Russian special military operation in Ukraine #51

Wreaks of desperation,

With a 30% approval rating, the collapse of the democratic party is in full swing

It seems they have reached the level to threaten congress openly, saying they will send the republican base to war to fight Russia - hence the NATO meltdown

Now they threaten if they don't get what they want, to start some kind of provocation

The talking monkey is in for a serious wake up call

The west always claims Russia could shut down the pipes.
This means Russia has a large stick and an even bigger carrot to pressure China.
Or guide it in the right direction. Wink

In all the time that the US claimed Russia controlled the EU by supplying it with cheap gas they have said that Russia would use it to bully the EU into doing things Russia wanted... which is immensely hilarious because that is both exactly what the US would do if it was supplying the gas, and also exactly what Russia never did all this time... they have had plenty of opportunity to use gas supplies to bully Europe but it has not done that. The funny thing is that the US wanted Europe to stop buying Russian gas to avoid Russia controlling the EU so the US could sell its own much more expensive energy to Europe and therefore also exert control over Europe while making them pay more for energy.

And the real irony is that Europe still buys mostly Russian gas but just pays rather more for it and pretends it comes from third parties rather than from Russia... there has been no huge new vendor supplying gas that wasn't in the market before... it is just Russian gas with a different label.

Russia does not want to bully China any more than they ever tried to bully Europe... If China does not want to trade with Russia or the EU does not want to trade with Russia then that is fine... they will find other customers to take their cheap energy.

It is not a hard sell except to zealots and morons in the west.

Now America is trying to get (or has already obtained) military bases and bioweapons lab in many of those countries that surround Russia.

Only because they are evil, and it is not all of America... just the US. What they don't realise is that maintaining all these bases and bio labs is part of what is suffocating them and when they leave their research will likely be seized by nutters and despots... who hopefully resent being cut off from the feeding trough and direct their anger at the west.

Furthermore each of the soviet republics had their production (even if subsidised). In some cases losing them meant having to import those from the west for a much higher price.

Rubbish... they could easily have set up production for everything in Russia and left those republics to supply raw materials and a market for Russian goods.

Ukraine lost any attention, financing, and it would be the best scenario if the things would just freeze.

So after 22 months of demanding everything back including Crimea and of course Putins head on a plate etc, they now want things to stay as they are because they think that although they are collapsing that a stalemate has been achieved so lets freeze this conflict like Korea or China/Taiwan.

Except abusing the words of some guy... we have not yet begun to fight... Russian forces are in an excellent position and Russia has no reason to believe kiev or the west, so lets listen to what they say and continue to hold their head under water...

Of course, I just meant that for Soviet Union, Ukrainian SSR was not just a Leech. Moscow invested there a lot of money and build there a lot of industries and infrastructures (that otherwise could have been built near Moscow or Sankt Petersburg, in the Volga area or in the russian far east) but at least until 1991 there were many things being produced there for the benefit of all the Soviet Union.

It is worse than a leech... it is an American ex wife who demands half of everything...

The issue is that before allowing Ukraine to separate Moscow should have ordered to dismantle completely all large and strategic industries (and their supply chain) and all modern military equipment (i.e. all airplanes, vehicles etc manufactured after 1970) present in the Ukrainian SSR and move them inside Russia, independently from the cost.

They never would have agreed to that... in fact they would have demanded a few trillion in compensation for the damage they think Russia did to them holding them back all the last century.

I mean during WW2 entire factories near Moscow were moved to central Asia. They should have dismantled Zorya Mashproekt, yuzmash, motor sich, Kiev and Kharkov aircraft plants, and many others and moved everything in the Volga area.

In 1991 perhaps, but by 2008 or so they are better off starting off from scratch with new equipment and new technology and materials in Russia like they have already done. The loss of the experts and skilled engineers is a shame but they can train and employ new people who are not trying to sabotage Russia.

Second soldier reparing the damage done to the ground.
Must be a Golf player. Or a member of the Green Party.

It might be like a sniper position with directions and locations registered from there so and the fact that it is also level ground means placing the mortar identifying the direction and firing at the suitable angle and then leaving as quickly as possible. Replacing the divot means you can return and keep playing at that club without fear of being cut from the membership.

If they invade Kaliningrad, or blockade it, then the Baltics will just be annexed by Russia.

Exactly... HATO countries invading and occupying Russian territory (Kaliningrad) would be an excellent opportunity for Russia to invade those countries and liberate its own territory from an occupier. Article 5 does not apply if Russia is defending itself from HATO attack. or actions outside HATO territory.

**** article 5, all Russia has to do is say anyone that votes in favor gets a nuke on their capital.

JohninMK wrote:Interesting the number of screens and the detail on them in this command center.
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What are you even talking about? Our local armchair general staff can do much better than that, without all that screens!

Increasingly, people in Ukraine began to say that Russia has overtaken Ukraine in the UAV case, which threatens the security of Ukraine, which will not be able to withstand this problem.

Volunteer Maria Berlinskaya stated :

- “We are running out of people. If we don’t replace them, we will have to sit down at the negotiating table”;

- “The Russians have surpassed us many times over (in drones). If their superiority continues to increase, we will have to retreat tens of kilometers in a matter of weeks.”
We write about this constantly, since 2022, when the Kremlin began building factories en masse.
https://t.me/legitimniy/16853

Jesus guys...

That amount of people who believe some weak nations, that were only forcefully conscripted by their installed pro-Western governments, will be defended in TOTAL WAR style against pEvil Russia for the slightest thing is to damn high.

Article 5 is much as a bluff as the red lines Russia drew the past 12 years. Russia wasn't striking capitals and decision making centers in the expected way or intepreted way based on VVPs words.

What Russia did and does is using economical and political leverage on colonies of the West and the status quo.

Nukes are the main reason why wars are very locally contained and not used.

But I am quite sure Poland, Germany, the US, France, Turkey and the UK will happily die for some Estonian, Latvian and other lands and their useless nation.

GarryB wrote:

Second soldier reparing the damage done to the ground.
Must be a Golf player. Or a member of the Green Party.

It might be like a sniper position with directions and locations registered from there so and the fact that it is also level ground means placing the mortar identifying the direction and firing at the suitable angle and then leaving as quickly as possible. Replacing the divot means you can return and keep playing at that club without fear of being cut from the membership.

If they invade Kaliningrad, or blockade it, then the Baltics will just be annexed by Russia.

Exactly... HATO countries invading and occupying Russian territory (Kaliningrad) would be an excellent opportunity for Russia to invade those countries and liberate its own territory from an occupier. Article 5 does not apply if Russia is defending itself from HATO attack. or actions outside HATO territory.

Yes, that mortar base plate was firmly in the ground and left there for next time. It didn't look to me like a divot he covered it with, far too light, it was a bundle of grass to camouflage it.

Article 5 is basically a political/PR clause, not military, put there to give the leaders of all the small countries a warm glow to sell their populations that the big countries would protect them from the big bad wolf if push came to shove. But it was carefully drafted to cover a response from the level of a stiff letter/angry Ambassador visit to full blown military support whilst excluding anything self inflicted like a provocation/attack themselves.

In reality, as often pointed out here, the likelihood of London, Paris or Berlin, let alone New York, being put at risk to 'save' the Baltics is just not conceivable. The only problem I see is what happens to the now thousands of US/British troops now stationed there as a trip wire. As such an event would not come out of the blue, maybe they would be quietly relocated west.

Belisarius wrote:Increasingly, people in Ukraine began to say that Russia has overtaken Ukraine in the UAV case, which threatens the security of Ukraine, which will not be able to withstand this problem.

Volunteer Maria Berlinskaya stated :

- “We are running out of people. If we don’t replace them, we will have to sit down at the negotiating table”;

- “The Russians have surpassed us many times over (in drones). If their superiority continues to increase, we will have to retreat tens of kilometers in a matter of weeks.”
We write about this constantly, since 2022, when the Kremlin began building factories en masse.
https://t.me/legitimniy/16853

She said more than that.
First of all, she was addressing increasing number of Russian drones that are commanded by automatic systems based on AI or computer models. That need no guidance as recognize the targets autonomously and decide to strike with no human supervision. And soon Russians will use thousands of those.
In Ukrainian :
https://t.me/c/1638135777/24085

And that is all correct, the number of strike vids ith "target locked" mark is steadily increasing. And I have noticed one more thing - the mark is displayed on the top and on the bottom of a vid. That suggests we have at least two types of drones that have at least autotracking systems.

Challenger 2

Interesting the number of screens and the detail on them in this command center.

Looks like your usual sports bar, including the bearded guy who knows best.

they could easily have set up production for everything in Russia and left those republics

But the factories were in Russia. Nobody cared about the artificial borders drawn by the Commies. Until
late in the 90´s.

Yes, that mortar base plate was firmly in the ground...

The sense of humor is very weak in both of you.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Article 5 doesn't protect a country if it goes in first sure but.

Let's say one of the baltics goes in, Russia reacts and invades all three.

Article 5 would be triggered as 2\3 of them where attacked first when only one of them in this case would be the aggressor and only the aggressor losses article 5 protection

And which NATO country would send their servicemen to fight Russia there knowing that it would be targeted as well? No NATO country has conventional weapon superiority in an area that is within 1000 km from the russian border (and Bielorussian territory is to be considered as russian territory for this).
Except from going nuclear they have exhausted their escalation potential.

What is the worst they can do? Add other Sanctions.to Russia???

Be sure that if germany or Finland attack Russia to defend Estonia and Latvia (in case the attack to Kaliningrad was only done by Lithuania) they will have a military rebellion inside their own country the moment they get russian bombs and missile in their cities.

Hole wrote:
Challenger 2

Yeah, this is the first one cooked off.
Worth to notice the new T-64BM, at least what was left of it.
And roughly 100 tonnes of other scrap metal scattered all around.
Russkie just beat the shit out of the entire mechanized company there.

LMUR
https://t.me/btr80/12677

Victor vicktop55
@vicktop55
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It's right.
Elena Panina, director of the Institute of International Strategic Studies:
The fact that Putin announced his plans to run for a new presidential term in the Kremlin not to just anyone but to the Hero of the DPR leaves no room for doubt:
There will be no “freeze” of military operations in Ukraine.

https://t.me/vicktop55/19036

The quantities shrink. They need more medical stuff.

Germany
New package of military aid to Ukraine.

- Over 1,750 155 mm shells.
- 70 MGW automatic grenade launchers.
- Reconnaissance drone LUNA NG.
- 10 VECTOR reconnaissance drones with spare parts.
- 6 patrol cars.
- 8 Zetros trucks.
- 100,000 first aid kits.
- other medications
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Since the beginning of the Special Military Operation, the Russian Armed Forces have launched more than 3,000 kamikaze drones "Geran-2"

The Military Informant decided to collect, analyze and summarize data on the use of kamikaze drones "Geranium-2" (Shahed-136) . Daily press releases of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were used as a source of information. Such data cannot be called objective, however, they indirectly allow us to trace the dynamics of the use of kamikaze drones.

According to these data, from the first day of application, a total of 3083 "Gerani" were launched . The most intense month was September 2023, when the Ukrainian Armed Forces were attacked by 503 drones. The most massive raid took place on November 25, 2023, when 75 drones were used. On average, the Russian Armed Forces launch 193 drones every month.

-Military Informant

#Source (https://t.me/milinfolive/112193?single)

Slavyangrad TG

Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (for the period from December 3 to December 8, 2023)

In the period from December 3 to December 8 this year, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out 30 group strikes with precision weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles on the military airfield infrastructure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: arsenals, places of storage of artillery ammunition, military equipment and fuel bases. In addition, the locations of the AFU units, nationalist formations and foreign mercenaries were affected. All assigned objects are hit.

In the Kupyansk direction, units of the "Western" grouping of troops improved the position along the front edge in some areas and repelled 19 enemy attacks. Air strikes, artillery fire and heavy flamethrower systems defeated the manpower and equipment of the 25th airborne, 57th motorized infantry, 41st, 43rd and 60th mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Sinkovka, Ivanovka, Berestovoye, Peschanoye of the Kharkiv region and Nevsky of the Luhansk People's Republic.

The enemy's losses during the week amounted to over 480 military personnel, three tanks, 13 armored combat vehicles, 12 vehicles and seven field artillery guns.

In the Krasnolimansk direction, units of the Center group of troops improved the situation along the front edge in the area of the settlement of Yampolovka of the Donetsk People's Republic and, with the support of aviation and artillery fire, repelled ten attacks by assault groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In addition, the concentrations of manpower of the 95th airborne assault, 63rd and 66th mechanized brigades, as well as the 12th special purpose brigade, were defeated in the areas of the settlements of Kirovsk, Torskoye, Yampol and Serebryanka of the Donetsk People's Republic.

The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this area amounted to more than 1,445 military personnel, 11 armored combat vehicles, 17 vehicles and five field artillery guns.

In the Donetsk direction, the "Southern" grouping of troops inflicted fire damage on enemy personnel and equipment in the areas of the settlements of Marinka, Kurdyumovka, Bogdanovka, Andreevka and Kleshcheyevka of the Donetsk People's Republic. Over the past week, Russian units in this area have repelled 18 enemy attacks.

The total losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than 1,560 military personnel, 12 armored combat vehicles, 17 vehicles and 22 field artillery guns.

In the South Donetsk direction, units of the Vostok group of forces, with air strikes and artillery fire, defeated units of the 58th motorized Infantry, 79th airborne assault, 23rd, 72nd mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the 102nd Air Defense Brigade in the areas of the settlements of Novomikhailovka, Ugledar, Urozhodnoye of the Donetsk People's Republic and Levadnoye, Zaporizhia region.

The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to over 845 servicemen, three tanks, 13 armored combat vehicles, 17 vehicles, 12 field artillery guns and a MLRS Grad combat vehicle.

In the Zaporozhye direction, units of the Russian troops conducted an active defense during which they repelled five attacks by assault groups of the 82nd airborne assault, 117th and 118th mechanized brigades in the areas of the settlements of Verbovoye, Nesteryanka and Uspenovka in the Zaporozhye region.

Also, fire damage was inflicted on the manpower and equipment of the 46th airmobile, 33rd and 65th mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of Dorozhnyanka, Malaya Tokmachka and Rabodino settlements of the Zaporozhye region. The enemy's losses during the week amounted to 260 military personnel, six armored combat vehicles, 15 vehicles and five field artillery guns.

In the Kherson direction, the attempts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to cross by sabotage groups to the left bank of the Dnieper and the islands were thwarted by complex fire damage and preemptive actions of Russian troops. In addition, air strikes and artillery fire defeated the manpower and equipment of the 35th and 36th Marine Brigades, the 124th Air Defense Brigade in the areas of the settlements of Tyaginka, Tokarevka, Nikolskoye and Chernobaevka of the Kherson region.

As a result of the fighting, the enemy's losses amounted to 350 soldiers, 13 field artillery guns, 17 vehicles and 21 boats.

During the week, five Ukrainian aircraft were shot down by air defense means, of which: three Mig-29 and two Su-25, as well as one Mi-8 helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force. In addition, 11 HIMARS multiple rocket launchers, two HARM anti-radar missiles, two S-200 anti-aircraft missiles converted to hit ground targets, one JDAM guided aerial bomb and 224 unmanned aerial vehicles were intercepted.

During the week, 12 Ukrainian servicemen were captured.

In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 550 aircraft, 257 helicopters, 9577 unmanned aerial vehicles, 442 anti-aircraft missile systems, 13,894 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,188 multiple rocket launcher combat vehicles, 7,279 field artillery and mortars, as well as 16056 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12490027@egNews

According to these data, from the first day of application, a total of 3083 "Gerani" were launched . The most intense month was September 2023, when the Ukrainian Armed Forces were attacked by 503 drones. The most massive raid took place on November 25, 2023, when 75 drones were used. On average, the Russian Armed Forces launch 193 drones every month.


That must be where the production rate of 200 per month comes from.

https://t.me/milinfolive/112200

Footage of enemy FH77BW L52 Archer self-propelled guns in the Kremennaya area has appeared.

ALAMO wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Interesting the number of screens and the detail on them in this command center.
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What are you even talking about? Our local armchair general staff can do much better than that, without all that screens!

That room could be the control center of any industrial plant, just replace the drone feeds with SCADA GUIs.

Its also interesting how involved the micro is for the troops on the ground to safely maneuver through dangerous obstacles and enemy fields of fire to their targets. The infantry for all intents and purposes practically have a wallhack so I can definitely see how the Russians are stacking bodies even on face to face firefights.

There will be no “freeze” of military operations in Ukraine.

The only one freezing is Biden.

Over 1,750 155 mm shells.

Nearly all shells produced this year in Germany.

That must be where the production rate of 200 per month comes from.

Because Russians never build up stocks of anything.

Footage of enemy FH77BW L52 Archer self-propelled guns

Soon their will be footage of burning and exploding Archers.

maneuver through dangerous obstacles

The Ukro near the end of the footage didn´t have this luxury.
Already gave up and than stepped on a mine.

Belisarius wrote:Increasingly, people in Ukraine began to say that Russia has overtaken Ukraine in the UAV case, which threatens the security of Ukraine, which will not be able to withstand this problem.

Volunteer Maria Berlinskaya stated :

- “We are running out of people. If we don’t replace them, we will have to sit down at the negotiating table”;

- “The Russians have surpassed us many times over (in drones). If their superiority continues to increase, we will have to retreat tens of kilometers in a matter of weeks.”
We write about this constantly, since 2022, when the Kremlin began building factories en masse.
https://t.me/legitimniy/16853

THis is just FPV drones, Urkaine has never fielded anything like Lancelet which has gen 3 starting production already. Not to mention Orlan or Okhotnik. Then there are the new low cost Lancelet inspsired drones. We are talking several orders of magnitude. The glide bombs are also drones. the CBU glide bombss are frankly terrifying and then there is Geran.

Now this is heavy duty trolling

Russian army trolls AFU with laser show on Ukraine's "Army Day" (Dec 6)

https://twitter.com/simpatico771/status/1732953846580674588

WARNING: contains sexual matters

Makes sense. Falls asleep in the open, dies of cold.

Chebureki Man
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Ten percent of Ukrainian soldier mortality is attributed to cardiac arrest or hypothermia.

Possibly falsely, so that families get cheated out of better compensation:

Currently, 10% of obituaries on the Ukrainian side are related to either hypothermia or cardiac arrest. This mainly applies to soldiers aged over 50. In the postmortem there is no diagnosis of the disease, they simply write that he died. Natural death, for which payments are minimal.