Suwalki, and Baltics

    Or there might be a plan that as Russian forces advance into the Ukraine there are parts to the north and west they probably don't want and so trading with Poland the territory of the Ukraine they used to have as part of Poland in return for this area of land between Kaliningrad and Belarus becoming Russian territory might be something they are interested in... but obviously that would mean Russia would have to avoid damaging that area too much...

    Warsaw is looking to take control over western parts of Ukraine, the Russian president claims

    And a good tactic for Russia would be for Putin to mention that quite often and appear opposed to the idea so when he offers this territory that Russia has no use for it will seem like he is giving up something for the territory he does want.

    A strip of land that is all Polish territory that goes from Kaliningrad to Belarus is all that Russia needs... though it will land lock the Baltic countries... but who cares about them?

    He could've made a secret deal with Russia, and the Russians would've gladly handed over the West of 404 for free.

    Not free... western Ukraine is not appealing to Russia but Poland wants it... so let Poland give Russia a strip of land along its border with the Baltic states enlarging Kaliningrad to have a land border with Belarus.

    They might take over Lvov, call it "Poland" then call it the "Polish Ukrainian Commonwealth".

    If they cross the border without Russian permission then cluster bomb armed cruise missiles will welcome them... they would be slaughtered...

    Article 5 means nothing if your troops are invading another country, otherwise HATO would be helping Turkey against the Kurds and Turkey would have helped the US invade Iraq.

    The real reason for his arrest is that he is one of very few people who can realistically replace Putin.

    Bullshit, most of the population barely know who he is and what experience would he have in running a whole damn country?

    Ridiculous.

    During the coup attempt by Prigozhin he remained loyal to the Russian government, but apparently that has been not appreciated.

    I would say the usefulness of Wagner around the world, especially in Africa is what kept him alive. In most countries of the world he would be dead now.


    Written by someone who keeps on hiring Ukrainians to work at his firm, about someone who was one of very few people awarded the title of the Hero of the New Russia.

    He got medals for his war efforts, that does not make him perfect or president material.

    The danger of attack and sinking of civilian ships going to and from our ports has sharply increased.

    I would think any act of piracy like that would lead to a very serious response... if HATO is sinking civilian ships in the Black Sea then all HATO assets in the Black Sea need to be eliminated. Russian naval vessels will need to be tasked with escorting and monitoring shipping traffic in the Black Sea which will be excellent experience for them because the equivalent will be naval blockades around the world by the US and UK and France which Russia will also have to learn to deal with.

    Told you their Navy will become rather more important in the near future.

    Very successfully hit a warehouse in the Zhytomyr region.

    The metallic sparkles in that explosion suggests solid rocket fuel was located at the target area...

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Jul 22, 2023 9:15 am

    Looks more like a small arms ammo to me.

    And by the way, my fellow Polak eaters ... It looks like you have not noticed, that the solution of Poland taking over the west part of 404 was advocated by Putin since the very beginning.
    And Hungary.
    And Slovakia.
    There is a different question. As far as Hungarian speaking areas, and Uzhorod surroundings are physically habituated by Slovaks and Hungarians, there are no Poles in Lvov area. But hard core bandera thugs ... ehkm ... pardon, Ukrainian nationalists. One would have been crazy to push any idea of uniting Poland with them.
    But as Poland is ruled by openly antiPolish thugs, well ...

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Jul 22, 2023 9:19 am

    S-70 Okhotnik should be armed with Kinzhal and should fly swarm flights with both Mig-31 and Su-35.

    In that way every single Ukrainian Patriot or any other SAM battery can be neutralized.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:03 am

    And the benefit of suspending high-profile weapon systems under low and low flying drones would be ... ?

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:06 am

    Indeed, there is no way a Kinzhal fits in the internal bays of an S-70, so it'd have to be slung underneath somehow. That not only means costly modifications, it also removes any pretence of stealth, which is the main asset of a subsonic flying wing like that.

    Makes no sense.

    There is a reason the MiG-31 (K) was chosen as the chief carrier. It's fast, it flies high, it has range and it never even pretended to be stealthy.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:37 am

    ALAMO wrote:And by the way, my fellow Polak eaters ... It looks like you have not noticed, that the solution of Poland taking over the west part of 404 was advocated by Putin since the very beginning.
    And Hungary.
    And Slovakia.
    There is a different question. As far as Hungarian speaking areas, and Uzhorod surroundings are physically habituated by Slovaks and Hungarians, there are no Poles in Lvov area. But hard core bandera thugs ... ehkm ... pardon, Ukrainian nationalists. One would have been crazy to push any idea of uniting Poland with them.
    But as Poland is ruled by openly antiPolish thugs, well ...

    Naturally. To Putin the downside of NATO advancing a little further East will be counterbalanced by the boon of having 'partners in crime' to de-facto underwrite Russia's own gains from the Ukraine

    Which is why I don't think either Poland nor Romania will go for it, as they're ruled by rock-solid NATO puppy-loyal elites and not out for their national interests or some lost territories or anything like that in the first place.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:44 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:It seems Russian senior leadership, and Putin believe Russia can win against NATO in Suwalki, and Baltics

    It will be a fast war, not like Ukraine as Russia will indiscriminately hit NATO when it goes into Suwalki

    NATO cannot do much in this area, as the General Staff is correct, in the short term, NATO has no equipment to rebuff a Russian advance - 1st armored corps will take time to commit to the fight,  and Russia can attrite 1st armored easily by targeting them directly

    Once Russia seizes Suwalki it will be the new Checkpoint Charlie

    It's not that they believe that they can win.

    It's rather that if NATO attacks Belarus via either that Belarussian rebel army they've formed in Poland or any other means, Russia will have to win whether it likes it or not and it's already transmitting the consequences of any such misadventure to the Polish leadership in advance.
    Perhaps to dissuade them.. or perhaps to provoke them.
    Because by building up forces next to Poland and demonstrating readiness to engage in hostilities there at the slightest provocation, they will force NATO to increase expenditures, divert equipment and manpower away from supply to the Ukraine and be more conservative with expenditures of HIMARS among other things, and force the US to have to choose between building up in Asia against China or building up in Europe against Russia because they can't do both.. and both Russia and China know this

    Combined with the imposition of a blockade against the Ukraine in the Black Sea, this is all evidence for Russia becoming more confident, its military and military-industries have built up to the point where it has the initiative to be the one making the dick moves against the West now rather than the other way around. Good.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:00 pm

    https://t.me/VasiletsDmitriy/12573

    Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega addressed his fellow countrymen and spoke a little about the behind-the-scenes talks during the EU-CELAC summit:

    “They wanted to bring a fascist, the Nazi president of Ukraine, to attend the EU-CELAC summit. The Europeans pushed hard, but most of the SELAC countries disagreed. As a result, they could not put the fascist president of Ukraine here.”

    Few of today's leaders can afford to call a spade a spade.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:44 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    It's not that they believe that they can win.

    The problem with the talking heads is that they must talk.
    No matter if they have a single clue.
    A whole "Suwalki Gap" story was made on live in Russian TV, but it is not a new idea.
    Sometimes things get more realistic if someone would open a map.
    The entire area of Suwalki is harsh terrain with very limited road infrastructure, scattered by lakes and rivers. Logistic nightmare to deploy an army, especially if we consider that it is quite heavily fortified. Part of Molotov Line. What's more, it is the home of 16th Mechanized Division, which is one of the core units covering the capital. Enough to say, that it will get K2 tanks first, along with HIMARS and all those toys. Last but not least, a heavy US/NATO contingent is located right there in Orzysz.

    On the other hand, there is much easier route to Kaliningrad via Lithuania. Road infrastructure of the Soviet Union links Kaliningrad with Grodno right there. No army, no defensive lines.

    Wonder which one would Russkie use in need, hmm hmm hmm ...

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