Russian special military operation in Ukraine #57

Russia wants an end now , based on present frontlines .

Why do you think that?

Is it because Reuters say Putin wants a ceasefire?

Putin has already said that long range weapons from the west to Kiev require a buffer zone to keep such weapons out of range of Russian territory...

Remember that map showing the current front line and a band of territory of 300km reaching towards Russia.... the lines have likely moved west a little but you need to reflect those 300km range boundaries to the west rather than to the east and that will indicate the minimum neutral zone Russia will require before even considering any peace talks.

Of course as Russian forces move forward and remove Orcs from these places they might decide to have a referendum and join the Russian Federation too, which means the border shifts and the projected 300km shifts too.

Once it reaches into HATO territory that will be fine because any Kiev launch of weapons from HATO territory becomes an act of war against the Russian Federation and Russia can strike back as they please.

The Orcs do not want the war to end , an end of war means an end to them . And the MIC , they don't t want the war to end , an end to war means an end to their profits . So unless the MIC , see an end to their profits , and the Orcs see an end to their miserable lives , there won't be an end to war . So when will the war end ?

To clarify the orcs on the ground likely want it to end now, while the orcs in power want it to end on their terms... and that is never going to happen so they will prefer a forever war.

The war ends when the guys fighting it realise their leadership actually means what it says and they are going to die to the last man trying to achieve goals they couldn't achieve 3 years ago and are in an even worse position to deliver now.

Another year with more money and more weapons is not going to help and there are only so many men in poor countries around  the world willing to die for Kiev... and as they get killed the appetite for that money will dry up... money you never get because you are going to die is not worth anything.

They can't train you to deal with glide bombs and artillery and drones...

‘Not sufficient’: Ukrainian soldiers detail how US-supplied tank is faring in war

They laughed at Russian cage armour and called them cope cages, but they are not copying them properly... the slats on the Russian cages are stronger and mounted further away from the base armour. The cope cages the Orcs are putting on their Abrams tanks are not strong enough nor are they fitted far enough away from the base armour to be effective against rockets and missiles and drones.

Besides it is not exactly certain that Article 5 can be invoked and justified if it is NATO that intervenes directly. NATO troops deployed in Ukrying would be a great gift to Putin, it almost seems that he is waiting for this eventuality since day 1.

I agree.... official HATO boots on the ground and also seizing and redistribution of Russian Assets is another trap that Putin will love to exploit... how can the west be so obviously stupid... perhaps someone who admires Putin is whispering in their ears to get the to be so stupid and easy to counter.

Is the Western MIC making that much profit I wonder?

I would say yes and no... their costs will of course have gone up but not as much as they are passing on to the people they are making the weapons and ammo for.

Mothballing old production and producing shells isn't exactly milking the cow as far as they're concerned.

The Arms companies making ammo have likely had very few orders over the last few decades largely because of enormous stores of cold war era gear filling storage facilities across eastern europe and eastern european producers able to make more of that ammo type at a fraction of the price a US company could make it.

Once all the weapons and guns and ammo in Warsaw pact calibres are taken out of storage and sent to the Ukraine they will be replacing it all with new production western ammo, which is going to be very very very expensive. These countries didn't really donate... they kept at tab and expect things they gave to be replaced on a one for one basis... it is a bit like handing in .22lr rimfire ammunition and expecting to be credited the same as for 308 centre fire ammo...

Even if this war stops now the US MIC and western MIC will be pumping out ammo and arms to replace empty stores for the next decade or two... and over time the prices are not going to go down.

Productivity hasnt' exactly gone up that significantly, most stocks have not seen exponential growth since 2022.

Part of the reason they are not massively ramping up production is shortages of explosive components, including cotton and other materials.

It is a bit like Russian aircraft production is being restricted by lack of new engines, but also developing Russian and non western sources of other equipment and material and systems.

Correct me if I'm wrong but all I see is a slow demilitarization of NATO with some prospects of modernization in the long run, if ever.

Increases in spending on defence will lead to increases in production capacity, but of course nothing like what they need because eventually the conflict will end and once it is over western agitators will struggle to find reasons to keep Russia and China as the worlds boogey man... and of course quality of life is going to deteriorate in the west and if things keep growing in Russia then more and more western companies are going to want a piece of the action... so western sanctions are going to get harder and harder to justify.

Not to mention spending on ammo and weapons at a time when the economy is suffering and energy is expensive... and of course a few issues with infrastructure falling apart...

The US doesn't want this parasitic war to drag on as they have much more pressing issues such as Taiwan, while the war of attrition suits the Russian Federation's economy and modernization prospects, even though at 6-8% of GDP in military expenditures and at least 30K casualties per year, it better end by the next two years.

I would say once the US realises it is doing rather more damage to its EU allies and is actually improving Russias economy then they will want a way out... but until the realise it is not hurting Russia they will continue as long as they think it is still hurting Russia.

Or else there is still nukes... Let's see what happens in November 2024.

Trump is better than Biden... if Trump was in charge this conflict would not have happened because Trump is not making a lot of money out of Ukraine like the Biden family clearly are, but Trump is flaky.... perhaps the best chance will be a repeat of last election where Biden cheats and half of Americans voting for Trump don't take it lying down this time and things kick off...

How about civil war in the US over this civil war in Europe.... a nice symmetry... but no something  Russia would actually fund because unlike the US they are not evil.

Deploy it in Ukraine where Ukrainian troops are poorly trained and badly led, logistics are always under attack, the best you can hope for is an occassional sortie by a drone or F-16 or some frankenstein feighter cobbled together from various airframes of cold war era Warsaw Pact fighters its a sitting duck.

To be fair the units using Abrams tanks in the Ukraine are not conscript idiots with a weeks training.

No tank would do well in such a situation... which is why I find it funny to hear westerners mock the use of T-72s and T-62s in this conflict... with armour upgrades and optics upgrades there is not a lot of difference between an Abrams or a Leopard II... apart from the fact that those western tanks have tracks designed for parades that don't work well in deep mud or ice or deep snow, and the western tanks are 70+ tons and 10-15 million dollars each.   T-62 and T-72 tanks are almost half that weight and 1/10th the cost and have the right tracks and good add on armour that seems to be effective most of the time.

it can be argued that the Abrams are being deployed precisely according to plan.

All the new next gen armour programmes have stalled or failed... ruin the Abrams and you need a new HATO MBT programme that will waste trillions and end up with four or even five slightly different and not compatible vehicles.

I don't know if they believe it but they certainly do say it. You know the type - 'OSINT'-bros who make pretensions of 'loss tracking' and repeating to themselves that Russian equipment losses are unsustainable and cannot be made good.

Apart from a terrible loss of soldiers, Russia is doing rather well from this conflict... the leeches are dropping away voluntarily and the colonial west is cutting its noose around Russian necks... if they were smart people they could have agreed with Minsk and kept everything except the Crimea... all they had to do was drop the laws banning Russian language and culture and there would be no problems...

Fortunately they are morons.

“Countries with small territory and dense populations”

The really funny thing about the English language is that there are two meanings to a dense population.

Dense in the sense that there are a lot of people all living close together, but also dense as in stupid... the population is stupid and not thinking for themselves about what their leaders are doing and the consequences it will have for every one of them.

Does he realize the west is out to destroy Russia? Literally.

They have been trying and failing for hundreds of years.

This current attempt has made Russia stronger and more independent than it has been for a very long time, not to mention it has gained more territory in the last decade than it did during the Cold war...

sepheronx wrote:Would be bad idea to leave Odessa to the West.

It would be idiotic idea

Might as well give Crimea back if they don't plan on taking Odessa

War is on now, no backsies

Arrow wrote:
There is almost no progress on the front. Chasiv Yar fighting is still ongoing and may continue for many more months. In the Kharkov region, the offensive is moving very slowly. Currently, the front is static everywhere. Sometimes the Russians will capture a village.

Literally cribbing from the losers of WW2.
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