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Log inIf the A50 is lost then its due to carelessness. This plane has no reason to be operating within range of the front lines. Maybe an SU-27 was sent for it. In any case Russia has 22 of them with about 8 being the latest mod, and a newer version being finalized. I hope its not the case but its a stark reminder that amidst the successes, Russian boys are still dying in significant numbers and Ukraine needs to be brought to heel
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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
Arkanghelsk Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:53 am
I doubt A50U has been lost
For one, the sea of azov depth is 7 metres, 14 metres at the deepest point
The height of A50U is 14 metres
If this plane was shot down over the sea of azov, it would be easy to find, as Azov is not much more than a diving pool
As for overland shoot down, pictures would be easy to find
I wouldn't pay attention to it unless real evidence comes out, which by now isn't top hard to find, given that il22 was quickly posted
For one, the sea of azov depth is 7 metres, 14 metres at the deepest point
The height of A50U is 14 metres
If this plane was shot down over the sea of azov, it would be easy to find, as Azov is not much more than a diving pool
As for overland shoot down, pictures would be easy to find
I wouldn't pay attention to it unless real evidence comes out, which by now isn't top hard to find, given that il22 was quickly posted
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
sepheronx Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:15 am
I agree with the others here. It is a wait and see but in either case, it would be easy to prove. We already have photo of damaged Il-22. So I'm guessing there was mixed messages if it was a Il-22 or A-50 so they went with both claims.
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Loose an awacs to friendly fire is very bad. Elint and radar signature makes it easy to recognize for russian AD.
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Two main aviation channels are refusing to elaborate and saying RIP to those killed. No other info. They do know, but they are keeping the dignity and waiting for MOD instead of running their mouth like almost all other channels do.
I am even afraid to check Ukrainian channels… last time these idiots talked about Patriot and F-16…
I am even afraid to check Ukrainian channels… last time these idiots talked about Patriot and F-16…
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
Odin of Ossetia Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:58 am
ArgentinaGuard wrote:Have you seen any Ukrainians in England?JohninMK wrote:I think that there is around another 200k in the UK.
EU hosts 4.27 million Ukrainian refugees - Eurostat.
The largest number of Ukrainians in:
Germany - 1,235,960 (28.9 per cent);
Poland - 955 110 (22.3 per cent)
Czech Republic - 369 330 (8.6 per cent).
In fact, this is only half the truth. Most Ukrainians have fled to Russia. And there are 5.3 million of them!
@ukraine_watch
The map is very misleading:
1) The number of them in Poland is very under-reported. They have been coming to Poland in more significant numbers since at least 2014.
2) There are more than a few of them in the U.K.
3) And what about the Netherlands?
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
Stealthflanker Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:40 pm
Odin of Ossetia wrote:
The map is very misleading:
1) The number of them in Poland is very under-reported. They have been coming to Poland in more significant numbers since at least 2014.
2) There are more than a few of them in the U.K.
3) And what about the Netherlands?
and more importantly, how many fled to Russia ?
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Regular wrote:Two main aviation channels are refusing to elaborate and saying RIP to those killed. No other info. They do know, but they are keeping the dignity and waiting for MOD instead of running their mouth like almost all other channels do.
I am even afraid to check Ukrainian channels… last time these idiots talked about Patriot and F-16…
I don't remember russian MoD admitting any loss in this war.
Even for the Moskva they barely talked. Same for all their jets that were shot down, 0 info from them.
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Stealthflanker wrote:
and more importantly, how many fled to Russia ?
An estimated 5.3M
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
Airbornewolf Mon Jan 15, 2024 2:56 pm
NSFW for killed troops
18+, Kiev's assaults over the Kherson river
RF SU-25 flyby
RF soldier dodges Ukrainian drone
RF Hurricane artillery firing
18+, Kiev's assaults over the Kherson river
RF SU-25 flyby
RF soldier dodges Ukrainian drone
RF Hurricane artillery firing
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18+, Kiev's assaults over the Kherson river
So that are the big amphibious assaults by the Banderites, two dudes in a boat.
You have to ask, are those guys retarded or on drugs?
After seeing hundreds of boats getting destroyed, hundreds of fighters drowning, hundreds of dead bodies waiting on the
other side...
Why don´t they shoot their superiors?
There is no military value in that operation. Even a complete moron should realize that.
Agile move.RF soldier dodges Ukrainian drone
A baseball bat could be a good anti-drone weapon.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
Airbornewolf Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:38 pm
Hahaha 
, i wanted to add a stauffenberg joke in that 18+ post. but removed it at the last second.
But indeed, it is insane.
, i wanted to add a stauffenberg joke in that 18+ post. but removed it at the last second.But indeed, it is insane.
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Hole wrote:
Agile move.RF soldier dodges Ukrainian drone
A baseball bat could be a good anti-drone weapon.
Well you had best not hit the front but it still may go off. Were the guys swearing the drone operators? Thats a good move, once the are in the terminal dive it should not be that hard to dodge them. They should get the troops to practice dodge ball so they are ready for drones.
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FRIENDLY FIRE: A Russian BUK missile hit an Il-22. The injured crew landed the plane safely.
-> No AWACS Plane was involved, hence not hit nor downed.
Regarding the successfully landing of the Il-22 after being hit by an anti-aircraft missile, even with wounded on board.
Moreover, the pilot who made it to the airfield was himself seriously wounded. A true hero of Russia.
This is not the first time that this aircraft has successfully survived under SAM fire, only, apparently, this time the fire turned out to be friendly.
Thus, at the beginning of last year it became known that the Il-22M-11, while working behind the front line on April 3, 2022, was hit near the side by two anti-aircraft missiles from the Ukrainian Buk air defense system.
Despite more than 200 holes, leaking fuel and only one normally working engine, the commander of the Il-22 was able to make it to Rostov-on-Don, where he made a successful landing.
@MyLordBebo
FRIENDLY FIRE: A Russian BUK missile hit an Il-22. The injured crew landed the plane safely.-> No AWACS Plane was involved, hence not hit nor downed.
Regarding the successfully landing of the Il-22 after being hit by an anti-aircraft missile, even with wounded on board.
Moreover, the pilot who made it to the airfield was himself seriously wounded. A true hero of Russia.
This is not the first time that this aircraft has successfully survived under SAM fire, only, apparently, this time the fire turned out to be friendly.
Thus, at the beginning of last year it became known that the Il-22M-11, while working behind the front line on April 3, 2022, was hit near the side by two anti-aircraft missiles from the Ukrainian Buk air defense system.
Despite more than 200 holes, leaking fuel and only one normally working engine, the commander of the Il-22 was able to make it to Rostov-on-Don, where he made a successful landing.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
Arkanghelsk Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:02 pm
Good to hear, although even the damage to IL22 is not a thing to be happy about
Well I guess they can cannibalize one of those reserve planes to change the tail section
Well I guess they can cannibalize one of those reserve planes to change the tail section
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And the truth is here...
I hope they take this opportunity to look into replacing older aircraft with newer ones and of course examine what happened to make it much less likely to happen again in the future.
Russian AD is so good it is better than the enemies AD that includes old Soviet stuff and brand new HATO stuff...
Maybe new Tu-214 based replacements for the Il-20s and Il-22s and other old aircraft...
I hope they take this opportunity to look into replacing older aircraft with newer ones and of course examine what happened to make it much less likely to happen again in the future.
Russian AD is so good it is better than the enemies AD that includes old Soviet stuff and brand new HATO stuff...
Maybe new Tu-214 based replacements for the Il-20s and Il-22s and other old aircraft...
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Who knew...the Irish were right 
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Do not trust it. Frankly if there was any natosphere involvement then missiles should hit at least two elint aircraft the west is flying bear the conflict zone. And no I do not mean a drone. I mean the top tier stuff. In fact it is time Russia poked NATO in both eyes.
Then let them do what they want. Tit for that on any horseshit they pulled.
Then let them do what they want. Tit for that on any horseshit they pulled.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
Stealthflanker Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:43 pm
JohninMK wrote:Lord Bebo
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-> No AWACS Plane was involved, hence not hit nor downed.
Regarding the successfully landing of the Il-22 after being hit by an anti-aircraft missile, even with wounded on board.
Moreover, the pilot who made it to the airfield was himself seriously wounded. A true hero of Russia.
This is not the first time that this aircraft has successfully survived under SAM fire, only, apparently, this time the fire turned out to be friendly.
Thus, at the beginning of last year it became known that the Il-22M-11, while working behind the front line on April 3, 2022, was hit near the side by two anti-aircraft missiles from the Ukrainian Buk air defense system.
Despite more than 200 holes, leaking fuel and only one normally working engine, the commander of the Il-22 was able to make it to Rostov-on-Don, where he made a successful landing.
That's actually terrifying tho. Why that Buk run loose ? Does it not operate in conjunction with higher echelon (e.g 9S18 radar). Tho also make sense for Buk as the TELAR have NO IFF whatsoever even the latest Buk dont have them. Why ? emmission security, can't risk the battery being exposed just because it tries to interrogate.
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We have a lot of 6th column fluff from Russian bloggers such as Rybar. Mercouris frames this nicely in his latest video. Rybar
was bleating about ice on the Dnepr making it easy for Ukr bridgehead efforts to proceed but now is spewing the exact opposite
line. Rybar and other such outfits may as well be NATzO psyops. They really do work in tandem with Kiev regime social media
propaganda. Agitation is not just about one side making claims of success, it is also about the "other" side pushing defeatist
drivel. The NATzO expectation that the Russian government would be destabilized by this proxy war must have been based
on something other than lunatic delusions. They must have an array of assets in Russia that. I think these 6th column
bloggers are 5th column stooges.
was bleating about ice on the Dnepr making it easy for Ukr bridgehead efforts to proceed but now is spewing the exact opposite
line. Rybar and other such outfits may as well be NATzO psyops. They really do work in tandem with Kiev regime social media
propaganda. Agitation is not just about one side making claims of success, it is also about the "other" side pushing defeatist
drivel. The NATzO expectation that the Russian government would be destabilized by this proxy war must have been based
on something other than lunatic delusions. They must have an array of assets in Russia that. I think these 6th column
bloggers are 5th column stooges.
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Stealthflanker wrote:
That's actually terrifying tho. Why that Buk run loose ? Does it not operate in conjunction with higher echelon (e.g 9S18 radar). Tho also make sense for Buk as the TELAR have NO IFF whatsoever even the latest Buk dont have them. Why ? emmission security, can't risk the battery being exposed just because it tries to interrogate.
We have no information about the operators of this particular system. Was it friendly fire or was it Ukr infiltration. Russians and Ukrainians are interchangeable since they
are the same ethnic group at the end of the day. It is surprising that more sabotage efforts have not happened. Perhaps we don't hear about most of them.
If it was merely a technical issue, then the number of such "accidents" would be vastly higher.
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Safe corridor , variable on daily basis , can be set up for planes landing and taking-off . Supposing IFF is not working 100% , then guns simply physically limited in pointing in safe direction ?
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Yeah I think the 6th columnist types great and small exist. Try going to an actual Russian defense forum. The negativity and seething is at bizarre levels. But I will say one thing. If I were one of the shot callers in Russia I would make it clear that if another a-50 gets touched, even by "bird strike", then I would call for the destruction of western elint working for Ukraine even in natosphere countries.
But it is probably for the best I am not a shot caller, and for many reasons. Russia knows what they must do.
But it is probably for the best I am not a shot caller, and for many reasons. Russia knows what they must do.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
Stealthflanker Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:49 am
kvs wrote:
If it was merely a technical issue, then the number of such "accidents" would be vastly higher.
If it's sabotage it would be far more frequent tbh. as Ukrainians wants to reduce as much as firepower as possible to the Russians instead of wasting all those potentials on publicity attacks and make beliefs.
Technical issues can be found and remedied relatively rapidly.
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Most definitely not FSB wrote:Agent Arestovich: the Ukraine will lose, but who will be cleared out, let's speak the truth, the extreme patriots, and Russophobes, Nazis and Banderites, in short. The rest of the population will live just as before
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