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    Post  JohninMK Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:05 am

    It looks like Colonel Frost is being reinforced this year with extra forces due to the unusually low temperatures currently in Siberia (parts at 40 year lows for this early in December).

    The chart shows lower than normal as light blue, including across Ukraine. Belarus and the Baltics really catch it hard.

    Likely to be with clear skies so a few Russian options could be opening up. Shame to let some hard ground go to waste Smile

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:12 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    But what i think Russia should do, is use Mig31 to fire on E3 AWACS from Belarus

    These things are patrolling close to Belarus border, and R37 has the range to hit at AWACS over Poland

    As soon as they detect transmission over Link 16, it's time to bag one of those birds


    Highly unlikely, hitting a manned aircraft is very, very different to hitting a drone. No way they would turn the other cheek like the Russians did back in Syria.

    Note that the Iranians, who also know a bit about the limits of pulling the US's tail without getting a kick in the groin in return, carefully avoided the USN P-8 when it downed the big USN drone.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:22 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    But what i think Russia should do, is use Mig31 to fire on E3 AWACS from Belarus

    These things are patrolling close to Belarus border, and R37 has the range to hit at AWACS over Poland

    As soon as they detect transmission over Link 16, it's time to bag one of those birds


    Highly unlikely, hitting a manned aircraft is very, very different to hitting a drone. No way they would turn the other cheek like the Russians did back in Syria.

    Note that the Iranians, who also know a bit about the limits of pulling the US's tail without getting a kick in the groin in return, carefully avoided the USN P-8 when it downed the big USN drone.

    Russia is not Iran, her claws and teeth are larger and sharper...  Twisted Evil

    If the murkhans are stupid enough to use their AWACS to directly co-ord/control Ukrainian F-16s to attack Russian forces then they need to brought down and splashed all over the Polish countryside.  These cnts need to learn some respect, with a good dollop of fear thrown in for good measure.  Handling them with kid gloves is only taken as weakness, and NATO cannot be allowed to indulge themselves with these mistaken perceptions...

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:52 am

    JohninMK wrote:

    Highly unlikely, hitting a manned aircraft is very, very different to hitting a drone. No way they would turn the other cheek like the Russians did back in Syria.

    Note that the Iranians, who also know a bit about the limits of pulling the US's tail without getting a kick in the groin in return, carefully avoided the USN P-8 when it downed the big USN drone.

    The shoot-down of su24 by zmeiny might provoke a big response

    IMO with the US cutting its involvement, the israel war, and Peace being forced on Kiev,

    Russia could seek an escalation with minimum consequences

    It could even help de-escalate even further

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:15 am

    Hole wrote:
    Su-34 dropping four FAB-500 with UMPK modules.
    https://t.me/fighter_bomber/14935

    There are reports that it will be 6 in a row, soon.
    And that it goes up to 120 pcs a day.
    A day. Twisted Evil

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    Post  Isos Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:17 am

    Again... no awacs has enough radar range to detect from Poland anything flying in eastern Ukrainian border.

    Stop with this garbage idea.

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    Post  thegopnik Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:58 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:On f16.net the main mod is talking about using HARM on f16 to go after S400

    I think this shit is funny

    They really pretend they will be flying lo-lo-lo and attacking S400 in an f16

    They want to use MALD, and S125 to get S400 to work, and then use HARM from F16

    I guess they don't think SHORADS or VSHORADS would be the primary systems working on them, not s400

    They think the advantage of link16, would give their airpower more situational awareness because of E3 and Global Hawk

    I do agree with that part, those F16 are not gonna be blind or reliant on ground radar, they're gonna have a full battle picture

    But then again so do SU35 and Mig31, and what chance does an f16 have against R37 or R77 streaking down at max range? If VKS is dropping JDAMski at 70km+ they can definitely lob R77 and R37 at max range to F16 that Try to do some kind of SEAD on s400

    Not only that, but if as the mod says, F16 won't fly at 30k meters waiting to get spiked, what will it do? It doesn't have range to fly from Lvov to Crimea and back with decent payload, it would have to take off from closer bases

    And even if they somehow get range to fly from lvov , kinzhal will still **** their day up

    Zaslon-M is powerful enough itself to allow the mig-31bm to hit an aerial target 300kms away in the distant past. I think the only possible arguments they will make is that the F-16s given would offer enough EW suppression which again I dont think would help or if they have 200km air to air missiles to give to Ukraine.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:16 am

    Isos wrote:Again... no awacs has enough radar range to detect from Poland anything flying in eastern Ukrainian border.

    Stop with this garbage idea.

    That is true, from Poland I doubt that an AEW&C plane could even cover Kiev,..at best they could cover Vinnitsa.

    To properly cover Donetsk an AEW&C plane would need to fly not far away from the Kerch bridge, but that is already to close to Russian airspace.

    Of course they could cover from inside Ukraine (.i.e. near Poltava) but would an active declaration of war

    But there is not only Poland. And southeastern Ukraine like Donbass is not the only area in which Russian flights may happen

    As an example Snake island is perfectly in range of an eventual US AEW&C plane from Romania.

    If we consider a 400 km range, from Romania you could cover easily Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson and most of Crimea (but not the Donbass).

    I mean I know that if such radar plane shares targeting data with a mig29, su-27 or F-16 in ucraine, and such fighter strikes at russian targets, then the radar plane is also a target even if in Romania, but until the missile is shot they can always deny that they are there to share data with the Ukrainians.

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    Post  Sujoy Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:42 am

    Why the US interferes militarily across the world

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    Post  nomadski Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:57 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:

    Highly unlikely, hitting a manned aircraft is very, very different to hitting a drone. No way they would turn the other cheek like the Russians did back in Syria.

    Note that the Iranians, who also know a bit about the limits of pulling the US's tail without getting a kick in the groin in return, carefully avoided the USN P-8 when it downed the big USN drone.

    The shoot-down of su24 by zmeiny might provoke a big response

    IMO with the US cutting its involvement, the israel war, and Peace being forced on Kiev,

    Russia could seek an escalation with minimum consequences

    It could even help de-escalate even further

    At some point , it may be decided to retaliate directly against America . Then we are into a short term war of skirmish , a prelude to Nukes falling . Perhaps the world will have 24 to 48 hours before extinction ! Under such circumstances , what is the best target to hit ? Planes over Poland or Romania ? No ! GPS satellite guiding ICBM's !

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:01 pm

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    Morning Report:

    Direction: Soledar: Successful attacks by the Russian Armed Forces in multiple areas
    Situation as of 11:00, December 6, 2023

    The liberation of Artemovsky (Khromovo) approximately a week ago can be seen as a transfer of initiative to the Russian army at Bakhmut. Currently, the Russian Armed Forces are launching simultaneous attacks in three areas, leading to a deteriorating situation for the AFU.

    🔻On the southern flank of Bakhmut, combined Russian units successfully stormed the heights near Kleshcheevka. As a result, the Russian Armed Forces captured the strategically important height 235.7 to the north of the village.

    ▪ Controlling this position allows constant surveillance of all approaches to Kleshcheevka, as well as landings to the north in the direction of Krasny (Ivanovsky). The formations of the 5th Brigade of the AFU are unable to counter this due to the complete dominance of the Russian Armed Forces.

    ▪ Additionally, soldiers of the 102nd Regiment of the 150th MRD of the Russian Armed Forces are making significant progress in their offensive in the dacha cooperative southwest of Bakhmut, which was lost back in June. Further advancements will greatly weaken the AFU positions in Krasny.

    🔻To the northwest, Russian paratroopers continue their assault from the Berkhovsky reservoir. Currently, the fighting is centered around an important stronghold located in the Valyanovsky nursery.

    ▪ Meanwhile, units of the 92nd battalion of the 107th AFU Territorial Defense attempted a counterattack from the outskirts of Bogdanovka, but the attack was easily repulsed. In a retaliatory strike, the enemy assault group was destroyed.

    🔻Furthermore, Russian fighters have intensified their offensive in the north of Soledar. Operating from Belogorovka, the Russian Armed Forces soldiers have managed to significantly breach the defenses of the AFU along the railway line east of Vesely.

    ▪ This advancement enables the coverage of the Vesyoloye - Razdolovka line, which complicates the position of the 10 Mountain Assault Brigade in the area. With further offensive, this may force the enemy to retreat.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:03 pm

    They have made many stupid choices in this war and that's not up for debate, boot lick all you wanr

    After it happened you look at the response from the enemy and you claim it was stupid. If the enemy had been smarter it might have been totally different.

    If Russia had shelled Kiev and killed Boris Johnson at the airport and the peace treaty was signed it would all have been over in two months.

    If Zelensky had used his brain and realised HATO was using his country to try to damage Russia and they couldn't care less about the future of Ukraine or its people then he might have signed the peace agreement anyway.

    Many things could have happened differently and when planning and executing a plan you have to take all these possibilities into account.

    Saying they were stupid afterwards ignores that when they made the plan they didn't know what might happen.

    And you ignore the most evil of choices, like what the US did to Russia and its allies in the EU in all this mess... they wanted Russia to suffer and collapse and it might end up that it is the EU that will be suffering and collapsing instead.

    That was needed to show the public that a mobilisation was neccessary.

    It was also part of the peace agreement Zelensky almost signed.

    Not only that, but if as the mod says, F16 won't fly at 30k meters waiting to get spiked, what will it do? It doesn't have range to fly from Lvov to Crimea and back with decent payload, it would have to take off from closer bases

    If it wants to give the HARM useful range it would need to fly high and fast, but no speed would get HARM past most Russian air defence systems... all of which were designed to shoot down anti radiation missiles... from TOR and Pantsir and BUK and S-350 and S-300 and S-400... honestly they should be better able to destroy SAMs with Storm Shadow or Taurus, but they are getting shot down too.

    IMO it could be some f-35 + amraam operating from Bulgaria or Romania.

    You think HATO wants to join the fight against Russia now?

    I would say they are even less keen than they would have just after this fight started.

    If the murkhans are stupid enough to use their AWACS to directly co-ord/control Ukrainian F-16s to attack Russian forces then they need to brought down and splashed all over the Polish countryside. These cnts need to learn some respect, with a good dollop of fear thrown in for good measure. Handling them with kid gloves is only taken as weakness, and NATO cannot be allowed to indulge themselves with these mistaken perceptions...

    They can straight up warn them if they want to do that then they become parties to this war and therefore a valid target... once that warning is issued start shooting down the drones they have been using to support Ukrainian strikes, but really I think hitting the US Embassy in Kiev is the best response of them all because I suspect the Ukrainians think that would never be targeted and therefore would be good safe place to hide people and things they want to keep safe.

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    Post  franco Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:18 pm

    Information on the various areas of fighting in the SVO from Russian sources.

    Donbass Front: Russian Armed Forces advance with fighting https://1rodina-ru.translate.goog/article/donbasskiy-front-vs-rossii-prodvigayutsya-s-boyami?utm_source=warfiles.ru&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:31 pm

    And that it goes up to 120 pcs a day.
    The VKS reached that goal a few days ago in the Kherson area, according to Military Summary Channel.

    AWACS to directly co-ord/control Ukrainian F-16s
    AWACS can be jammed, Link16 can be jammed.

    Nice comment from Larch, from Martyanovs blog:

    The notion that the southern front was the place to attack was fundamentally flawed.

    At stake for the RF was Crimea, the Azov, Sevastopol, the home of the Black Sea Fleet, the Rostov-on-Don GS command HQ, and the quick loss of Transnistria as a follow-on for the Ukies-Moldovans. It also could have led to the severing of the Syrian Express supplying Tartus and Russia's ME operations.

    To think the Russians wouldn't have escalated far beyond that battlezone in self-protection of all those strategic assets is a major flaw in any strategy by an attacker.

    Chechnya alone would have amassed a rapid reaction force of 5 Brigades who would have carved a hole in the Ukie offensive. A thousand Kalibrs and Iskanders would have rained down on the armor.

    Surovikin would have brought his Air Force assets from all over Russia and the Far East if necessary to decimate any breakthrough. He was still the commander of those forces at that time and knew how to use air power against land forces. It was his specialty in Syria.

    The US underestimates all and everything Russian. The US war games were a joke and are all over the world where they use them. It begins with 'We are #1'. The other guys are lessers. In this case, the have no respect for Russia. The US thinks it beat the Nazis and it thinks it destroyed ISIS. So, they program in GI and they win with GO. But it doesn't work in real combat.

    In real combat, the guys with the shovels and washing machine parts have destroyed a 1.5 million-man NATO-US proxy military. It was the best of the West and it had the highest motivation and strategic defenses planned and in place for eight years. All that has been ground to rust and dust by Gerasimov, Shoigu, the General Staff and the Russian MIC.

    Ukraine never had a chance. Devising 'counteroffensives' in Washington and Brussels just added the perfect ingredient for their defeat. Hubris. It is the credo of the US hegemon. Vainglorious bravado and parade ground weapons, unfit for combat, untrained officer corps, triumphal special forces that never experienced artillery barrages like General Dvornikov unleashed on the Ukies from April 2022 for seven months are some of the deficits the war games never included.

    Nothing changes in the West's fantastical thought process. They begin with the delusion that they are #1 and therefore all will fall in front of them in a brief clash. They failed to study the truth in Syria and the truth of Mariupol and what Generals Dvornikov and Surovikin had established for more than 16 months before their foolish NATO counteroffensive across wide open, flat killing fields, mined to the millions with impregnable defenses 60 km deep in triplicate.

    Just factor in this statistic: 480,000 Russian young men and experience vets have volunteered for the SMO.
    The patriotic depth of support is massive in Russia. While in Ukraine, since day one of the SMO, tens of thousands, now likely a million Ukies have fled to Europe. And most of the last years front lines were shanghaied off the streets, conscripts sent to certain death. What war game could produce a victory for the Ukies with those facts in the mix?

    The Order of Battle was a huge formation of NATO/Ukie weaknesses against a formidable classic Russian defense of Mother Russia. The Russians had shown they could fight at 3x less the force strength while the Ukies proved that they would need 10x the traditional strength to attack.

    Even with an equal chance, the terrain was the terrain of cemeteries of invading forces for hundreds of years. Land operations in that region have bested great armies before.

    In this case, Surovikin's mine fields and drones with artillery finished off the Ukies. It was like a beach attacking the ocean. Sand didn't have a chance.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:12 pm

    Hole wrote:While in Ukraine, since day one of the SMO, tens of thousands, now likely a million Ukies have fled to Europe.

    This.
    Not quite sure about author's motives or background, but ...
    I do understand how hard it is for someone non involved to believe in that, as ... we can hardly remember anything like that.

    Because of that, they struggle to acknowledge that we are considering not tens or hundreds of thousand, and not even million, but MILIONS of Ukrainians who left.
    And Russia is just the same window of opportunity for them. You can easily double the number.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:38 pm

    The center of stepove was captured , movement all across the front it seems

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    Post  franco Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:30 pm

    NOTE: Heavy fighting all over the SVO. First time in awhile the MoD daily briefing lists over 1,000 Ukrainian casualties

    Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (as of December 6, 2023)

    The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue to conduct a special military operation

    In the Kupyansk direction, the competent actions of units of the Western Group of Troops, army aviation strikes and artillery fire repelled five attacks by assault groups of the 43rd, 60th mechanized and 57th motorized infantry brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Sinkovka, Ivanovka, Kharkiv region and Lake Liman. The enemy's losses amounted to 140 soldiers, one tank, three armored combat vehicles, two cars, and an M119 howitzer manufactured by the United States.

    In the Krasnolimansk direction, units of the Center group of forces, in cooperation with artillery, repelled an attack by the 5th brigade of the National Guard of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of the settlement of Grigorovka of the Donetsk People's Republic. Also, air strikes defeated the manpower and equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of the Serebryansky forestry.

    The total losses of the enemy in this direction amounted to up to 290 military personnel, two armored combat vehicles, five vehicles, a self-propelled artillery installation M109 Paladin manufactured by the United States, two self-propelled artillery installations Dana Czech production.

    In the Donetsk direction, units of the Southern Group of Troops, in cooperation with aviation and artillery, repelled two attacks by assault groups of the 81st airmobile and 24th mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Belogorovka of the Luhansk People's Republic and Kirovo of the Donetsk People's Republic. In addition, the Armed Forces of Ukraine's manpower and equipment were defeated in the areas of the settlements of Kleshcheyevka, Mayorsk, Andreevka and Maryinka of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    The enemy's losses amounted to up to 300 soldiers, two armored combat vehicles, six vehicles, two Polish-made Krab self-propelled artillery units, two US-made M777 artillery systems and a self-propelled artillery installation "Gvozdika".

    In the South Donetsk direction, units of the Vostok group of forces, in cooperation with assault, army aviation and artillery, inflicted fire damage on the manpower and equipment of the 79th airborne assault, 72nd mechanized brigades and the 128th Brigade of Territorial Defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Novomikhailovka and Makarovka of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    The losses of the Armed Forces amounted to 165 servicemen, three tanks, two infantry fighting vehicles, three cars, two FH-70 howitzers made in Great Britain, a Polish-made Krab self-propelled artillery unit, an M777 artillery system made in the USA, two self-propelled artillery units "Gvozdika" and a MLRS Grad combat vehicle.

    In the Zaporozhye direction, units of the Russian group of troops, air strikes and artillery fire defeated clusters of manpower and equipment of the 33rd, 65th and 118th mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Rabodino and Lukyanovskoye of the Donetsk People's Republic. The enemy's losses amounted to 55 soldiers, two cars and a D-30 howitzer.

    In the Kherson direction, units of Russian troops, artillery fire and air strikes defeated the enemy in the areas of the settlements of Kachkarovka Veseloye and Gavrilovka of the Kherson region.

    The total enemy losses in this area amounted to up to 80 soldiers killed and wounded, three vehicles, the M109 Paladin self-propelled artillery system and the M777 artillery system manufactured by the United States, the D-20 cannon and the electronic warfare station.

    The control points of the 31st mechanized Brigade and the 12th Special Purpose Brigade, the control point of the unmanned aerial vehicles of the 109th Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, ammunition and fuel depots, as well as manpower and military equipment were hit by operational-tactical and army aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles, missile troops and artillery groups of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation equipment in 113 districts.

    By means of air defense, Su-25 and MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian air Force were shot down during the day in the areas of the settlements of Dobropolye of the Donetsk People's Republic and Kamyshevakha of the Zaporozhye region.

    In addition, 76 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed in the areas of the settlements of Ilchenkovo, Novoye, Kharkiv, Mirnoye, Peremozhnoye, Zaporizhia region, Sagi, Radensk, Kherson region, Vladimirovka, Kirillovka, Donetsk People's Republic, Belogorovka and Shipilovka, Luhansk People's Republic, as well as eight HIMARS multiple rocket launchers and a JDAM guided aerial bomb.

    In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 549 aircraft, 257 helicopters, 9541 unmanned aerial vehicles, 442 anti-aircraft missile systems, 13,840 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,188 multiple rocket launchers, 7,253 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 15,986 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12489700@egNews

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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:55 pm

    Not quite sure about author's motives or background, but ...
    Regular commenter on Martyanovs site.
    No dumbass.

    He propably meant a million men that could be used as cannon fodder.

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    Post  RTN Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:31 pm

    RUSSIAN SPECIAL ACHIEVEMENTS SINCE UKRAINE

    1. Grain export from Black Sea is not dependent on Turkey and UN mediated Grain Deal anymore

    2. Baltic sea has become a NATO lake after NATO enlargement. Finland closed its borders to Russian migrants.

    3. Russia is cut off from western tech and is pushed towards China and is now vulnerable to Chinese pressure to give steeper discounts on oil and gas ( check the latest on power of Siberia pipeline). Also Russia is vulnerable with its information systems infested with Huawei and is unable to complete previous weapons' orders and unable to enter new ones that require niche tech like chips.

    4. Young, Urban Russians have left the country by millions.

    5. Kazakhstan has joined western sanctions

    6. Uzbekistan forbade its citizens from joining the SMO

    7. Serbia, Russian ally in the Balkans working faster to join the EU.

    8. Russia still not able to reduce the cost of oil extraction per barrel which remains one of the highest in the world.

    9. All Russia's efforts are directed at the war in Ukraine. Its black sea fleet is severely affected.

    10. Europe is undergoing a structural paradigm shift to finally take its security requirements seriously and militarizing itself. Even if it cannot help Ukraine right away, it would change the security landscape for Europe forever.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:05 pm

    RTN wrote:RUSSIAN SPECIAL ACHIEVEMENTS SINCE UKRAINE

    1. Grain export from Black Sea is not dependent on Turkey and UN mediated Grain Deal anymore

    Russia dominates grain export, Ukraine has lost shipping from Odessa

    2. Baltic sea has become a NATO lake after NATO enlargement. Finland closed its borders to Russian migrants.

    Finland got a 500,000 man army waiting to expand past Karelia and decide on the statehood of the baltics

    3. Russia is cut off from western tech and is pushed towards China and is now vulnerable to Chinese pressure to give steeper discounts on oil and gas ( check the latest on power of Siberia pipeline). Also Russia is vulnerable with its information systems infested with Huawei and is unable to complete previous weapons' orders and unable to enter new ones that require niche tech like chips.

    The chip production has scaled to the point they can pump missiles in industrial amounts, they already have stockpiles exceeding the beginning of the war

    4. Young, Urban Russians have left the country by millions.

    there was a net gain of more than 5 millions alone from new regions and Ukrainian refugees, the number could be as high as 10 million, and those 800,000 liberal russians leaving means all pro western movements are shut down

    5. Kazakhstan has joined western sanctions
    the VDV already went to Almaty in 2020, after we finish off Kiev, they will be much more amicable



    6. Uzbekistan forbade its citizens from joining the SMO

    Uzbeks are a logistical node for import substitution, they are importing car parts, electronics, machine tools from other countries through Uzbekistan into Russian warehouses, its great

    7. Serbia, Russian ally in the Balkans working faster to join the EU.

    Serbia, Hungary, Slovakia, and now the Netherlands are all vetoing the EU budget for aid to Ukraine Laughing demilitarization

    8. Russia still not able to reduce the cost of oil extraction per barrel which remains one of the highest in the world.

    the price of oil is great, 30 dollars above the price cap LOL


    9. All Russia's efforts are directed at the war in Ukraine. Its black sea fleet is severely affected.

    The black sea fleet has the greatest interception record of storm shadow, MALD, JDAM, ATACMS, no other force in the world can say the same


    10. Europe is undergoing a structural paradigm shift to finally take its security requirements seriously and militarizing itself. Even if it cannot help Ukraine right away,  it would change the security landscape for Europe forever.

    you are right, after Kiev, Russia will be forced to settle the problems surrounding Transnistria, and access to Kaliningrad, for that 500,000 men are now facing Klaipeda, Riga, and Tallinn, the removal of NATO equipment to 1997 positions is still a demand of the foreign ministry to NATO, they just enlarged the army to 1.5 million men, I hope europe understands what is coming after Ukraine

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:57 pm

    RTN wrote:...
    7. Serbia, Russian ally in the Balkans working faster to join the EU...

    Serbia was not Russian ally, we are officially neutral

    Not being hostile with someone doesn't mean you are military allies

    And I don't need to recap mutual history and culture

    As for joining EU literally nothing changed since this started, pace is the same, attitude is the same

    Popular support for EU is actually below 50% but nobody wants to advertise it because everyone knows that those pricks will start throwing tantrums so everyone just plays dumb because we all know that it will be decades before they let us sign up so it all just irrelevant yammering anyway


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:15 pm

    🇺🇸⚔🇷🇺White House: there is a high risk of confrontation between the U.S. Armed Forces and Russia after its victory in the Special Military Operation

    The U.S. considers it highly likely that the U.S. military will participate in the confrontation with Russian troops in the event of Russia's victory in Ukraine, said White House strategic communications coordinator John Kirby.

    "The American military is very likely to have to get involved if (Russian President Vladimir - ed.) Putin will win a strategic victory in Ukraine," he told reporters at a briefing.

    Earlier on Wednesday, U.S. President Joe Biden said that he was confident in Russia's attack on NATO countries after the victory in Ukraine.
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    They're saying this, because they will order NATO to cutoff Kaliningrad

    At that point the new leningrad military district will have to advance on the right flank of the Ukrainian military zone into the baltics to force a corridor to Kaliningrad

    That's why the Polish are talking about imminent war, and now the Americans also begin to circulate the dramatic effect of a Russian victory in Ukraine

    As I said, Russia will not negotiate with NATO about security, the war will expand into NATO and demilitarization will commence, should they attempt anything on Kaliningrad and block the gulf of Finland

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:44 pm

    NATO warplanes ‘legitimate targets’ over Ukraine – Moscow

    Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova suggested that F-16 fighters provided to Kiev could fly from within the military bloc's borders

    Russia will not hesitate to destroy US-made F-16 jets sent to Kiev even if they operate from bases outside Ukraine, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova has warned.  

    Speaking at a regular briefing on Wednesday, Zakharova said that Russia was aware that the West would soon provide Ukraine with advanced fighters, the first delivery of which is expected next year.  

    However, the spokeswoman pointed out that “a significant part of Ukraine’s airfield infrastructure has been destroyed, and those American fighters may be operating from airfields outside the country,” including in Poland, Slovakia and Romania.  

    The Russian Armed Forces will consider fighters participating in the conflict on the side of the Ukrainian military as legitimate targets to be destroyed.  
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    It is getting close to the time

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    Post  nomadski Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:29 am

    Is this what Biden / Kirkby said ? " ....If Russia - strategic- victory THEN confident Russia attack NATO ? " So they  : ( 1 ) Believe that victory can be - strategic , tactical , full empty , short , tall , fat , Green , Blue ......(2) Believe that they will take no action , until after this victory ( 3 ) Believe that , it is highly probable they can provoke Russia into overt attack against NATO country , to justify article 5 . ( 4 ) Believe that Russia's victory so far is not strategic !

    If all this is true then it means : Russia liberation of more territory , similar to their partial presence  , will not be viewed as strategic victory . Anything other than partial presence by Russia , such as liberation of entire territory , will be viewed as strategic and PROBABLY force them into covert action against Russia , forcing Russia into overt attack against NATO , thereby allowing NATO to overtly and collectively defend against  Russia !


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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:43 am

    RTN wrote:RUSSIAN SPECIAL ACHIEVEMENTS SINCE UKRAINE

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    It's sad really... this clown seems to have nothing better to do than make a fool of itself in a public forum. Sad...but still most entertaining Razz

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