Russian special military operation in Ukraine #57

You have to laugh as much of the Western gear in Ukraine was optimised for desert conditions.

AFU are having problems with NATO-supplied armoured vehicles because of the heat, Andrey Marochko said.

The air filters of the engines are clogged due to the high dust content in the air.

The military expert noted that the situation is aggravated by the fact that the Ukrainian army does virtually no maintenance and lacks qualified specialists.

Other news by this hour:

The advance of the Russian Armed Forces in the north of Kharkov region has slowed down after the AFU reserves were pulled up, Ganchev said. He noted that Russian soldiers had dug in in the Kharkov region, taking up favourable positions and preventing the AFU from launching a counterattack.

http://t.me/ukraine_watch

Last night Russian troops attacked the vehicle fleet of the National Guard of Ukraine in Dnepropetrovsk, Lebedev, coordinator of the Nikolaev underground movement, told RIA Novosti, citing local residents. According to them, after arrival a large column of smoke was visible. Lebedev added that several blocks were cordoned off by SBU officers and military personnel.

- FRWL reports

Arkanghelsk wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Britain doesn't have the capability, doesn't matter how loudly their political class barks

ATACMS, HIMARS - these are all American capabilities, sometimes co-ordinated with French or British specialists with their own missiles. Don't know who pilots the drones. Targeting, satellite data and so on are all American assets too. But it makes sense to consider it a collective of NATO here rather than pick out a country individually.

Ukrainians have the role of loading rockets into the tubes in the best case.

That still leaves the major question

Who will receive the main response?

You have to pick one of them - so who? And do you do it openly ? Or do you enable a sort of covert attack that makes it undeniable who it was, but without a trace a la nord stream 2

We have to use imagination ! For example : ( 1 ) Airfield in Poland ? Poland screams blue murder and calls NATO ! Uncle Sam to rescue little brother . ( 2 ) Munition factory in Germany ? The same . ( 3 ) UK early warning Radar ? The same . ( 4 ) American statue of liberty ? Nobody there to rescue ! They hit big uncle Sam ! Of course fired from the LDPR liberation front government .

Seems FORTE12 disabled its transponder or Russia decided to do something about it

The global hawk over the Black Sea has disappeared from flight radar

I find it funny that the Doomers in the chat are whining again about NATO provocations and wanting Putin to shoot missiles at NATO vassals in response when the outcome would likely lead to a general mobilization of the Russian population and an immediate transition to a wartime economy, basically throwing all the work Russia's government did over the last 2+ years into the trash.

The same doomers who said Putin should've intervened in 2014 when Russia was way more dependent on the EU/US and the 13000 sanctions would've absolutely devastated the Russian economy, ironically leading people (like flamming and ark) to march on the streets demanding Putin's resignation and replacement with someone "more competent"... like Navalny, lol.

meaning further expansion into 404. Such is life...

All the way to the Polish and Romanian borders, baby. 

As a consequence: 5 military personnel were killed almost immediately

This means in reality some 20 - 25 were killed.

does virtually no maintenance and lacks qualified specialists.

And who is to blame for that? NATO.

after the AFU reserves were pulled up

Which was the aim of the whole operation.
Now it´s meat grinder time.

Time for a laugh. Looks a bit South Parkish

Arkanghelsk wrote:Seems FORTE12 disabled its transponder or Russia decided to do something about it

The global hawk over the Black Sea has disappeared from flight radar

We may never know. If it was Russia then those who need to know do and will react accordingly.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:The West: Our weapons will be used to hit Russian territory.
Russia: We may consider retaliation in case Western weapons are used against our territory.

The Russians won't do shit and they know it, this is all just blowing hot air, they are at war.

Ukraine has every right to hit them with weapons during wartime, regardless of who they got it from.

btw Russia has bombed Ukraine with Iranian made drones, shells etc.

So by this logic Russia is breaking its own rule as its using foreign provided weapons to strike within Ukraine, not Ukie forces on Russian soil..

This hot shit garbage of logic makes me laugh

If the roles were reversed the West would never allow this to happen.

Firebird wrote:The problem is, the Americunts and the Eurofags aren't scared of Russia.

And this is because of Putin's non-retaliation and appeasement policy ever since he came to power in Russia.

It was Putin who offered Russian railways for the use of NATO weapons supplies to Afghanistan free of charge. NATO paid back to Russia with unlimited heroin supply from Afghanistan to Russia.

Putin is an anglophile and germanophile. He would love nothing more than to be accepted by them. To have Russia included among the West. To have him invited to Western parties and meetings.

Remember those idiotic talks "from Lisbon to Vladivostok" about ten years ago?

How much has this appeasement policy cost Russia?

Now Putin's dreams have been shattered. He will never again stand aside Western leaders, talk to them and trade with them. The West wants to kill him.

The West knows Putin. Forget about the demonization of him in the Western media. This is just a show for the public. The West knows that Putin is an empty suit. This is why they are doing what they are doing. If they actually were scared of Putin they would have backed off already. But they know their history. They see that Putin never retaliates. Never.

Broski wrote:I find it funny that the Doomers in the chat are whining again about NATO provocations and wanting Putin to shoot missiles at NATO vassals in response when the outcome would likely lead to a general mobilization of the Russian population and an immediate transition to a wartime economy, basically throwing all the work Russia's government did over the last 2+ years into the trash.

The same doomers who said Putin should've intervened in 2014 when Russia was way more dependent on the EU/US and the 13000 sanctions would've absolutely devastated the Russian economy, ironically leading people (like flamming and ark) to march on the streets demanding Putin's resignation and replacement with someone "more competent"... like Navalny, lol.

You need to listen to the entire Russian leadership and what they are saying right now

Everyone is saying the same thing

SPIEF and BRICS are secondary to the survival of the state

Arkanghelsk wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Britain doesn't have the capability, doesn't matter how loudly their political class barks

ATACMS, HIMARS - these are all American capabilities, sometimes co-ordinated with French or British specialists with their own missiles. Don't know who pilots the drones. Targeting, satellite data and so on are all American assets too. But it makes sense to consider it a collective of NATO here rather than pick out a country individually.

Ukrainians have the role of loading rockets into the tubes in the best case.

That still leaves the major question

Who will receive the main response?

You have to pick one of them - so who? And do you do it openly ? Or do you enable a sort of covert attack that makes it undeniable who it was, but without a trace a la nord stream 2

I've made my opinion known already. Adopt some sort of flimsy deniability like NATO has with its "Ukrainians have a right to strike back!" and then hit NATO territory directly. Czech Republic or Poland or Romania ABM or air defense facilities with US personnel will do. Say it was done by the Palestinian Liberation Front.

flamming_python wrote:
I've made my opinion known already. Adopt some sort of flimsy deniability like NATO has with its "Ukrainians have a right to strike back!" and then hit NATO territory directly. Czech Republic or Poland or Romania ABM or air defense facilities with US personnel will do. Say it was done by the Palestinian Liberation Front.

I can’t believe this is about to happen

Everyone from Lavrov to Ryabkov , Putin, is saying the same thing - I think they’ve made up their mind

I have the same feeling as 24/02/2022

But this is going to be worse , just my gut feeling

Broski wrote:I find it funny that the Doomers in the chat are whining again about NATO provocations and wanting Putin to shoot missiles at NATO vassals in response when the outcome would likely lead to a general mobilization of the Russian population and an immediate transition to a wartime economy, basically throwing all the work Russia's government did over the last 2+ years into the trash.

The same doomers who said Putin should've intervened in 2014 when Russia was way more dependent on the EU/US and the 13000 sanctions would've absolutely devastated the Russian economy, ironically leading people (like flamming and ark) to march on the streets demanding Putin's resignation and replacement with someone "more competent"... like Navalny, lol.

All that work that Russia's government did over the last 2+ years will go into the trash anyway if NATO missiles start impacting Russian cities, factories, etc..

And even Russia's military-industrial production advantage can be cut-down if it starts to come under attack, while NATO's military industries remain safe and sound and are able to ramp up however slowly - unmolested

Understand this - if it's possible to get NATO to back down and cease further escalations, by downing some Global Hawk in the Black Sea or whatever; then I'm all for it.
However everything I've seen is this whole war only tends towards further escalation and precisely because of what seems to be the US obsession with trying to one-up their opponent and gain a psychological advantage via this crazy gun cowboy act of a madman that will stop at nothing, so everyone else better back down. That's how they scoped out Iran's limits and are now pressing all their buttons.

One of the common denominators here is that Russia has never been ready to do anything but react, and most often not even in parity terms. And we're at the point now that further escalation will indeed bring us to general mobilization and a wartime economy. So it's time to stop it, and using a new strategy. I have faith that cool heads will ultimately prevail but it may be necessary to take things to the brink as otherwise the US will just carry on their act and be able to present it as a working strategy.

1 An-124 pulled out of storage; IMO, more may follow :
https://defence-blog.com/russia-returns-aircraft-from-boneyard-for-war-in-ukraine/

3 remaining An-22s to be retired in 2024: https://tass.com/defense/1797853

Escalation:
https://www.ng.ru/cis/2024-06-04/1_9022_ukraine.html?print=Y
https://topcor.ru/48155-u-moskvy-gotov-otvet-ssha-za-razreshenie-vashingtona-kievu-bit-vglub-rf.html

Crimean Bridge robust defenses:
https://ru.krymr.com/a/su57-krym-most-be12-mig-zashita/32977164.html

Looks difficult to bypass easily.

Of course the West is obsessed with world domination . The ghosts of Vietnam were exorcised by the relative victories in the ME . Or the murder of millions at an affordable price of a few thousand dead GI and a trillion Dollars of tax payer money for the MIC . So now the West is flying on a magic carpet of last victories into a dreamland of world domination , defeating Russia and China ! It is not their fault . But Russia allowing red lines to be crossed , in effect did not give them a slap to wake them from their slumber . This one was Russia's fault .

Did say two years ago that NATO was not a real unitary entity , but more of a paper idea , written in ink . Like a loose collection of billiard balls on the snooker table , ready to fly apart from a well aimed shot ! Warned that if an early shot was not delivered , then this collection will start to coalesce into a real body . I am sorry to say that in the absence of a response by Russia , that now NATO has become a unitary body . More than half a dozen NATO nations allowing use of their supplier weapons to be used against Russia , on Russian soil .

What one man knows or predicts , society may come to know later . Now we are at the point of nuclear war . All because not sufficient reaction and deterrence was shown to stop the escalation . Still not too late . Whenever you catch the Fish , it is fresh ! But make sure it is the biggest Fish .

We're not at the point of nuclear war yet and no NATO is not a united entity

Arkhangelsk is just dooming here, I suspect the Russian leadership is still deliberating and will continue to, until the next escalation.

Tsavo Lion wrote:Crimean Bridge robust defenses:
https://ru.krymr.com/a/su57-krym-most-be12-mig-zashita/32977164.html

Pfftt..  5th columnist sh_t.  The article cites "experts" that call the Su-57 a "poor mans stealth fighter" or that the Ukrops will destroy the Crimea bridge after its air defenses are taken out...  Negative sentiments throughout the "article", and tellingly it ends with some nonsense blurb that could have been written by the US State Dept or UK Foreign Office regarding the "illegal" seizure of Crimea...

I wonder if the domain is controlled by Ukrops or their sympathisers? Either way, fck 'em and fck their propaganda. Ukrotrashfilth will be ripped out by the roots and burned without trace.  No respite until final victory, the Kiev regime and its minions will DIE.

Slight correction if I may...

GarryB wrote:Unlike the west who, when attacked by a group of loonies on 11/9 from Saudi Arabia and Jordan... for a plot hatched and organised in Germany...  invaded Afghanistan and then Iraq ... only to eventually track down the guy they wanted... in Pakistan...  then they turned their guns on Libya and Syria...  

It would be almost funny if it wasn't so goddamned pathetic.

lyle6 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
So anyway, what was your army doing last century?

Ruthlessly crushing muslim seperatists. Successfully I must add.

I strongly disagree with this, because past governments of the PH have done nothing but appease the Muslims. The Philippines is by law a secular country, but as a result of Muslim appeasement, Muslims in the country have been given special privileges, even the largest Muslim terrorist group in the country (MILF) was given authority to rule over a new autonomous "Muslim" region with expanded powers and an even bigger territory! So I don't see how the Philippine Army is crushing Muslims.

Unfortunately, the country doesn't have a guiding ideology like Hindutva in India or Zionism in Israel that can be used to galvanize the population to support powerful measures to properly dispose of the rats. IDF actions in Gaza is so far the most inspiring method that needs to be emulated asap.

Big_Gazza wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:Crimean Bridge robust defenses:
https://ru.krymr.com/a/su57-krym-most-be12-mig-zashita/32977164.html

Pfftt..  5th columnist sh_t.  The article cites "experts" that call the Su-57 a "poor mans stealth fighter" or that the Ukrops will destroy the Crimea bridge after its air defenses are taken out...

many others on both sides said that it's not worth taking out, as most military supplies go overland via the new railroad along the Azov Sea coast. But I like that they use their old An-26s as MPA, & those can be converted to gunships, if need be.
Cruise speed: 440 km/h (270 mph, 240 kn)
Range: 2,500 km (1,600 mi, 1,300 nmi) with maximum fuel
Range with max payload: 1,100 km (680 mi)
Service ceiling: 7,500 m (24,600 ft)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-26#Specifications

And even Russia's military-industrial production advantage can be cut-down if it starts to come under attack, while NATO's military industries remain safe and sound and are able to ramp up however slowly - unmolested wrote:

NATO does not have the option of attacking Russia at such great strategic depth. Unless they use Tomahowk or sooner JASSM. The question is whether they will integrate them with the old F 16.

Big_Gazza wrote:
It would be almost funny if it wasn't so goddamned pathetic.

Well, it is not pathetic.
It is some sort of plan, we might only guess.
Gen. Wesley Clark said that years ago, there was some sort of unreal plan to attack half of the middle east.
Including countries that nobody even considered at the moment, like Syria and Libya.
After so many years, and keeping in mind what has happened in Jurope, I strongly stand for an opinion that it was already a plan to invade the EU with asymmetric warfare.
And clean hands.
Causing a migration crisis required opening transport corridors, and inflicting turmoils.
Both have been established.
It is an asymmetric economic war with Europe, carried by the US, with a clear goal to pauperize it.