Russian special military operation in Ukraine #46

Arkanghelsk wrote:What are the chances that the Zelensky peace deal is accepted by nations who were neutral or at least non vocal about the SMO?

Zero. You have to understand, nobody cares about the optics of whether Russia is an illegal aggressor or no because Ukraine is fucking worthless. It garners the same reaction as an African shithole undergoing its seasonal famine or annual coup. Only western retards have enough time on their hands to feel more strongly - everyone else is busy with important stuff.

I've  been away a bit and maybe you guys discussed Lira already.  I'm 50/50 on the guy. He's a bit of a tosser. Some of his stuff doesn't make sense. I don't think he is. But the SBU and the bureaucracy are fucking with him. But it's mostly just make-work.

The first phase of the Ukrainian offensive began on June 4 and bogged down in the twentieth of the same month. 

The "offensive" bogged down on June 5. 

Otherwise the terms and conditions of any peace will be determined by outside actors

How should that happen? 
China and India aren´t taking part in the shitshow in Saudi-Arabia. Even if they would go most of the countries outside
of the west will only pay lip service to any "deal".
Peace?
Sure.
(turning around) 
Russia, can we buy oil from you?

Backman wrote:I've  been away a bit and maybe you guys discussed Lira already.  I'm 50/50 on the guy. He's a bit of a tosser. Some of his stuff doesn't make sense. I don't think he is. But the SBU and the bureaucracy are fucking with him. But it's mostly just make-work.

My take is that the SBU took him for an idiot, quite rightly, and gave him his passport and driving license back just to see whether he would dare to make a break for Russia or Russian-held areas which were the obvious if dangerous option (remember he was held in Kharkov which is like 60km from the Russian border), or whether he would stick around like a dolt. Or whether he would indeed try to cross the border with another country legally which is a dubious option at best when you're pending a trial and have been ordered not to go anywhere.

If he managed to escape to Russia, Ukrainian authorities ultimately wouldn't much care and would use the opportunity to portray him as a Russian agent. Perhaps that was the option they preferred. Anywhere else and he's a problem for everyone though, both the Ukraine and its backers which includes the rest of Europe and his own nation the US.

Well they can keep buying oil, but in secret they can make those purchases contingent on Russia abiding by any agreements made at the Saudi summit

India can say, we will buy gas from Saudi Arabia and not you, if you do not end the war, and China also can increase Saudi oil purchases and leave Russia hurting if they come to agreement together

So Russia must not allow these countries to make agreements that do not consider their own interests

It's necessary to end this war and finish it already

Storm Ukraine, and reach the Dnieper, then continue a denazification operation in West Ukraine, kill the Kiev government and any potential government and delegitimize any government in exile, by simply not recognizing them

That way India and China can say to West, look we did what we could, but Russia owns Ukraine now, and there is no government in Kiev, and the exile government is western backed so any peace deal has to be made with Moscow de facto

Mir wrote:Yawn...probably just another fake

I think they did hit it successfully, but if they wanted to cause more expensive damage they shoulda gone for the engine room. In any case the longer this war continues the more ways Ukraine will find to strike Russia, more long range Western systems will arrive. Its inevitable. So for those saying Russia has alllll the time in the world I say BS. The clock and calendar are always a big factor in any war. Let us not forget, even though Russia is winning, about 2500 Russian boys died in the counter offensive. That is still an enormous cost and carries a political price as well as a huge financial and legacy cost for Russia. Even the ones that don't have a scratch will have PTSD. So this war will have a significant long term negative impact on Russia even in victory. Look at the legacy cost of WWII on Russia. Massive and still present. Russia had no choice but the deliberate way it is being fought is IMHO a mistake.

Regular wrote:Both Russian military nor leadership didn’t perform good early on, but pictures of destroy convoy were tactical mistakes rather strategical, by the way.  BTG structure also didn’t survive test of fire. Military goals were questionable.

Now much have been addressed, less frontline, better structure, clearer operational goals, no civilian involvement. Even if Ukrainians are stronger now too. 

In my opinion, there shouldn’t be changes in leadership now, but after this, I hope that meritocracy will prevail and vestigial people will be demoted

The Russian military performed fine. Initial advance, defense of Gostomel and so on, in a very big combined-arms operation which required a lot of co-ordination. Yes there were tactical, strategic and political mistakes and so on but there are always things like that, and none of them were critical. Main thing is that the Ukrainians performed better than either side expected and proved to be stubborn in defense as seen in Irpen, Izyum and so on - battles which Russia decided weren't worth the cost at that time. And crucially, Russia wasn't able to destabilize the Ukrainian government as it had counted on - hence the main failure was the political objective. This made the whole advance on Kiev/Chernigov/Sumy pointless in retrospect.

And the Ukrainian military is far weaker now. Back then it was the 2nd largest military in Europe with high readiness and actual combined arms forces; a lot of tanks, mechanized infantry, artillery, able to work in concert and backed up by tactical aviation, some fighter aviation, a sophisticated air defense network, huge amounts of ammo and fuel storages and so on. A huge network of defenses in the Donbass region too.

Right now they have masses of cannon fodder which they throw ahead of the various elite assault units they have, as well as using them to occupy positions which are further back. They have maybe 100-200 tanks left, some hundreds more armored vehicles, some artillery and the rest is all piecemeal. A lot of cities that can be turned into strong points though. They also do have a much more experienced officer corps now which is able to use what they do have to good advantage, that's definitely a plus compared to before.

Russia has passed Germany in PPP

The 5th largest economy is Russia in purchasing power,

The SMO increased economic output and the results are shown

Arkanghelsk wrote:India can say, we will buy gas from Saudi Arabia and not you

So Russia must not allow these countries to make agreements that do not consider their own interests

Ask and it is given

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/markets/commodities/august-september-supply-cut-fears-by-russia-aid-record-lifting-of-urals-by-indian-refiners/article67150255.ece:

lyle6 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:What are the chances that the Zelensky peace deal is accepted by nations who were neutral or at least non vocal about the SMO?

Zero. You have to understand, nobody cares about the optics of whether Russia is an illegal aggressor or no because Ukraine is fucking worthless. It garners the same reaction as an African shithole undergoing its seasonal famine or annual coup. Only western retards have enough time on their hands to feel more strongly - everyone else is busy with important stuff.

I would go even further, the global south is really enjoying watching Europe get fucked by the USA instead of them for a change. They are also amused that Europe is going along so willingly with the self fucking. It presents enormous economic opportunities for them to step in and replace EU business that collapse due to energy costs and sanctions.

What a surprise

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Arkanghelsk wrote:What are the chances that the Zelensky peace deal is accepted by nations who were neutral or at least non vocal about the SMO? ...

1) Those nations don't count for shit on this situation

2) Any kind of peace deal without complete destruction of Ukraine is a total defeat of Russia

Objective of war is victory not peace, peace is a side effect of victory

lyle6 wrote:...Now the VDV and the vast majority of the Russian Armed Forces have zero compunctions whatsoever about killing hohols in industrial quantities. ...

A very fortunate side effect of a colossal fuckup

lyle6 wrote:...10:1 is passe, we might even reach African colonial wars level of murder here...

Hopefully

lyle6 wrote:...Irrelevant. Winners get to determine what's a war crime and what's not.  

No need to repeat my own point to me

lyle6 wrote:

Its of modular armor construction. Allows for a higher fraction of composite armor compared to steel and easier to maintain and replace. Its less sturdy against repeated hits but you're not supposed to be hit a second time without popping smoke and breaking LOS.

I am quite aware of the concept, it is the extent to which it is taken that surprises me. The total lack of protection of the NERA elements leaves them extremely vulnerable.

A 20mm outer shell would hardly weigh anything and would atleast prevent your vehicle from being sent back to the factory every time it is hit by anything larger than small arms fire.

Arkanghelsk wrote:...
It's necessary to end this war and finish it already

Storm Ukraine....

Seriously, how dense are you?




For every week you rush now you will pay for it with decade of humiliation and defeat against a fanatical Nazi insurgency

This is nonsense

The west is out of ammo and equipment, and Ukraine is barely hanging on in full out attack

Theyl be swept aside by a 300,000-400,000 man force

Go to the Dnieper and bypass the urban centers

Send wagner to Kiev to atone for dead VKS pilots, they move forward or their positions will be hit by cluster strikes

Any nazis captured will be put into Wagner storm groups, and same treatment, cluster them if they don't move forward

We can introduce the Soviet method they like so much

mnztr wrote:

Sprut-B wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Forgive me for not laughing because this definitely didn't look like consensual intercourse:

Result of Putin's 4D chess move!

The Russian military was ordered to restrain themselves, even if the Nazis fired at them. Instead of killing the Nazis, the military was ordered to run a peace rally, which caused unnecessary deaths and suffering for Russian military personnel.



In some instances, the Russians didn't fight back while retreating, and the Nazis were allowed to take out Russian military columns with total impunity.
 
 
Ukro citizens, aka banderaits, were blocking Russian armour's movements and forcing them to move through places where UkroNazis set up ambushes to kill as many Russian soldiers as possible.



The Russian military was not even allowed to disperse the Nazi crowd with any kind of violence because Russia sitting at the higher moral ground needed to show brotherly love to the Nazis. This stupid action by Putin caused needless suffering and humiliation for the Russian military.

All you really need to do is close the hatch and hit the smoke. That will disperse them. If the form a line, full power and head toward them at high speed. Once they know you are close enough to not be able to stop they will get out of the way. if not..too bad.

Putin has been showing a great deal of love for the Ukrainians for many years before the Special Military Operation even started:

https://asaland.proboards.com/thread/302/ukraine-participated-invasion-south-ossetia



There are claims now that even at least some of the Ukrainian nationalists themselves say that they are lucky that they fight against Putin, because he is so soft on them.

Gonzalo had many warnings, both from his friends an his enemies. He could have moved to Hungary and to Russia, but he decided to tempt faith. I am not sure what he expected. It’s not that his US passport will mean anything as he is against their puppet.

Hopefully he won’t get into more problems and manages to luck out and get without too much of GUR bullcrap
/torture/insane prison sentence

Getting cold feet over another wave of mobilization Archie?

Don't be worried, the Kazakhstan border is still open

Martyanov on losses:

Russian MoD gave the number of VSU losses (without foreign mercenaries and "advisers") and, WITHOUT VSU losses in the rear (get it?),
since the start of "counteroffensive"--43,000. Here is the point I make constantly--MoD's data is extremely conservative and ONLY about
what MoD can visually confirm. Many thousands of VSU personnel annihilated in the rear, such as bases, depots, barracks, command posts
et al are not even counted in MoD losses reports. Now recall those hundreds of rear positions hit by Russian Army and you will get the idea
on the scale of losses of VSU.

Here is one out of very many examples from 6th July this year--the destruction of VSU academy in Lvov (in Russian). 8 3M14 Kalibrs visited
the facility which could house up to 800 personnel and parked some tanks. Those inevitable losses are NOT counted until they are confirmed
(corroborated). There could have been 100 KIAs, could have been 400 KIAs. Everyone in Lvov reported huge number of ambulances. In related
example--how many personnel was KIA during obliteration of Patriots? Exactly. So, this explains the count. Russia reports only what she can
reasonably count and confirm and that means immediate frontline with visual identification of corpses. Plus, we don't know how many actually
die in the rear after evacuation. Reports suggest a huge number and with 404 medical facilities being overwhelmed. Make your own conclusions.

Backman wrote:I've  been away a bit and maybe you guys discussed Lira already.  I'm 50/50 on the guy. He's a bit of a tosser. Some of his stuff doesn't make sense. I don't think he is. But the SBU and the bureaucracy are fucking with him. But it's mostly just make-work.

I think Ritter has some great points. The lira to me seems too calm after being tortured and facing life in prison. And as Ritter points out why was he released. someone facing such a sentence wouldn't be allowed to walk free until trial especially during a war. It's possible lira from the start was SBU but even if he wasn't its highly likely he turned while imprisoned struck a deal with SBU to get released on the grounds he sticks to the deal. If he refused it would be easy to frame his death blame another prisoner for killing him. I am with Ritter on this.

Because of the failure of the NATO sponsored counter oink, NATO and Ukrainian leadership are getting desperate and becoming more brazen in their quest to kill more Russians.

Today another NATO terrorist attack has occurred in Crimea, an unarmed tanker has been reportedly hit by a NATO terrorist drone close to the Kerch bridge.



Russia needs to impose more Pain on NATO occupied Ukraine and Kill more Ukrainian and NATO Terrorists

If Lira was a larper, then he has not had a chance to flip. He has not been steering the discussion in Kiev's favour and has not
been acting to discredit the side he is supposedly larping. So I am not buying the SBU asset tinfoil. Too many "experts" on his
reactions and his actions as if they all went through similar.

flamming_python wrote:Getting cold feet over another wave of mobilization Archie?

Don't be worried, the Kazakhstan border is still open

There's no worry

BTW if you get a summons there's no leaving,

Putin has yet to sign the bill, but it has gone to his desk

Age of draftees has gone up, exemptions from service such as graduate deferral is suspended, and there are restrictions on entering and leaving for receiving summons

Think hel sign it in the next 2 weeks, time to see if it's time brother

flamming_python wrote:One should not fall under the impression that there are no losses on the Russian side though with the materials published here.

The enemy is advancing in considerable numbers and intense fighting has been observed in Orekhov, Rabotino, Staromayorskoe and neighbouring sectors to Bakhmut. In addition to the terror attacks on Moscow and Taganrog there have also been strikes of Russian ammo storages in the Donbass at a minimum.

There are enough materials on Nazi resources such as various Reddits as well as YouTube channels such as The Sun and others.
However such materials will rarely show anything other than a battle for a single trench or the ambush of a lone vehicle. Whereas the Russian videos show entire columns and formations of Ukrainian forces engaged and destroyed.

Well said, without mentioning details. An contact of mine in Russia i knew before the Special operation got summoned and is fighting there.
He speaks with great humility and respect about the people they are defending out there.
I got nothing but utmost respect for him, in earlier talks with him. He expressed he rather was glad his servicetime was behind him.
But as the special operation kicked off and NATO went all in, he felth he had to answer his summons and go there.

I am just a former army veteran behind a keyboard nowadays. I feel humbled to talk to him about these things, also recently.
I realize how war works, but i do hope everyday he gets out okay.

War always has a steep price. where both sides pay a price for in lives.
I stood myself on plenty of ramp-ceremony's of dead troops going home.

It tears family's apart, it really does. Or more likely than KIA, is heavily injured physically or mentally.
Especially young soldiers, have this mindset they go down in some glorious last stand.
But the reality is very different, they receive debri in their faces, taking away their sight and maybe hearing.
Lose their limbs by shrapnel, or suffer internal organ damage requiring heavy medical care for the rest of their lives.
And they just are at the start of their lives.

for an outside spectator watching the war it is just an temporary observation. But for these troops it will last their entire lives.

Personally i deeply support the Russian operation, i was involved with it from the NATO side and with what NATO did and thought about matters. Russia has no other option than to remove Ukraine off the map.
It is necessary to see this trough to the very end. I am very aware of the price. i really do not say this easy.
The alternative is the destruction and partitioning of Russia, Followed by Iran and China.
For what?. this warmongering corrupt western war-machine that kills anything in it's way?.

But there my comments end for me, who am i to say that this or that needs to be done by the RF forces in Ukraine?.
Some proposals that came by here are not realistic in the slightest or will result in massive casualties.

Not to mention the Logistic machine, even one being so efficient as the Russian one for the last 1.5 years can not support such actions

Everyone keeps forgetting NATO, that means the U.S And its servants are throwing everything they can against Russia.
And they are failing, NATO admitted itself in the sense they stated they ran out of ammo and equipment to give.
So who is the real paper tiger here?.

People can repeat the wish for wiping Kiev off the map, or assassinating's Kiev leadership.
There are just two problems here, As everyone has seen by now. Kiev forces have a preference for hiding behind civilian populations.

What can i say?. NATO Nazi's...



And some NATO Laptop recovered by RF forces near the start of the operation in Ukraine.
I had one in Afghanistan, these are real.
It illustrates perfectly how deep NATO had their tentacles into their Nazi Pawns.

There was a NATO IT network present in Ukraine for these to work.
these networks are called TITAN Red or Black, Depending on the level of Clearance.









And the Kiev officials, if they are taken out their jobs will just be replaced with some NATO asshole pulling the strings in the background.
I talked many times before about how NATO officers talk about Russians, i will not repeat that misguided, deluded and just downright evil excrement here,

Then Russia is employing the strategy that was employed by the Taliban against us in Afghanistan/Iraq.
The Russians keep switching up officers, So NATO never gets a grip of the strategy or tactical actions of their enemy.
And Meanwhile the Russians just get their tentacles more into the behavior of Kiev and NATO, predicting their actions instead.

But sure, "Russian General fired by Putin" in western media.....

I have been long enough on the internet to know how discussions as these go.
But i applaud your attempt at going against their narrative Flaming.
I felth giving a like was not enough .


ZOV all the way.