And what is the accuracy of these things? How effective are they?
They have a relatively short range but are designed as depth charges for use against subs so the HE payload is already quite powerful compared to normal artillery rockets like Grad.
The modifications for land use likely involve the removal of a quite complicated pressure (depth) fuse with presumably an impact fuse which would allow more HE to be packed in there.
They are reasonably accurate... subs are not small targets, but you still have to get close to be effective. Also their range is generally less than 10km so there is less chance for it to deviate off path and miss by a wide margin.
For land use they are area weapons intended to be fired in a volley which means accuracy is a bad thing if all your rockets land in the same place then you are not using it efficiently.
RGB-60 carried a 25 kg explosives load originally, so if they even bother to add some more, it must be enough space to make it relevant.
A 203mm HE round carries less than 18kg of explosives, so we are talking about a firepower bigger that Pion delivers. Probably about double that ...
203mm shells are about 110kgs in total weight including fragments but they have thicker walls so the shell itself is heavier. It is probably more fair to compare with a Grad rocket which at 122mm calibre has a warhead that ranges in weight from about 18kgs to about 25kgs.
Of course the shorter range of these rockets will mean fairly close impact points and with HE fragmentation warheads there would be enough love in the air to make you want to bury your nose as deep as you can into the ground.
And they likely have enormous numbers of them which are just taking up space...
Russia has designed a few systems with rocket pods/racks although nothing has been put into production
It is really a field expedient thing... we have vehicles and we have rocket launchers and we have a lot of rockets... lets solve the last problem by adding the second to the first.
Then a company in Russia designed this Eskadron" 4x4 Russian Airborne Assault Buggy. Although apparently they weren't interested as it was a two seater only. But in the second picture you can see a Russian four seater has been designed so we might see a rocket pod version yet. There is apparently video footage of Eskadron online somewhere.
The advantage of that system is that those rocket "pods" are the new aircraft carried pod designs, so using them would allow changing rocket calibres like 57mm and 80mm and 122mm aviation rockets. The previously obsolete 57mm rockets have been improved and put back into production...
They have shit tons of BM-21 grad in reserve designed for mlrs actions with a good accuracy
They don't need those dumb mini mlrs that have no real impact on the fight.
These are different systems... with the Grad they would be gathered together for a fire mission with a dozen or more vehicles really hammering a target, whether it is an enemy position or a location where enemy troops or armour are forming up for an attack. These light vehicles are more like local infantry support where the force will move forward and any enemy position that opens fire will be hit with a couple of carefully placed rockets. It might even have versions with land mines that could be fired into the path of enemy armoured forces to restrict their movement... to stop them chasing you, or limit their ability to run away.
And don't forget S-8 have a decent variety of different rockets available. The 105mm rockets with 10km range provides decent range.
Not familiar with 105mm rocket calibres for Russia unless you mean RPG-29/RPG-27 rocket variants?
If they are aviation rockets then they would be 57mm (S-5) and 80mm (S-
and 122mm(S-13).
It seems that nobody shares your opinion, as improvised MLRS with use of S-5, S-8 or S-13 were in use in every single conflict in the last 60 years.
Good point, aircraft mounted rocket pods have been strapped to light motor vehicles for decades.
I understand that there is good news and Russia is very strengthened, but my specific question to the analysts: at what point could there be a general collapse of the Ukrainian front and a Russian advance taking advantage of the situation?
Don't want to sound like a cold hearted bastard because people are dying every day, but the longer this goes along the longer the Russians will separate from the west and the more territory they will likely end up liberating... which will be good for the people living in those areas to be honest.
It could be the victory of Donald Trump, which would give the ucros the death card by losing financing, but there could also be sabotage of the US elections as in 2020.
When Biden wins and all media ban any discussions of recounts then I suspect things might kick off... the democrats just don't know how to lose.
If there is any agreement made I really hope Russia doesn't accept anything less than, Donetsk, Kharkiv, Kherson, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Odessa, Sumy, chernihiv, Poltava, Dnipro, kirvohad. Anything less than that would have made the loss of Russian troops worthless.
Honestly I think a countrywide referendum that is open and free and fair with no moving people around the different areas to change results... it would have to be monitored and Russian troops should be able to handle that like they did in the Crimea... whether the west thinks that is democratic or not, they have no say in the matter and can't be trusted anyway so who cares what they think or say.
This is about the people who live in Ukraine... they got a say with voting in Zelensky and he betrayed them. Would be nice for them to have a leader that wont but their only option would be Putin... but who can convince them of that?
But Ukraine are never going to agree with the first lot of regions nevermind Kiev.
That is why it continues... eventually they will come to understand the situation. Russia is in no hurry because this has to be done right or it will repeat in 5 or 10 years time... and will be much worse.
However I feel any agreement done with zelensky/the west will only be abused and not followed through at least not long term and Russia will just have a headache further done the line, with nazis scumbags carrying out terror attacks
Guerilla forces that do damage do not get local support, which means they wont last. Russia dealt with Chechen nutters... with Ukrainians they claim themselves to not be Russian so dealing with them gives options.
they basically saying Putin has put the pressure on saying if no agreements before 22nd of May and Ukraine goes into an unrecognised regime mode there will be no agreements and the Russian offensive goes ahead. (Not my words theirs)
That might be true, but I can't see Putin being so obvious with the timing for any offensive... offensives work best when they are surprises...
Are you seriously so delusional to think that Biden wants to negotiate in Ukraine?
Biden wants this conflict to go forever because he thinks it is weakening Russia and of course when it ends there will be trials and I suspect lots of Ukrainians have some interesting information about some business deals the Biden family have in the Ukraine and various details about corruption too that creepy joe does not want airing in public.
So like OBL and Weinstein there are going to be lots of suspicious suicides in the coming year or so.
He is the only president who did not maintain a single foreign war, a fact. He is a guy who knows that the United States has an internal enemy that must be fought (the deep state, immigrants, globalists), not an external one beyond its rivalry with China.
Trump is weak, he is too easily manipulated... they just called him Putins puppet and he imposed more sanctions on Putin than any US president before him... despite claiming better relations as one thing he was going to work on with Russia... not to be their friends, but to further US interests... he really didn't end up doing either and ripped up all sorts of agreements in the belief he could renegotiate them and get better terms for the US. Instead the agreements died on the table.
Lithium is also promoted by Elon Munsk and China, I don't know what "eco" agenda you see there. These are expected technological changes, like when oil or electricity were discovered.
Which shows it is important. The Lithium in Ukraine is the only deposits the EU and west could claim and own directly... their companies could give Kiev peanuts and own it all... forever... or till they had extracted it all...
The international system does not benefit from guys like Trump and Putin, that is the reality.
You can't put Trump and Putin in the same sentence when talking about leadership... Trump is better than Hillary and better than Biden but that does not mean he is a good president. Just the best of the two you get to choose from.
Bandera AD strong!
More like Bandera ADD. Get them some ritalin.
Drones donated by whole nato I presume. BTW the other day Russian MoD reported like 330 UACVs were downed. I wonder how Russians can stop massive drone waves without spending expensive AAD missiles'.
Many of their missiles are not expensive... many are simple command guided like Pantsir and TOR and Kornet...
Of course they also have jammers and anti drone drones and also apparently laser systems to defeat drones.
Not to mention small arms and plenty of gun based AD systems.
I see a few $
Shame those drones are not carrying incendiary grenades...
Look at the lawfare waged against him.
It is a choice between human shit and elephant shit... neither appeals very much but you pick Human shit don't you... just based on the volume...
Trump is no prize but Biden has shown he wants war with Russia, while Trump might even work with Russia if he thinks the US will benefit from the cooperation.
Yes those are missile stages as Hole pointed out
Was it really necessary to repeat all those images?
I know Russia's ambassador would be kicked out, but honestly, what is the point of them? They are useless at this point.
When there is nothing to talk about why keep the Russian ambassador in Israel where he is at risk....
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A sixth group of troops called “North” has appeared as part of the Russian Armed Forces, operating in the Belgorod direction.
that aims itself at revealed batteries. Independently.
