Russian special military operation in Ukraine #57

PapaDragon wrote:
I could also post entire folder of fillet mignon KLA pics but Garry would have a cow over NSFW and I don't want to get another vacation

Impressive shotdown but a day late and a dollar short. NATO airpower still had their way the whole time. You merely imposed costs, you didn't stop shit.

PapaDragon wrote:
So anyway, what was your army doing last century?

Ruthlessly crushing muslim seperatists. Successfully I must add.

They need to cut the cage into two parts with a small gap in between. One half is attached to the turret while the bottom one is welded to the hull. This way the turret can still traverse like normal.

The West: Our weapons will be used to hit Russian territory.
Russia: We may consider retaliation in case Western weapons are used against our territory.

Frogs have been wiped out of Africa, the last asset they really have making economic leverage.
By Russkie.

Lets be honest... the Putin didn't do that... I was Russia doing the right thing and the French and Europeans just being themselves that led to the rejection of white colonial rule in Africa. It was French behaviour that has led to their current situation.

There is no such thing as free speech , full stop . Only in the West , they are more subtle and PR friendly ways to suppress dissenting voices .

The real irony is that the west vocally defends the rights to free speech and then actions against Assange and Snowden and in this case Ritter show they are just full of shit... you will find the same when you look at democracy and freedom too... they have plenty of political prisoners around the world and have overthrown more legitimate governments than communism has.

Put the 23mm and 30mm versions on ships.

The 30mm gatlings on ships are already suitable for the role, especially the ones that are not the lightweight versions for patrol boats that don't have water cooling systems for the barrels.

The West: Our weapons will be used to hit Russian territory.
Russia: We may consider retaliation in case Western weapons are used against our territory.

Notice the difference though... for about 3 months you were hearing about the Kiev offensive... when they started talking about it it was a spring offensive but eventually became a summer offensive and it failed like a dog. Now think back to when Russia announced its offensive. What do you mean they didn't?

Could it possibly be that announcing your intentions to the enemy is not a great way to fight a war?

Russia is going to wait for Kiev to do something stupid and it is going to respond in a way that seriously damages Kiev and improves Russias position in this conflict.

You know... the way an adult would.

Unlike the west who, when attacked by a group of loonies on 11/9 from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan... invaded Iraq and then Afghanistan... only to eventually track down the guy they wanted... in Pakistan.

Being an adult and being a punching bag are two different things.

Thank you that you have shared with us your waste and first-hand experience of how to command an antiaircraft battery.
Next time when we will have doubts about what is inside the black hole, we will all know who has the expertise in everything other than wiping his nose.

Karl Haushofer wrote:The West: Our weapons will be used to hit Russian territory.
Russia: We may consider retaliation in case Western weapons are used against our territory.

The Russians won't do shit and they know it, this is all just blowing hot air, they are at war.

Ukraine has every right to hit them with weapons during wartime, regardless of who they got it from.

btw Russia has bombed Ukraine with Iranian made drones, shells etc.

So by this logic Russia is breaking its own rule as its using foreign provided weapons to strike within Ukraine, not Ukie forces on Russian soil..

This hot shit garbage of logic makes me laugh

Isos wrote:
Better would have been to just accelerate and leave the position. Impact would have done no damage.

Then you'll become one to whine about how useless Pantsir is. It just ran away. HIMARS is hitting everything. Useless Russian AD.

Fix your damm mind, you want AD to shoot down something (and risking getting hit) or keep running?

When there is genocide of an ethnic group , in this case the Russian speaking population and the stated aim of mass deportations by the coup Orcs . Then the state looses legitimate control of that territory and outside humanitarian intervention becomes legitimate and necessary . The Russians never armed the Russian speaking regions for a  legitimate attack on the  Nazi backer states of Europe , particularly England . Yet the Anglos and co , armed the Nazis to not only attack the Russian speaking population but now Russia itself . Without value judgement , there can be no judgement . Some don't deserve territorial integrity , Anglo- Zionists included . Death to all the Nazis and European " closet , " Nazi backers !

T-47 wrote:
Then you'll become one to whine about how useless Pantsir is. It just ran away. HIMARS is hitting everything. Useless Russian AD.
Fix your damm mind, you want AD to shoot down something (and risking getting hit) or keep running?

He wants to show us why the Frogs have earned their reputation.
How sad.
A nation that used to be the most furious in history ...
Only fought the wrong enemies ...

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:The West: Our weapons will be used to hit Russian territory.
Russia: We may consider retaliation in case Western weapons are used against our territory.

The Russians won't do shit and they know it, this is all just blowing hot air, they are at war.

Ukraine has every right to hit them with weapons during wartime, regardless of who they got it from.

btw Russia has bombed Ukraine with Iranian made drones, shells etc.

So by this logic Russia is breaking its own rule as its using foreign provided weapons to strike within Ukraine, not Ukie forces on Russian soil..

This hot shit garbage of logic makes me laugh

It's NATO hitting Russia on NATO orders

And no, nothing like this ever happened during the Cold War

Only a matter of time until they succeed in one of their attacks

How?
In detail?
How much they will "succed"?

flamming_python wrote:It's NATO hitting Russia on NATO orders

And no, nothing like this ever happened during the Cold War

Only a matter of time until they succeed in one of their attacks

ALAMO wrote:How?
In detail?
How much they will "succed"?

By about this much



Of course the new buffer zone regions will want to join the Russian Federation too, meaning further expansion into 404. Such is life...

Arkanghelsk wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

It's NATO hitting Russia on NATO orders

And no, nothing like this ever happened during the Cold War

Only a matter of time until they succeed in one of their attacks

At first I disagreed with you, now I see that indeed

It seems NATO is preparing a first strike on Russia

Seems they creep to remove radars, S400 batteries and other equipment that could prevent their first strike

It seems a response is needed

But how will it come? Do you match NATO and start crippling their early warning system ? Or do you hit them even harder ?

You need to remove their eyes and ears.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

It's NATO hitting Russia on NATO orders

And no, nothing like this ever happened during the Cold War

Only a matter of time until they succeed in one of their attacks

At first I disagreed with you, now I see that indeed

It seems NATO is preparing a first strike on Russia

Seems they creep to remove radars, S400 batteries and other equipment that could prevent their first strike

It seems a response is needed

But how will it come? Do you match NATO and start crippling their early warning system ? Or do you hit them even harder ?

Well the Russian hunter-killer satellites are already in orbit trailing the American satellites. At least that's what we've heard.

Maybe their early warning constellation, maybe their spy satellites. Don't know.

But NATO so far is not backing down.
The problem is not them trying to hit Russian whatever formations on the border with the Ukraine and what damage that does, or even the Ukrainian drone attack on the Voronezh EW radar which we would be wise to assume was co-ordinated with NATO too - but the implications of not responding to that and what it could lead to further, post the next NATO champagne party in Brussels where they all persuade themselves that Russia is scared of them and can be pushed into a corner.

I'm hoping the Russian satellite hunters sober up some minds but I'm not optimistic. It's more a message than a response. Now we will seemingly have to wait until the next escalation to give one, while a more proactive approach on Russia's part to give the West a good scare seems to be an idea that doesn't enter anyone's mind at all.

Britain doesn't have the capability, doesn't matter how loudly their political class barks

ATACMS, HIMARS - these are all American capabilities, sometimes co-ordinated with French or British specialists with their own missiles. Don't know who pilots the drones. Targeting, satellite data and so on are all American assets too. But it makes sense to consider it a collective of NATO here rather than pick out a country individually.

Ukrainians have the role of loading rockets into the tubes in the best case.