Russian special military operation in Ukraine #51

This is what apes are supposed to do.
They throw shit all around.
Consider the positive side - otherwise, it would masturbate in public.
Seeing the ape throwing shit is much more safe for your eyes.

I saw an interview (probably already from several years ago), in which the former Ukrainian president Kuchma (the country second president from 1994 to 2005) admitted that they had to lie to the people to obtain the desired results in the referendum on secession from the USSR.

The Ukrainians were told that they "fed everyone", but it turned out to be the opposite. Indeed, when analysts calculated the trade balance between the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR, it turned out to be strongly negative, with Russia subsidizing the loss-making republics, including the Ukrainian SSR.

As soon as the USSR collapsed, it turned out that everything supplied by Russia had to be paid for, and the economic decline of "independent Ukraine" began.

They have made many stupid choices in this war and that's not up for debate, boot lick all you wanr

You can pick and find fault as much as you like, but Putin and Russia have turned a situation that was engineered to destroy their country and get Putin murdered in a civil war, into a situation where Russia is growing and developing and has separated from the evil tentacles of the west... Putin could not have engineered this situation if he had wanted... it was all done from the western side and Russia is so much the better for that.

Any stupid things Russia did centre around assuming a basic humanity in the west that would have stopped them embracing Nazism and pure evil in their efforts to weaken or even destroy countries they perceive as their economic rivals. Russia and China have no interest in destroying the US or the west, but the reverse cannot be said to be true.

The western hate for any alternative to their way of doing things and their culture, just exposes the hypocrisy and evil greed.

The west is like the Catholic church... more interested in appearances and pride than the well being of their own people and their safety.

The US and EU are no better.

1. Grain export from Black Sea is not dependent on Turkey and UN mediated Grain Deal anymore

Ukrainian arms shipments and attacks on Crimea can no longer be launched from waters Russia allows Ukrainian ships to operate in.

2. Baltic sea has become a NATO lake after NATO enlargement. Finland closed its borders to Russian migrants.

The Baltic Sea has always been a HATO dominated zone.

Why should Russia care about people leaving Russia?

3. Russia is cut off from western tech and is pushed towards China and is now vulnerable to Chinese pressure to give steeper discounts on oil and gas ( check the latest on power of Siberia pipeline).

Western technology is over rated and expensive and full of malware and spyware. Russia is much better off creating its own technology and working with China and the rest of the world in developing their own technology.

China is an independent country and will work towards its own interests, but wont give sermons or lectures to Russia about how it should behave or act.

Russia has always wanted to sell cheap gas... cheap gas encourages widespread adoption and use which is good for the customers economy and encourages bulk use of Russian resources. They are not after a short term profit like ships under contract to deliver gas on LNG carriers from Russia to India who get diverted to Europe because they belonged to a Russian company in Germany that has been nationalised and now wants to break its contract with India and just make lots of money by delivering Russian gas to Europe where they pay three or four times more than India was paying.

You talk about the west like it is one entity but as we saw with Covid when times get tough the gloves come off and they are total bastards to each other...

Also Russia is vulnerable with its information systems infested with Huawei and is unable to complete previous weapons' orders and unable to enter new ones that require niche tech like chips.

They make their own military electronics. Huawei is not riddled with spyware and backdoors like western sponsored equipment is... that is why the US fears its widespread adoption because it is processor intensive to crack their codes because there are no backdoors like western technology.

It was exposed when the US was trying to murder Saddam Hussain by using the backdoors on Swedish cellphones he used because he thought they were safe. Neutral my arse.

4. Young, Urban Russians have left the country by millions.

Russians tainted by the west who believe the wests bullshit ran away... most have likely returned with a more realistic view of the west they worship so.

Those 5th columnists leaving has crippled the CIAs traitor network in the country.

5. Kazakhstan has joined western sanctions

And Turkey didn't... a HATO member isn't joining in on western sanctions... good you admit they are western sanctions.

6. Uzbekistan forbade its citizens from joining the SMO

Most countries forbid their citizens from joining conflicts between third parties.

7. Serbia, Russian ally in the Balkans working faster to join the EU.

The EU is an economic market... it would be good to have another Russia friendly country in that organisation to compensate for the fuckwits.

8. Russia still not able to reduce the cost of oil extraction per barrel which remains one of the highest in the world.

What? Russia was making good profits on $40 a barrel. Now it is well over the western price cap of $60...

9. All Russia's efforts are directed at the war in Ukraine. Its black sea fleet is severely affected.

It has massively increased exports and trade with the rest of the world, and is working with BRICS and also in Syria and now Israel... being a positive influence in the world... not something that could be said about the west.... ever....

Russias economy is expanding at a sensible rate of about 3% at a time when the countries that have declared themselves as Russias enemy are either contracting or manipulating numbers to fool themselves. During lockdowns for Covid not much changed in the west because they don't make anything... they don't do anything.

Smoke and mirrors.

10. Europe is undergoing a structural paradigm shift to finally take its security requirements seriously and militarizing itself. Even if it cannot help Ukraine right away, it would change the security landscape for Europe forever.

Europe is still using more Russian gas than China is... despite all their claims they are liars and hypocrites... and fundamentally nazis.

The Ukrainians were told that they "fed everyone", but it turned out to be the opposite. Indeed, when analysts calculated the trade balance between the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR, it turned out to be strongly negative, with Russia subsidizing the loss-making republics, including the Ukrainian SSR.

It is ironic that the west castigates Russia for being a colonial empire, yet it was an empire in reverse... there are villages just out of Moscow that lived much worse than most people in their colonial dominion... Moscow was a reverse colonial power where the colonies often lived better than the supposed masters.

Have been saying it for quite some time... Russia is better of without the eastern european bitches and ex Soviet leeches.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:I saw an interview (probably already from several years ago), in which the former Ukrainian president Kuchma (the country second president from 1994 to 2005) admitted that they had to lie to the people to obtain the desired results in the referendum on secession from the USSR.
The Ukrainians were told that they "fed everyone", but it turned out to be the opposite. Indeed, when analysts calculated the trade balance between the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR, it turned out to be strongly negative, with Russia subsidizing the loss-making republics, including the Ukrainian SSR.
As soon as the USSR collapsed, it turned out that everything supplied by Russia had to be paid for, and the economic decline of "independent Ukraine" began.

Actually, the results of the last USSR referendum were the opposite - people decided in favor of retaining the union state.
The treaty made in Visluki about the dissolution of the SU and the creation of CIS was against it.
A lot of other republics didn't accept that, Kazakhstan is one of them. What Yeltsin, Kuchma and Shushkevych did, was a coup, and the reason behind it was to put their hands on the income made by gas and oil transfers, first of all.
Later, it was presented in the western shitstream as some kind of freedom movement, which it obviously wasn't.

An interesting fact is, that Crimea - as an autonomous republic - established it's sovereignty well before Ukraine did. It was flooded with blood - literally - by Ukro nationalists already back then.

otherwise, it would masturbate in public.

Good that he can only use one hand at the keyboard. Otherwise he would write more stupid shit.

Isolation of Russia in the international arena

In western media SA is always a evil dictatorship unless some western politician shows up, then it
becomes a valuable ally.

Baltic sea has become a NATO lake

Good. Fish in a barrel.

is now vulnerable to Chinese pressure

The west always claims Russia could shut down the pipes.
This means Russia has a large stick and an even bigger carrot to pressure China.
Or guide it in the right direction.

unable to enter new ones that require niche tech like chips.

He should tell that the Russians. It seems they don´t know that.

Young, Urban Russians have left the country by millions.

ot able to reduce the cost of oil extraction per barrel

According to western experts most russian oil companies are making money at 10$ a barrel.
Sounds like low extraction costs to me.

Much lower than that.
When ruble was much stronger dollar rated, Rosneft chief said something about BEP on average pumping in his company being somehow north of $4. I was honestly shocked, as it was quite close to the Saudi costs.

And by the way, it seems that some 40% of the Russkie who fled after 240222 are already back.
Wonder how many shall we add to that as the shit hit the fan in the most popular destination
Bad news is, Pugachova is back, too ...

In the meantime, Putin seems quite busy being isolated, don't you think?





He seems to have more fun rather than non-isolated German president



At least, he has a proper ladder to step down, not like von der Luegen or Bamberboeck

GarryB wrote:It is ironic that the west castigates Russia for being a colonial empire, yet it was an empire in reverse... there are villages just out of Moscow that lived much worse than most people in their colonial dominion... Moscow was a reverse colonial power where the colonies often lived better than the supposed masters.

Have been saying it for quite some time... Russia is better of without the eastern european bitches and ex Soviet leeches.

The last is only partially true, at least for the Ukrainian SSR.
It is probably true that the average soviet ukrainian probably lived better than the average soviet russian, and that they had a negative trade balance.

But it was not a zero sum game, and the cooperation between them allowed a greater gain for both than if they were separate from each other (even if Ukraine benefited more from it).

Furthermore Ukraine had a very important and strategic geographic location (even north western Ukraine) and it was a large damage to have a semi hostile country there instead.

Not too speak about the fact that many large industrial projects in aeronautical, space and shipbuilding industries required close cooperation between industries in the russian and Ukrainian SSR (and to a much lower grade also with other SSR)

As far as the other "leeches", yes there was a negative trade balance with the other soviet nations, but controlling them at least soviet union ensured security for that regions and direct land connection with other countries (that were could be important trading partners) like a large border between the central Asian states and the north western part of China, and a direct land border with Iran and turkey for the Caucasus.

Now America is trying to get (or has already obtained) military bases and bioweapons lab in many of those countries that surround Russia.

Furthermore each of the soviet republics had their production (even if subsidised). In some cases losing them meant having to import those from the west for a much higher price.

As I said, it was not a zero sum game. Russia believed to gain from those but in 1991 it was not ready to be cut from a fundamental part of its supply chain.

Most of the other countries got worse off from the independence. The Baltic statelets have been subsidized from EU in the meanwhile, but that will not last forever (and they are anyway very small and with a small population, so they are not that relevant.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
The last is only partially true, at least for the Ukrainian SSR.

Well, actually it is true, if we consider that from the perspective.
The fact  that well into the Soviet Union Ukrainian SSSR was a production and agriculture hub was an end effect of that what Garry said.
While western powers sucked all the juices out of every colony they had - only Germany being slightly better - the Soviets pumped enormous money for the development of the edges of the empire.
The sole reason why Ukraine was in such a shape, was a fact that it was being industialized at the collective expense for decades.
That is the most ridiculous part of the whole story, when Ukrs having perfectly nothing to do with the struggle that brought Ukrainian SSSR to the status of industrial, agrarian, tech and educational power on pair with France, trying to jump into that shoes. Modern, post1991 Ukraine achieved perfectly nothing, being left with 6 (!!) nuclear power plants, giand high tech industry, and 53mln of well educated and young population.

Edit : something very interesting.
I have taken a short look into local coverage of the things in 404, and the only thing I can say is oh boy oh boy ...
Our local stream is the last that will acknowledge the reality, for multiple reasons not worth mentioning as being both complicated and representing a different stages of mental illness.
Anyway, the most pro404 media, outlets, broadcasts and talking heads are spreading the news soo groomy, that can't be covered any longer. It is enough to read the YT titles, to get that crystal clear. "Ukraine is rolling downhill and gaining speed" is the mildest one. What is hilarious, is the fact that the most active ones are exactly the same channels, that advocated for 404 for the last 22 months. Using all scope of propaganda, obvious lies included. If someone would have been hibernated for the last year, and woke up - he would be deeply shocked. Comments leave no options, everyone already agreed that the war is lost. Ukraine lost any attention, financing, and it would be the best scenario if the things would just freeze. Now. Assisted by a sad comments, that it is close to impossible, as the evil Russkie will dare to take advantage of this situation.
The thing reversed so fast and radical, that even my cynical part finds it hard to understand.

ALAMO wrote:

Well, actually it is true, if we consider that from the perspective.
The fact  that well into the Soviet Union Ukrainian SSSR was a production and agriculture hub was an end effect of that what Garry said.
While western powers sucked all the juices out of every colony they had - only Germany being slightly better - the Soviets pumped enormous money for the development of the edges of the empire.
The sole reason why Ukraine was in such a shape, was a fact that it was being industialized at the collective expense for decades.
That is the most ridiculous part of the whole story, when Ukrs having perfectly nothing to do with the struggle that brought Ukrainian SSSR to the status of industrial, agrarian, tech and educational power on pair with France, trying to jump into that shoes. Modern, post1991 Ukraine achieved perfectly nothing, being left with 6 (!!) nuclear power plants, giand high tech industry, and 53mln of well educated and young population.

Of course, I just meant that for Soviet Union, Ukrainian SSR was not just a Leech. Moscow invested there a lot of money and build there a lot of industries and infrastructures (that otherwise could have been built near Moscow or Sankt Petersburg, in the Volga area or in the russian far east) but at least until 1991 there were many things being produced there for the benefit of all the Soviet Union.

The issue is that before allowing Ukraine to separate Moscow should  have ordered to dismantle completely all large and strategic industries (and their supply chain) and all modern military equipment (i.e. all airplanes, vehicles etc manufactured after 1970) present in the Ukrainian SSR and move them inside Russia, independently from the cost.

I mean during WW2 entire factories near Moscow were moved  to central Asia. They should have dismantled Zorya Mashproekt, yuzmash, motor sich, Kiev and Kharkov aircraft plants, and many others and moved everything in the Volga area.

Pleasure to watch. Into and out of a prepared position, with 4 rounds fired, in around 25 seconds. Might be a bit longer as camera changed position.

The money promises fade away. I doubt that the 50B Euro will actually come through.

Arkanghelsk wrote:White House: there is a high risk of confrontation between the U.S. Armed Forces and Russia after its victory in the Special Military Operation

The U.S. considers it highly likely that the U.S. military will participate in the confrontation with Russian troops in the event of Russia's victory in Ukraine, said White House strategic communications coordinator John Kirby.

"The American military is very likely to have to get involved if (Russian President Vladimir - ed.) Putin will win a strategic victory in Ukraine," he told reporters at a briefing.

Earlier on Wednesday, U.S. President Joe Biden said that he was confident in Russia's attack on NATO countries after the victory in Ukraine.
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They're saying this, because they will order NATO to cutoff Kaliningrad

At that point the new leningrad military district will have to advance on the right flank of the Ukrainian military zone into the baltics to force a corridor to Kaliningrad

That's why the Polish are talking about imminent war, and now the Americans also begin to circulate the dramatic effect of a Russian victory in Ukraine

As I said, Russia will not negotiate with NATO about security, the war will expand into NATO and demilitarization will commence, should they attempt anything on Kaliningrad and block the gulf of Finland

I think the Polish imminent war will be against the Ukrainian fifth column currently present in Poland.


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Poland is in no position to fight Russia, after giving away for free huge portion of its armaments to Ukraine.

Polands rethoric has moderated quite a bit since Russia chewed to the summer offensive and a bunch of Poles returned home in pieces in bags. Plus you can bet they got some alarming reports from the ones that made it home alive.

mnztr wrote:Polands rethoric has moderated quite a bit since Russia chewed to the summer offensive and a bunch of Poles returned home in pieces in bags. Plus you can bet the got some alarming reports from the ones that made it home alive.

Poland's rhetoric is double-faced from the very beginning.
The most calming moment from my perspective was when Vovan and Lexus called acting president.
He was openly stating that the war with Russia is perfectly the last thing they think about.
We have shipped the hardware, with no real alternative in the existing political situation.
I guess that EU and US blackmailing was a giant part of it.
Polish army was the biggest reservoir of equipment left in Europe, objectively speaking.
Again, I have no idea what kind of blackmail was used.
The number of Poles killed in 404 is seriously overestimated, for propaganda goals.
And from the both sides.
The last revealed book by one of our reporters that is - objectively speaking - quite close to the sources, however I disagree with him in general - cites clearly that the polish special forces were evacuated from 404 back in March 2022 already. There was no desire nor readiness for bodybags of Polish uniformed soldiers returned as 200.

I doubt that the 50B Euro will actually come through.

Let it come. There is no military equipment they could buy with the money.
It will end in the pockets of Zelensky and his buddies.

Pleasure to watch.

Second soldier reparing the damage done to the ground.
Must be a Golf player. Or a member of the Green Party.

move them inside Russia

Back then it was just a dirty game by politicians to get rid of Gorby and funnel money into their own pockets.
Neither Moscow nor Kiev had the intention to cut ties to each other or stop working together.
That was implemented later from the outside and Elzin was to lazy (and drunk) to do anything against it.

Arkanghelsk wrote:You understand what Poland is doing? They, along with Baltic and Finland want to choke the baltic fleet from Gulf of Finland, blocking Russia in Peter
And then Poland which has Gdansk, is hungry for Kaliningrad
They want to block Russians and storm the area

They are totally retarded in presenting this as a "win". NATO has always been able to close the Baltic to Russian shipping if they wanted to. Denmark and Norway are in NATO. Just look at a map. Having the Baltics and Finland in NATO changes this 0%.

If they invade Kaliningrad, or blockade it, then the Baltics will just be annexed by Russia.

Interesting the number of screens and the detail on them in this command center.

JohninMK wrote:Interesting the number of screens and the detail on them in this command center.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1732865670423970016

You were faster with the post

This is no longer a war. This is slaughter. At any time, Russia can move forward here. Does NATO want war? In a week they will be where Ukraine is today. Applied to the ground to porridge. At the moment, NATO has nothing to achieve a different result than Ukraine. Every NATO general should be pounding the brains of Western politicians and the elite, stop now. If not, welcome to the slaughterhouse.