Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52

JohninMK wrote:Real desperation. It looks like the strikes hit the right factories.

Ukraine's Minister of Digital Transformation, Mikhail Fedorov, has urged Ukrainians to assemble FPV drones for the Armed Forces of Ukraine at home. Authorities in Kiev believe this will kick-start the mass production of drones.

The minister advised Ukrainians to undergo free training and assemble drones themselves. According to him, production is now developing, and while companies are gaining momentum, citizens "can personally lead Ukraine to victory, even on the home front". He spoke of one such initiative, the People's Drone project, which involves building 7-inch FPV drones at home.

While the Ukrainian government steals foreign aid, citizens are encouraged to build drones at home. To each his own.

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Am waiting for them to tell Ukrainians to start making 152mm, 122mm, artillery shells in their homes.

Ukraine admitted that the strikes on the 13th destroyed facilities making 122mm, 152mm shells and 125mm tank rounds. Something the west struggles to supply them with.

Currently it seems the west can now only supply very small quantities of arms and ammo and the largest thing they can supply is money. But even that is nothing more than a sticking plaster.

Stealthflanker wrote:That's actually terrifying tho. Why that Buk run loose ? Does it not operate in conjunction with higher echelon (e.g 9S18 radar).  Tho also make sense for Buk as the TELAR have NO IFF whatsoever even the latest Buk dont have them.  Why ? emmission security, can't risk the battery being exposed just because it tries to interrogate.

I don't think a lot of the Buk systems the Russians operate have had serious upgrades done to them. Probably basically operating with Soviet era capabilities. I doubt all of them were upgraded to the Buk M1-2 and M2 variants.

As for the problem of being unable to interrogate the target that could basically be solved by sending the information on friendly aircraft on a one way encrypted channel which the Buk trailer would passively read without doing any emissions of its own. This would then be overlaid on the radar data and help with target classification.

For what its worth. Why no picture of Austin in his bed with a thumbs up sign? Or no photo of him arriving home, I'm sure it is staked out with camera holding curious people?

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Lloyd Austin...dead? conspiracy?

According to an FSB agent, Russian intelligence has tracked up to 8 of Austin's trips from Poland to Ukraine since early 2023. “We knew Austin was in the Ukraine and discovered their meeting place.” Twenty cruise missiles, he said, destroyed buildings on the surface and collapsed a labyrinth of interconnected chambers underground. A battle damage assessment revealed that the impact destroyed structures and created craters, leaving only rubble. “Nothing on this earth will survive what we sent. Yes, he is dead. They must be dead," the FSB agent said, adding that the targets were Ukrainian army commanders and Austin was just a bonus.

The American side described this information as absolute nonsense, since, according to them, Minister Austin is in a hospital in the USA, where he was hospitalized for a urinary tract infection. Even before that, he allegedly underwent prostate surgery.

Without taking into account the claims of the Russian FSB about Austin's death, there are huge inconsistencies in the American claims and opinions, and suspicion is also raised by the stinginess of specific information, or perhaps a current photo from the hospital bed. For one thing, news of Austin's absence began to trickle out relatively late, with backdating and odd explanations such as that no one knew the US defense secretary was being treated for prostate cancer. From Telegram

I hope he is alive. That dude is so stupid. But like Obama he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room.
His early departure would be a loss for Russia.

Since there were and are no pictures of the A50, to the rescue of which (fire and smoke at the place), the IL-22 remains, which also came back again. Nevertheless, it should be warning enough and be learned from it.

lancelot wrote:
I don't think a lot of the Buk systems the Russians operate have had serious upgrades done to them. Probably basically operating with Soviet era capabilities. I doubt all of them were upgraded to the Buk M1-2 and M2 variants.

As for the problem of being unable to interrogate the target that could basically be solved by sending the information on friendly aircraft on a one way encrypted channel which the Buk trailer would passively read without doing any emissions of its own. This would then be overlaid on the radar data and help with target classification.

Well regardless on the upgrade on TELAR. Buk Battery should be operating together with an early warning/battle management radar. The job of IFF is delegated to 9S18 Radar. The Buk TELAR itself since its inception back in 70's already have a wireless datalink antenna which it can receive designation data. The feature is already there since the beginning.

If something went wrong then it's either incorrect designation data was provided or the Buk just run loose.


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And regarding the A-50.. well fighterbomber telgram channel finally being open that it's lost. Some other channel claimed it landed but nothing concrete. The final confirmation would probably discovery of aircraft parts beached somewhere along the coast of Crimea or elsewhere.

If it's really lost tho. it's kinda sign of serious incompetence, like how the hell people down there cant identify a lumbering A-50 which clearly have so much different signature than whatever Ukraine have. or did the VKS aerospace and air defense unit just dont talk to eachother, which itself is insanity of its own.

If fighterbomber confirmed it, it's gone.

TMA1 wrote:Do not trust it. Frankly if there was any natosphere involvement then missiles should hit at least two elint aircraft the west is flying bear the conflict zone. And no I do not mean a drone. I mean the top tier stuff. In fact it is time Russia poked NATO in both eyes.

Then let them do what they want. Tit for that on any horseshit they pulled.

Russian red lines have been crossed too many times already. The NATO knows Russia will not do anything no matter how many red lines are crossed.

If fighterbomber confirmed it, it's gone.

Fighterbomber exaggerated the scale of the damage from Ukraine's attack on the airfield near Rostov. They claimed that Ukraine shot down a Su-34 at the end of last year and so far no concrete evidence has been presented they even lied about a Russian pilot being killed in Voronezh, Fighterbomber confirmations prove nothing.

damn it, it seems my post failed to segway the thread back to the war at hand then talking about the 2 aircrafts the entire time.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Then you would have triggered the start of a war that would lead to nuclear war and you are more insane and deranged then any NATO person is.
Also, this is war any russian military assist is fair game and trying to say otherwise is pretty dam stupid.

Why not? The US bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. It would be fair game if Russia bombed the US embassy in Ukraine.

Why not? The US bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. It would be fair game if Russia bombed the US embassy. wrote:

Unlike the US, Russia does not have the balls to bomb the US embassy.

Did Russia really loose its A-50 AWACS aircraft? That would be horrible news. I think even worse than the loss of the Moskwa.
Yesterday I listened to Alexander Mercouris podcast. I did not pay too much attention when he talked about the claims that some Russian planes were shot down, because I did not know he was talking about high value targets, but afaik he doubts that the claims are true.

Arrow wrote:

Unlike the US, Russia does not have the balls to bomb the US embassy.

Maybe they have out of date maps like NATO had of Belgrade, showing the Kiev embassy to be a warehouse and the main TV site to be a military repeater.

Belisarius wrote:

If fighterbomber confirmed it, it's gone.

Fighterbomber exaggerated the scale of the damage from Ukraine's attack on the airfield near Rostov. They claimed that Ukraine shot down a Su-34 at the end of last year and so far no concrete evidence has been presented they even lied about a Russian pilot being killed in Voronezh, Fighterbomber confirmations prove nothing.

What is your source for these refutations?

As far as I know, not a single Fighterbomber claim has proven incorrect. Even more so, he and his sources have acknowledged every real (not dumb NATO claim) loss before Western satellite imagery confirmed it.

zorobabel wrote:

Belisarius wrote:

If fighterbomber confirmed it, it's gone.

Fighterbomber exaggerated the scale of the damage from Ukraine's attack on the airfield near Rostov. They claimed that Ukraine shot down a Su-34 at the end of last year and so far no concrete evidence has been presented they even lied about a Russian pilot being killed in Voronezh, Fighterbomber confirmations prove nothing.

What is your source for these refutations?

As far as I know, not a single Fighterbomber claim has proven incorrect. Even more so, he and his sources have acknowledged every real (not dumb NATO claim) loss before Western satellite imagery confirmed it.

Some schoolyard level "logic" there. Nobody has supplied any evidence but you are demanding that skeptics prove a negative.

It's all propaganda theater and the usual concern trolls are out polluting this thread.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

ArgentinaGuard wrote:

JohninMK wrote:I think that there is around another 200k in the UK.

EU hosts 4.27 million Ukrainian refugees - Eurostat.

The largest number of Ukrainians in:

Germany - 1,235,960 (28.9 per cent);
Poland - 955 110 (22.3 per cent)
Czech Republic - 369 330 (8.6 per cent).

In fact, this is only half the truth. Most Ukrainians have fled to Russia. And there are 5.3 million of them!

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Have you seen any Ukrainians in England?

The map is very misleading:


1) The number of them in Poland is very under-reported. They have been coming to Poland in more significant numbers since at least 2014.

2) There are more than a few of them in the U.K.

3) And what about the Netherlands?

There are 3.5 - 4.0 millions of foreigners living in Poland, 60-75% are Ukrainians.


https://www.gazetaprawna.pl/wiadomosci/kraj/artykuly/9307688,liczba-imigrantow-w-polsce-to-ok-35-4-mln-z-czego-60-75-proc-stano.html


Article is from late September of 2023.