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    Post  sepheronx Fri May 24, 2024 5:00 pm

    Oh shut it already. It's an early warning site and a building got hit with minimal damage.

    None of you even know how these compositions work.

    Russia lost a few s-400 systems? Oh no. Ukraine lost shit ton more that they don't produce. Russia produces s-400 in large quantities. Ukraine lost the best shit Europe and US has and their production rates are single digit.

    Russia will just continue to do what it needs. Maybe fix the holes and gaps in their defences with more shorads and better spaced out ad line.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri May 24, 2024 5:02 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Hole wrote:For months officials in Russia are stating over and over again that there will be no ceasefire and no freezing
    of the conflict.

    Yeah that goes without saying but we all know what the historical record has been with Russia being too eager to rush to all sorts of treaties and ceasefires and paper agreements.

    So this report touches a nerve even if it's highly likely to be BS.
    Yes, such as the "Minsk agreements" Russian special military operation in Ukraine #57 - Page 8 1f606

    Oh boy did Putin get fooled there.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri May 24, 2024 5:05 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:Yes, such as the "Minsk agreements"  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #57 - Page 8 1f606

    Oh boy did Putin get fooled there.

    He did get fooled, or so he claims, but the Minsk agreements did their job regardless. Basically gave Russia 8 years to prepare economically and militarily.

    If this war had started back in 2014 then the Ukrainian military would have been far more unprepared, but they and Western support would have mobilized regardless, while Russian military industries and especially the Russian economy were a lot less sturdy than today.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri May 24, 2024 5:06 pm

    zorobabel wrote:
    It's been fairly clear from day one that NATO wants to goad Russia into conducting a limited tactical nuclear strike on Ukraine. GAE / NATO would not respond with nukes but would seek to turn Russia into a pariah state,
    For them Russia is already a pariah state. Russia has been completely shut out from Western trade and institutions.

    If Russia conducted a tactical nuclear strike on Ukraine nothing in that department would really change.


    zorobabel wrote: As for a solution, it's fairly obvious the only way to bring it to an end would be to push Ukraine to the western shores of the Dnipro. Not sure anyone in the Russian state is committed to that, since it would require more than a million soldiers based on the current rate of progress.
    There is another option as well. Russia starts targeting strategic assets on Western territory.

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    Post  caveat emptor Fri May 24, 2024 5:09 pm

    It is clear that Belousov was brought to bring finances of Ru MOD in order.
    Also, all ongoing purges in the ministry's civilian and military ranks show that Shoigu left a lot of problems and considering how long he was in charge, there was no way he wasn't aware of situation and that it was of his own doing (unless he is a complete idiot and a tool).
    Obviously, considering his closeness with Putin, there was no way that he would suffer any repercussions for his (in)action as that would implicate that Putin is, at least, partially responsible.
    Still, any late action is better than inaction and pretending like everything is hunky dory, and it should be looked in that light.

    As for Yanukovich, apart for the fact that he was a legitimate president at the time of his removal and familiar face in the West, his value is very limited.
    He is completely inept and just another corrupt product of Ukrainian political scene. It is interesting to know that, according to reports,  he flew to Minsk with his own plane, probably, provided to him at the expense of Russian taxpayers. As such, he is a spent force, most importantly disliked in Donbas, as they have been fighting for 10 years now, due to his inaction (and some people in and around Kremlin). New people are needed to lead Ukraine if it survives this war. You can't teach old dog new tricks.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri May 24, 2024 5:10 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

    If the strike against the Armavir early warning system was an initiative of Zelensky, using only the Ukraine's own capabilities (although I don't understand with what) - then he has become a major liability and will have to be taken out before he provokes WW3.

    Yeah.. I could see that happen. I'm still believe there are still level headed man in NATO side that in position of decisionmaker.

    It's just such a massive escalation that it gives me pause prior to assigning blame. Also the damage doesn't look that consistent with some sort of ATACMS strike but I'm no expert

    But if it's a Ukrainian/Soviet weapons system, then which one? They've long run out of Tochkas and they wouldn't have the range anyway.
    Possibly some anti-radar missile such as the Kh-22P launched from their small pool of remaining working aircraft.
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    Post  flamming_python Fri May 24, 2024 5:13 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:It is clear that Belousov was brought to bring finances of Ru MOD in order.
    Also, all ongoing purges in the ministry's civilian and military ranks show that Shoigu left a lot of problems and considering how long he was in charge, there was no way he wasn't aware of situation and that it was of his own doing (unless he is a complete idiot and a tool).
    Obviously, considering his closeness with Putin, there was no way that he would suffer any repercussions for his (in)action as that would implicate that Putin is, at least, partially responsible.
    Still, any late action is better than inaction and pretending like everything is hunky dory, and it should be looked in that light.

    As for Yanukovich, apart for the fact that he was a legitimate president at the time of his removal and familiar face in the West, his value is very limited.
    He is completely inept and just another corrupt product of Ukrainian political scene. It is interesting to know that, according to reports,  he flew to Minsk with his own plane, probably, provided to him at the expense of Russian taxpayers. As such, he is a spent force, most importantly disliked in Donbas, as they have been fighting for 10 years now, due to his inaction (and some people in and around Kremlin). New people are needed to lead Ukraine if it survives this war. You can't teach old dog new tricks.

    I too don't get the inclusion of Yanukovich

    Last interview he did, which was some 5-6 years ago or more, he claimed that he was still the legitimate president of the Ukraine

    Well Russia recognized Poroshenko as the Ukrainian president, or at the very least treated him every bit as such - so that train has long left the station.
    And even if Zelensky is no longer the legitimate Ukrainian president, that doesn't mean that Yanukovich is suddenly again, out of all people

    So yeah, I'm also puzzled as to what he brings to the table here
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri May 24, 2024 5:18 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:
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    mnztr wrote:.....

    Semi confirmation on facebook.  Per Redsamurai84, who has posted decades worth of Soviet/Russian military parades, "the commander of the 20th Combined Arms Army, Major General Suhrab Akhmedov has been relieved of his command. He was repeatedly involved in failed offensive operations with unjustified losses near Vuhledar. According to military sources, he is also accused of lying to the command staff by misleading them about the real situation on the frontlines, which allowed him to enjoy his position until now."

    Called it way back when it was happening but everyone started screaming how I'm spreading ukr propaganda

    Just like when I called the fuckups during first weeks of war and got permabanned for a while

    You people need to learn to call bullshit on bullshit instead of coping  pwnd



    If I criticized you it was because it sounded like western propaganda. ....

    Wasn't replying to you directly but about info in your comment, you weren't saying nothing

    Folks who were fanboying and coping know who they are Cool


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    Post  kvs Fri May 24, 2024 5:18 pm

    I do not see why there is surprise and concern about the increased attacks on Russian territory. This was always going to be the case
    and it is guaranteed that Russian military planners were anticipating it. Through this whole war we have had an escalation from NATzO.
    Recall the initial claims about no heavy weapons support for Ukraine. The same is true for long range missiles. NATzO and its Kiev
    proxies are in a corner and are going to lash out. Russian losses are to be expected. The key detail that is missed in all the chicken
    little histrionic BS on social media is how useless the Ukr attacks into Russia are.

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    Post  famschopman Fri May 24, 2024 5:26 pm

    Removing the US GlobalHawk as its clearly supporting offensive actions, despite being in international waters, would be a great start. No human casualties, just material damage. But a good signal to **** off.

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    Post  sepheronx Fri May 24, 2024 5:31 pm

    famschopman wrote:Removing the US GlobalHawk as its clearly supporting offensive actions, despite being in international waters, would be a great start. No human casualties, just material damage. But a good signal to **** off.

    Or, active jamming it, like a constant barrage of jamming.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri May 24, 2024 5:32 pm

    famschopman wrote:Removing the US GlobalHawk as its clearly supporting offensive actions, despite being in international waters, would be a great start. No human casualties, just material damage. But a good signal to **** off.

    Russia doesn't even want to shoot down unmanned NATO drones over the Black Sea.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Fri May 24, 2024 5:32 pm

    So now they're sending staff officers to the frontline

    🇺🇦 In Ukraine, the number of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be reduced by 60%, the released personnel will be sent to combat units, the General Staff said

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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri May 24, 2024 5:32 pm

    Remind me to not read this site on Fridays

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    Post  higurashihougi Fri May 24, 2024 5:44 pm

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    Post  Arrow Fri May 24, 2024 5:54 pm

    He did get fooled, or so he claims, but the Minsk agreements did their job regardless. Basically gave Russia 8 years to prepare economically and militarily. wrote:

    After 8 years of Minsk, he again wanted to sign in Istanbul papers on the neutrality of Ukraine, which were worth nothing to the West, and also stated how beneficial it would be for Russia.

    "Vladimir Putin: the Istanbul agreements in 2022 suited both the Ukrainian and Russian sides."

    Of course, this would only postpone the war. Ukraine would be neutral only on paper signed by Putin.

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    Post  Firebird Fri May 24, 2024 6:00 pm

    To be taken seriously, Russia just needs to arm and assist the Houthis on GAYTO ships.
    Or any one of the ZILLIONS of enemies of the Davos gang. 780 foreign US bases around the World, vast numbers of which are hated.
    It's actually far easier to start a proxy war vs Uncle Satan of Washington DC than it is to start one vs Russia.
    But Russia is asleep at the wheel in terms of "the Great Game". It's military prowess is admirable. It's geopolitical action is moderate. And it's willpower to protect the FSU and nearby from American puppet coups is poor. Likewise, it's willpower to exact retribution on America and it's chuhuahuas is pisspoor.

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    Post  franco Fri May 24, 2024 6:05 pm

    Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (for the period from May 18 to 24, 2024)

    From May 18 to 24, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out 49 group strikes with precision weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles, as a result of which the enemy's military airfield infrastructure, missile storage sites, ammunition and fuel, workshops for the production of unmanned boats and unmanned aerial vehicles were hit. In addition, the points of temporary deployment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, foreign mercenaries and nationalist formations, as well as enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, were affected.

    During the week, units of the North group of forces, as a result of active actions, liberated the settlement of Staritsa in the Kharkiv region and continued to advance into the depth of the enemy's defense. They defeated the manpower and equipment of five AFU brigades and four defense brigades. 23 counterattacks of the AFU assault groups in the areas of the settlements of Glubokoe, Tikhoe, Liptsy and Volchansk in the Kharkiv region were reflected. Enemy losses during the week amounted to 1,840 soldiers, six tanks, eight armored combat vehicles, 40 vehicles, four MLRS Grad and Vampire combat vehicles, as well as 37 field artillery guns.

    Units of the Zapad group of forces occupied more advantageous positions, and also defeated formations of four mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, two brigades of the defense Forces and a brigade of the National Guard of Ukraine. Over the past period, 15 counterattacks of units of four brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the brigade of the National Guard of Ukraine have been reflected in the areas of the settlements of Grigorovka of the Donetsk People's Republic, Chervonaya Dibrova, Novovodyanoye and Stelmakhovka of the Luhansk People's Republic. The enemy's losses amounted to up to 2,040 military personnel, two tanks, 18 armored combat vehicles, 19 vehicles, two MLRS Grad combat vehicles, as well as 32 field artillery guns, including 14 of Western production.

    During the week, the units of the "Southern" group of troops actively liberated three settlements: Belogorovka, Kleshcheyevka and Andreevka of the Donetsk People's Republic, and continued to advance into the depth of the enemy's defense. They defeated the manpower and equipment of seven AFU brigades and four defense brigades. In a week, the enemy lost up to 3,285 military personnel, seven tanks, 13 armored combat vehicles, 46 vehicles, 32 field artillery guns, 27 of them Western-made. In addition, 10 AFU field ammunition depots were destroyed.

    The units of the Center group of forces improved the position along the front edge and defeated the formations of nine formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard of Ukraine. They repelled 41 counterattacks by assault groups of eight AFU brigades in the areas of the settlements of Shumy, Netailovo, Novokalinovo, Umanskoye, Ocheretino, Arkhangelskoye and Solovyovo of the Donetsk People's Republic. During the week, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost up to 2,770 servicemen, a tank, 26 vehicles, 35 field artillery guns and 20 armored combat vehicles, including: four Marder infantry fighting vehicles manufactured in Germany, as well as five Bradley infantry fighting vehicles and three MaxxPro armored personnel carriers manufactured in the USA.

    The units of the Vostok group of forces improved the tactical situation and defeated the manpower and equipment of the motorized infantry brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the defense brigade. They repelled nine counterattacks by assault groups of the mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the defense brigade, as well as the National Guard of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Vladimirovka, Staromayorskoye and Urozhodnoye of the Donetsk People's Republic. The enemy's losses amounted to 920 military personnel, 13 armored combat vehicles, 39 vehicles, as well as 18 field artillery guns, of which 10 were Western-made.

    The units of the Dnepr group of forces defeated the manpower and equipment of two brigades of marines, three brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, two formations of the air defense, as well as the brigades of the National Guard of Ukraine. The enemy lost up to 350 soldiers, three tanks, two armored combat vehicles, 35 vehicles, two Grad MLRS combat vehicles, as well as 24 field artillery guns, including seven M777 howitzers manufactured by the United States and a towed FH-70 howitzer manufactured by the United Kingdom.

    During the week, aviation and air defense equipment shot down two MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force, eight French-made SCALP-EG cruise missiles, 25 ATACMS and Tochka-U tactical missiles, 18 Hammer guided aerial bombs manufactured in France, 13 HARM anti-radar missiles manufactured in the USA, the Neptune anti-ship missile, 91 HIMARS, Vampire and Alder rockets, as well as 356 unmanned aerial vehicles.

    During the week, 67 Ukrainian servicemen surrendered on the line of contact.

    In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 603 aircraft, 274 helicopters, 24,590 unmanned aerial vehicles, 524 anti-aircraft missile systems, 16,149 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,311 multiple rocket launchers, 9,802 field artillery and mortars, as well as 21,966 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12514114@egNews

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    Post  franco Fri May 24, 2024 6:08 pm

    Russian MoD reports Ukrainian casualties for the week totaled 11,205 troops. Not bad...

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    Post  flamming_python Fri May 24, 2024 6:21 pm

    Firebird wrote:To be taken seriously, Russia just needs to arm and assist the Houthis on GAYTO ships.
    Or any one of the ZILLIONS of enemies of the Davos gang. 780 foreign US bases around the World, vast numbers of which are hated.
    It's actually far easier to start a proxy war vs Uncle Satan of Washington DC than it is to start one vs Russia.
    But Russia is asleep at the wheel in terms of "the Great Game". It's military prowess is admirable. It's geopolitical action is moderate. And it's willpower to protect the FSU and nearby from American puppet coups is poor. Likewise, it's willpower to exact retribution on America and it's chuhuahuas is pisspoor.

    Zillions such as who?

    They're mostly a bunch of posers. No-one is going to take on the US directly. Yes the Houthis are striking shipping but their war is against Israel, and their capabilities are limited even with that. Iran meanwhile wants to avoid a war. China wants to avoid a war. North Korea wants to avoid a war.
    And who can blame them?
    Russia has friends, and it will get help, but in a war against NATO it will be fighting with its own troops and just its own troops. It will be Russians fighting against the entire NATO alliance, sans Hungary and maybe a couple of other countries that will forgo NATO in that eventuality. With the saving grace being that we will just have to defeat their standing armies - I can't imagine the hedonistic, post-religion, post-gender, post-everything populations of Europe and North America will be ready to go to war and fight for the sake of moral outrage alone, nor even just have their societies economically mobilize for war.

    So I hope our leadership has made all the preparations necessary.

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    Post  billybatts91 Fri May 24, 2024 7:14 pm

    NATO's response to Putin's peace proposal...I hope Putin stops with thinking that this will end at the negotiating table...They want to defeat Russia, not gift them land...

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    Post  Isos Fri May 24, 2024 7:42 pm

    R-37M can easily be modified to have a second ejectable booster on the back to bring it to mach 6 for few seconds and let it then work normally that could increase the range by 10-20%.

    S-400 can be destroyed by monitoring its turning on-off moments with nato Elint stuff. A ballistic missile needs 2 or 3 minutes to hit, no time to detect and engage the enemy missile. Detection would happen when it's already high in the sky. And they don't seem to have brought in everything they had. Plenty of other areas to defend.
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    Post  calripson Fri May 24, 2024 8:01 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:Yes, such as the "Minsk agreements"  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #57 - Page 8 1f606

    Oh boy did Putin get fooled there.

    He did get fooled, or so he claims, but the Minsk agreements did their job regardless. Basically gave Russia 8 years to prepare economically and militarily.

    If this war had started back in 2014 then the Ukrainian military would have been far more unprepared, but they and Western support would have mobilized regardless, while Russian military industries and especially the Russian economy were a lot less sturdy than today.

    Russia could have divided Ukraine in 2014 with popular support in Eastern Ukraine and with a legitimate legal/moral case. It would have been a military cakewalk and would have saved thousands of Russian lives. This excuse that Russia wasn't ready in 2014 just speaks to the utter lack of strategic thought and frankly incompetence of the Russian government and intelligence agencies. The Orange Revolution was in 2004. Russia had 10 years to prepare for what anyone with a brain in their head could see coming.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri May 24, 2024 8:28 pm

    calripson wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:Yes, such as the "Minsk agreements"  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #57 - Page 8 1f606

    Oh boy did Putin get fooled there.

    He did get fooled, or so he claims, but the Minsk agreements did their job regardless. Basically gave Russia 8 years to prepare economically and militarily.

    If this war had started back in 2014 then the Ukrainian military would have been far more unprepared, but they and Western support would have mobilized regardless, while Russian military industries and especially the Russian economy were a lot less sturdy than today.

    Russia could have divided Ukraine in 2014 with popular support in Eastern Ukraine and with a legitimate legal/moral case. It would have been a military cakewalk and would have saved thousands of Russian lives. This excuse that Russia wasn't ready in 2014 just speaks to the utter lack of strategic thought and frankly incompetence of the Russian government and intelligence agencies. The Orange Revolution was in 2004. Russia had 10 years to prepare for what anyone with a brain in their head could see coming.

    Russia was also totally unprepared when the 2014 Maidan revolution happened. The West had its agents all over Ukraine while Russia had practically nothing. Whatever you might have think of Victoria Nuland and the State Department, they did their job well.

    The one thing Russia did right was to grab Crimea. That's it.

    One would think that Russia would have had even some influence in Ukraine if you think that:
    - Russia and Ukraine are basically the same people (same ethnic origin, same language, same religion)
    - Russia and Ukraine share a common history for more than 300 years.
    - Russia had been directly subsidizing Ukrainian economy with hundreds of billions of dollars since 1991.

    But when the big test came in 2014 it was proved that Russia had nothing to counter the West in Ukraine. Nothing.

    What the hell had Russia been doing in Ukraine since 1991 while the Western NGO's poisoned the Ukrainian youth against Russia? Did Russia do anything (but keep pouring free money to corrupt idiots like Yanukovich)?

    Where was Russia's intelligence all these years? Did they have any presence in Ukraine?

    The only place where Russia managed to have foothold was the most pro-Russian part of Ukraine which is Donbass. But even there, when the Donbass army had the golden opportunity to defeat Ukraine, Putin stopped them after Merkel fooled him to sign those Minsk documents. Kharkov and probably Odessa could have been gained in 2014 had Putin backed Donbass army instead of signing that worthless piece of paper.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Fri May 24, 2024 8:34 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    It's just such a massive escalation that it gives me pause prior to assigning blame. Also the damage doesn't look that consistent with some sort of ATACMS strike but I'm no expert

    But if it's a Ukrainian/Soviet weapons system, then which one? They've long run out of Tochkas and they wouldn't have the range anyway.
    Possibly some anti-radar missile such as the Kh-22P launched from their small pool of remaining working aircraft.

    Or usual "Mathias Rust" Cessna drone. Which slipped past Black Sea and then Armavir. That's the only platform with range and covert enough i think.

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