Russian special military operation in Ukraine #57

Did they say when they will donate this crap?

Because it takes time to train pilots to use the planes and equipment onboard.

My bet there is a underlying nite saying "by 2028"

Surely by "donating" these Swedish scum have now become a party to the war.
Before they all claimed it was "selling".

Additionally, Azov etc are terrorists, so Sweden is now officially a terrorist sponsor.

Will Russia EVER punch back instead of trying to parry 100s of punches from these vermin?
Time to set up some proxies. Houthis, Odessan People's Resistance, ANYONE.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Arrow wrote:Sweden will give Ukraine, among others, ASC 890 early warning aircraft for cooperation with the F-16, AMRAAM missiles. F 16 planes will probably take off from Poland and Romania. NATO is preparing for full-scale war with Russia.

Strong worded warnings coming from Russia soon and no action.

Thanks for sharing your opinion Kent, but shouldn't you be cutting to Arnie Pye your eye in the sky right about now?

ALAMO wrote:Well, IT is not a crap. Just na inexpensive aew&c solutions. Which is being replaced on Sweden by a new generation as we speak. IT won't be as much usefull as IT used to be 15 years ago, on a totally differrent theatre.

The claim is that such planes will allow F16 to use AIM120D even with outdated radars

Its capability to scan ground targets will also give ATACMS the ability to strike more S400 and Iskander batteries that get detected by AWACS

But tbh how long it survives will mean if it wants to survive for long it needs to stay in the west of Ukraine outside of R37 and 40n6 range

Given that Russia doesn’t use Belarus airspace anymore it is possible they can survive in the west

But the utility of giving mid course guidance to AMRAAM and ATACMS will be pretty null from that far away

I guess NATO prepares for the eventuality that Russia reaches the Dnieper

And NATO fights from Lvov

So when will the war end ? Russia wants an end now , based on present frontlines . The Europeans , their population , largely indifferent , fuel prices dropped again and no Russian bombs dropped . The Americans , their population , busy killing each other with no time to think . And the rest of the world , indifferent . The Orcs do not want the war to end , an end of war means an end to them . And the MIC , they don't t want the war to end , an end to war means an end to their profits . So unless the MIC , see an end to their profits , and the Orcs see an end to their miserable lives , there won't be an end to war . So when will the war end ?

‘Not sufficient’: Ukrainian soldiers detail how US-supplied tank is faring in war

CNN chief international security correspondent Nick Paton Walsh talks to Ukrainians on the frontlines of the war against Russia, whose use of US-supplied Abrams tanks isn’t going to plan

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gxyUqvcl9oU&pp=ygULY25uIHVrcmFpbmU%3D

Isos wrote:First nuk to fly and everyone will know nato is just a US scam to sell weapons to a secured maket for them.

At one point it will have to happen, with the option whether we all die for Eastern European ultra-nationalists or we get serious about ending this whole proxy war charade. I can't say my hopes are too high on the first option coming from the traditional NATO countries (USA, Germany, France and Britain).

Besides it is not exactly certain that Article 5 can be invoked and justified if it is NATO that intervenes directly. NATO troops deployed in Ukrying would be a great gift to Putin, it almost seems that he is waiting for this eventuality since day 1.

nomadski wrote:

And the MIC , they don't t want the war to end , an end to war means an end to their profits . So unless the MIC , see an end to their profits , and the Orcs see an end to their miserable lives , there won't be an end to war . So when will the war end ?

Is the Western MIC making that much profit I wonder? Mothballing old production and producing shells isn't exactly milking the cow as far as they're concerned. Productivity hasnt' exactly gone up that significantly, most stocks have not seen exponential growth since 2022.

Correct me if I'm wrong but all I see is a slow demilitarization of NATO with some prospects of modernization in the long run, if ever. The US doesn't war this parasitic war to drag on as they have much more pressing issues such as Taiwan, while the war of attrition suits the Russian Federation's economy and modernization prospects, even though at 6-8% of GDP in military expenditures and at least 30K casualties per year, it better end by the next two years.

The problem is what will be of Ukrainian ultra-nationalism in the next two years? Or Polish, Baltic or Scandinavian revanchism in that future timeline? It's either an internal coup d'Etat in Ukraine itself and a massive financial meltdown in the West or both in such way that the West is humbled and learns to live with a powerful Russia. Or else there is still nukes... Let's see what happens in November 2024.

Atacms doesn't have mid course guidance.

People need to settle down. The chance if the awacs is slim and Ukraine already gets live feed from American and British awacs that fly near the conflict anyway.

PapaDragon wrote:
‘Not sufficient’: Ukrainian soldiers detail how US-supplied tank is faring in war

CNN chief international security correspondent Nick Paton Walsh talks to Ukrainians on the frontlines of the war against Russia, whose use of US-supplied Abrams tanks isn’t going to plan

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gxyUqvcl9oU&pp=ygULY25uIHVrcmFpbmU%3D

And unless the idiots in Washington want a nuclear conflagration it never will be. As I have said a few other times around here, the Abrams is the best tank in the world pound for pound IF IT DEPLOYED BY THE UNITED STATES TO FIGHT THE SORT OF WAR THE UNITED STATES CREATED IT TO FIGHT. Ukraine is not that sort of war. Iraq was, Afghanistan sort of was. Ukraine is not. If you have a well trained crew, a solid logistics train (because that tank guzzles gas the way Kent Brockman guzzles Ukrainian propaganda), air supremacy, close air support by A-10s and Apaches, artillery support, and Bradleys to pick off anti tank weapons and its fighting against Iraqi monkey works tanks or goatherders with RPGs then its the king of the battlefield. Deploy it in Ukraine where Ukrainian troops are poorly trained and badly led, logistics are always under attack, the best you can hope for is an occassional sortie by a drone or F-16 or some frankenstein feighter cobbled together from various airframes of cold war era Warsaw Pact fighters its a sitting duck.

Then again considering this proxy war is a scam, and the goal is to keep the war going as long as possible so the MIC can make billions and the politicans from Kiev to Washington can pad their retirement accounts, it can be argued that the Abrams are being deployed precisely according to plan.

nomadski wrote:


So when will the war end ? Russia wants an end now , based on present frontlines . The Europeans , their population , largely indifferent , fuel prices dropped again and no Russian bombs dropped . The Americans , their population , busy killing each other with no time to think . And the rest of the world , indifferent . The Orcs do not want the war to end , an end of war means an end to them . And the MIC , they don't t want the war to end , an end to war means an end to their profits . So unless the MIC , see an end to their profits , and the Orcs see an end to their miserable lives , there won't be an end to war . So when will the war end ?

I am not quite sure Russia wants an end now. They are offering an end if Ukraine is serious about wanting it, but ultimately I think nobody wants this to end just yet. The war profiteering criminals in Washington, London, and Brussels don't want it to end because its a cash cow for the MIC. Ukraine's people probably want this war to end, but the Ukrainian government doesn't want an end because if there is an end they are likely to get hanged. Putin? well, he would not be opposed to the end of the war, but the more idiots in NATO insist on giving Ukraine long range munitions the more likely it is that this war continues until what's left of Ukraine is too far away from major Russian cities and installations to be in range of those weapons

JohninMK wrote:

Claimed to be newly built Russian version.

Checking the coordinates, this is an Su-24 airbase just to the west of Stalingrad.

Like I said, they should've done this sooner. Good that they've finally started.

These hangars are done as a donation. Father of one of the pilots decided to help with building hangars. So, no change of official policy of Ru MoD re hangars.

caveat emptor wrote:These hangars are done as a donation. Father of one of the pilots decided to help with building hangars. So, no change of official policy of Ru MoD re hangars.

As per who, you? Some telegram channel?

You can't just build somewhere without approval.  Especially on a military base.

Edit: I see he got it from Crybar. Who are wrong like what, half the time?

Regardless, shelters have been proven useless as seen in Syria.  Russia MoD isn't dumb so they have their reasons to not be in a hurry to build them or build them at all.  But some Serb knows better of course.

Edit 2: thinking about it, instead of individual shelters where it is easy for sats to figure out what sits where, why not build one massive long shelter and have the planes spaced out inside so sats don't know where to hit directly? Can be reinforced inside of course so if 1 section gets hit, whole thing doesn't collapse. Maybe shelters is a good idea then.

nomadski wrote:


So when will the war end ? Russia wants an end now , based on present frontlines . The Europeans , their population , largely indifferent , fuel prices dropped again and no Russian bombs dropped . The Americans , their population , busy killing each other with no time to think . And the rest of the world , indifferent . The Orcs do not want the war to end , an end of war means an end to them . And the MIC , they don't t want the war to end , an end to war means an end to their profits . So unless the MIC , see an end to their profits , and the Orcs see an end to their miserable lives , there won't be an end to war . So when will the war end ?

The MOD said 2025, specifically Shoigu a couple of months ago

He’s gone now but I think that the calculus remains the same

Open up some more fronts in Sumy, Chernigov, maybe even Kiev

But keeping logistics short and bringing that power to bear close to safe hubs where air defense will be concentrated - so near the border

It will be tough to protect against standoff weapons but they will improve and gain a lot of experience

As they strengthen these bridgeheads and Ukraine impales itself on those positions like we see in Kharkov

The Russian army will just take everything east of the Dnieper with little resistance

As for the right bank, we will see if a direct war happens with NATO

If it does I do see the US staying uninvolved and arming European troops

Then it would be effectively a Russo-European war

Putin said recently made a question, which was rhetorical

He said what would the US do, considering their strategic parity should escalation persist

He is insinuating that a Russo-EU war is possible a long as the US does not intervene

And that’s probably how it will go

Baltics, Poles, Romanians will be first in line

Maybe the French, Germans, and UK behind them

But the US wouldn’t get involved, its own war with China is coming

Would be bad idea to leave Odessa to the West.

sepheronx wrote:Would be bad idea to leave Odessa to the West.

It won’t be, but the initial battles for western Ukraine will just be a long range standoff battle

Everything in that zone will be targeted

And the roles will reverse for Russia and NATO

Whereas now NATO is hitting Russia

Then Russia will hit NATO

Because from the Dnieper enough of a buffer space affords the VKS and PVO to stop missiles from hitting Russia

But on the right bank NATO will be there to stop Russian troops

So they will be manning positions and actually moving on the ground

Meaning they will be juicy targets for Russian standoff weapons

Putin himself already warned Europe with its dense cities and small territory

The implication is quite clear about the next phase of this war

The Ukrainian cope about the future conduct of the war appears to be "Russia will finally run out of everything in 2025 and then the Western MIC we imagine still exists in our mind palace will allow us to win" which is ... definitely ... a strategy I guess.

Maybe but I don't see it working that way exactly.

If NATO forces do move in, they will just be targets Russia will hit. No need to go after them in their countries. Since Europe doesn't have much of a military, with Ukraine being its strongest one, then there won't be much of a fight.

Once body bags arrive back home, most in Europe won't stomach it.  So Russia needs to move into Odessa to prevent any kind of foreign assets in terms of navy moving in.

Vympel wrote:The Ukrainian cope about the future conduct of the war appears to be "Russia will finally run out of everything in 2025 and then the Western MIC we imagine still exists in our mind palace will allow us to win" which is ... definitely ... a strategy I guess.

Hard to imagine them believing anything of the sort when stuff is still rolling off assembly lines in terms of Russia.

sepheronx wrote:Maybe but I don't see it working that way exactly.

Hard to imagine them believing anything of the sort when stuff is still rolling off assembly lines in terms of Russia.

I don't know if they believe it but they certainly do say it. You know the type - 'OSINT'-bros who make pretensions of 'loss tracking' and repeating to themselves that Russian equipment losses are unsustainable and cannot be made good.

Let’s be honest about Voronezh radar hits

They were a response

To Diehl - IRIS factory fire

Scranton Ammo plant fire

BAE Systems explosion in UK

The GRU is already working in NATO





NATO is responding , but this is only the first round of strikes between Russia and NATO

NATO uses Ukraine

Russia uses the GRU

Once Taurus hits Russia, KH101 will fly to NATO

The path to escalation is already paved and politicians are “green lighting “ what has already been decided since months ago

Alright, fantasy and what ifs aside, I want to know.

Has there been any updates lately of new equipment for Russia? Like, new tanks, new ad systems (Pantsir, Tor and Buk) and missile systems like iskander and launchers?

“If these serious consequences occur in Europe, how will the United States behave, bearing in mind our parity in the field of strategic weapons?” Putin added, in his remarks to reporters. “It’s hard to say — do they want a global conflict?”

“Representatives of countries that are NATO members, particularly in Europe, should be aware of what they are playing with,” Putin said.
“Countries with small territory and dense populations” should be particularly careful, Putin warned.

It’s very clear where this is going