Russian special military operation in Ukraine #60

Perhaps that's why they are investing in weapons like QUICKSINK which will probably be used to compel the adversary to empty their SAMs before they can launch their long range more expensive missiles like the AGM-158C LRASM

The Russians were already increasing their ready to fire number of air defence missiles and have done from Soviet times... the SA-4 (two missiles) was replaced by SA-6 (3 missiles ready to fire), which was replaced by SA-11 and SA-17 (four missiles  ready to fire) now being replaced by Viking with 6 to 12 missiles ready to fire... every system increasing in effective range performance of the missiles... at short range the SA-9 had four missiles ready to fire, SA-13 has 6 ready to fire, Tunguska had 4 and then 8 missiles ready to fire, Tunguska now has 12... OSA had 6 missiles ready to fire and the original TOR had 8 and now 16... S-300 had four per launcher but S-350 has 12 and up to 48 with the tiny 9M100 missiles fitted, while S-350 missiles can replace the S-400 missiles four to one, so the original four tube launcher truck can carry 16 S-350 missiles ready to fire.

Now they have drones to deal with and they are adding heavy calibre guns with airburst and guided shells and also lasers and are developing new cheap minimissiles... but more than that they are developing heavy missiles that deliver mini missiles to a place where lots of targets are like the R-33/37 AAMs they were talking about with multiple missiles as payload so launching one 300km range missile towards a group of targets enable multiple targets to be engaged when the large missile arrives and releases mini missiles to engage multiple separate individual targets.

Ironically western air defences can't even deal with cruise missiles or supersonic threats and they are pushing Russia to the next level of drone swarms... Russia is ready for the challenge... but the west is getting further and further behind.

China already has a very impressive aircraft production. They have reportedly already produced over 200 to 300 J 20, which is an impressive number. But how much truth is there in that?

Their potential is enormous if they think they need it... look at their ship production...

Making cheap drones on its own could overwhelm any western force very quickly... they are not even equipped to deal with a few drones yet...

While it's true that Western labour costs are higher, economies of scale and specialization can offset these costs.

The west does not make all the components, so most electric motors and batteries will need to be imported... from China.

More importantly look at the costs of western artillery shells... they were about 2K euros and when they put them back into mass production (which they haven't really yet) the price quadrupled to 8K euros per shell... Western governments  are going have to invest trillions into their arms industries but even when they do they wont get bargains. 750 billion to bail out US banks and not a cent was paid back... no relief for loans or debts for the customers who paid for that 750 billion bailout... It just all disappears into pockets and bank accounts never to be seen again.

Large-scale production facilities in the US are now leveraging automation, standardized processes, and bulk material purchases to reduce overall unit costs.

Squandering extra money on robots only makes sense when labour costs are too high.... except labour costs were never the problem... greedy CEOs in collusion with Pentagon officials controlling contracts were the problem... hoping to get cushy well paid jobs in the private sector when they retired...

The weapons manufacturing process in the US has been almost entirely automated. Manufacturing techniques like 3D printing/additive manufacturing is now reducing production time and costs especially for complex components.

And the price of everything continues to go up and materials have to be imported because they don't make them in the US any more.

The US aircraft industry... civil and military rely on Russian metals to make their basic products...

The USA will enforce Ukrainian people to pay that debt. Like other nations that have been too unlucky to fell under control of puppet governments installed by USA "color revolutions".

And any such state would just default and declare bankruptcy.

Or just join the Russian Federation or Poland and say what stuff are you talking about... I never signed anything...

If it isn't in writing then it never happened... isn't that what the west said about not a single step east for HATO?

According to this source the rumored "secret talks" between Russia and Ukraine was a deal to "stop strikes on energy infrastructures" from both sides.

But it was being talked about before the Kursk encursion and that led to Putin saying no more negotiations... so Kiev threatening to strike Kursk NPP has ended any chance of such a deal.

Normally it will take over natural resources, of which there are many in Ukraine. They have already taken over their fields, etc.

And if it becomes Russian Federation land, how do they prove ownership?

Why would Russia reward the companies that are driving this war and killing Russians and Ukrainians alike?

The same old-fashioned way.
Stealing gold reserves.
Deducting liabilities.

The problem here is that the west has ploughed billions into this adventure... possibly trillions, and I don't think Russia will be willing to play ball this time around.

I rather suspect a core reason why Kiev do desperately wanted those regions back was the fact that there are a lot of resources in that territory they were likely hoping to sell or had already sold. Otherwise you would think it was not worth taking on Russia to get those hostile regions back.

They clearly didn't want the people.

I bet the guys who got the jobs of flying drones to kill the enemy couldn't believe their luck... well now it seems even their luck is running out.

Post about the French arresting a guy moved to the off topic thread here

PhSt wrote:



War correspondents were able to determine the possible location of NATO F-16s in Ukraine. If true, Russia shouldn't waste time and strike this airbase somewhere in the Ivano-Frankovsk region. However, its also possible that this is a controlled leak and that the F-16s are operating from NATO bases in Romania. If proven true, and if Ukraine did launch attacks against Russia from NATO bases, these bases need to be taken out ASAP.  

If it is Ivano Frankovsk, wipe it out with conventional ordinance. If its Romania, Airman Ivanov and Airman Smirnov at aviation ordinance need to accidently load a couple nuclear tipped rockets to their piliots' Su 34s. NATO arming Ukes is plausible deniability. NATO launching attacks? That is direct involvement and they to be made permanently neutral