Russian special military operation in Ukraine #60

ALAMO wrote:You should.
As it seems you are the next on the menu.

We already been on the menu

History didn't start in 2014

Belisarius wrote:

https://x.com/witte_sergei/status/1827391625167007982

Like Pokemons, They evolved from suicide drone operators to suicide drones.

franco wrote:Russian MoD reporting 2480 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours including...

Trending to 3000 per day and higher.

Perhaps that's why they are investing in weapons like QUICKSINK which will probably be used to compel the adversary to empty their SAMs before they can launch their long range more expensive missiles like the AGM-158C LRASM

The Russians were already increasing their ready to fire number of air defence missiles and have done from Soviet times... the SA-4 (two missiles) was replaced by SA-6 (3 missiles ready to fire), which was replaced by SA-11 and SA-17 (four missiles  ready to fire) now being replaced by Viking with 6 to 12 missiles ready to fire... every system increasing in effective range performance of the missiles... at short range the SA-9 had four missiles ready to fire, SA-13 has 6 ready to fire, Tunguska had 4 and then 8 missiles ready to fire, Tunguska now has 12... OSA had 6 missiles ready to fire and the original TOR had 8 and now 16... S-300 had four per launcher but S-350 has 12 and up to 48 with the tiny 9M100 missiles fitted, while S-350 missiles can replace the S-400 missiles four to one, so the original four tube launcher truck can carry 16 S-350 missiles ready to fire.

Now they have drones to deal with and they are adding heavy calibre guns with airburst and guided shells and also lasers and are developing new cheap minimissiles... but more than that they are developing heavy missiles that deliver mini missiles to a place where lots of targets are like the R-33/37 AAMs they were talking about with multiple missiles as payload so launching one 300km range missile towards a group of targets enable multiple targets to be engaged when the large missile arrives and releases mini missiles to engage multiple separate individual targets.

Ironically western air defences can't even deal with cruise missiles or supersonic threats and they are pushing Russia to the next level of drone swarms... Russia is ready for the challenge... but the west is getting further and further behind.

China already has a very impressive aircraft production. They have reportedly already produced over 200 to 300 J 20, which is an impressive number. But how much truth is there in that?

Their potential is enormous if they think they need it... look at their ship production...

Making cheap drones on its own could overwhelm any western force very quickly... they are not even equipped to deal with a few drones yet...

While it's true that Western labour costs are higher, economies of scale and specialization can offset these costs.

The west does not make all the components, so most electric motors and batteries will need to be imported... from China.

More importantly look at the costs of western artillery shells... they were about 2K euros and when they put them back into mass production (which they haven't really yet) the price quadrupled to 8K euros per shell... Western governments  are going have to invest trillions into their arms industries but even when they do they wont get bargains. 750 billion to bail out US banks and not a cent was paid back... no relief for loans or debts for the customers who paid for that 750 billion bailout... It just all disappears into pockets and bank accounts never to be seen again.

Large-scale production facilities in the US are now leveraging automation, standardized processes, and bulk material purchases to reduce overall unit costs.

Squandering extra money on robots only makes sense when labour costs are too high.... except labour costs were never the problem... greedy CEOs in collusion with Pentagon officials controlling contracts were the problem... hoping to get cushy well paid jobs in the private sector when they retired...

The weapons manufacturing process in the US has been almost entirely automated. Manufacturing techniques like 3D printing/additive manufacturing is now reducing production time and costs especially for complex components.

And the price of everything continues to go up and materials have to be imported because they don't make them in the US any more.

The US aircraft industry... civil and military rely on Russian metals to make their basic products...

The USA will enforce Ukrainian people to pay that debt. Like other nations that have been too unlucky to fell under control of puppet governments installed by USA "color revolutions".

And any such state would just default and declare bankruptcy.

Or just join the Russian Federation or Poland and say what stuff are you talking about... I never signed anything...

If it isn't in writing then it never happened... isn't that what the west said about not a single step east for HATO?

According to this source the rumored "secret talks" between Russia and Ukraine was a deal to "stop strikes on energy infrastructures" from both sides.

But it was being talked about before the Kursk encursion and that led to Putin saying no more negotiations... so Kiev threatening to strike Kursk NPP has ended any chance of such a deal.

Normally it will take over natural resources, of which there are many in Ukraine. They have already taken over their fields, etc.

And if it becomes Russian Federation land, how do they prove ownership?

Why would Russia reward the companies that are driving this war and killing Russians and Ukrainians alike?

The same old-fashioned way.
Stealing gold reserves.
Deducting liabilities.

The problem here is that the west has ploughed billions into this adventure... possibly trillions, and I don't think Russia will be willing to play ball this time around.

I rather suspect a core reason why Kiev do desperately wanted those regions back was the fact that there are a lot of resources in that territory they were likely hoping to sell or had already sold. Otherwise you would think it was not worth taking on Russia to get those hostile regions back.

They clearly didn't want the people.

I bet the guys who got the jobs of flying drones to kill the enemy couldn't believe their luck... well now it seems even their luck is running out.

Post about the French arresting a guy moved to the off topic thread here

kvs wrote:

franco wrote:Russian MoD reporting 2480 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours including...

Trending to 3000 per day and higher.  

I am learning to subtract any statements by 10 when listening to officials. I know I am not their intended audience, but they are starting to piss me off, honestly.

Let’s look at this realistically and comparing WW2 casualties in Kursk front (as example)

Nazis had almost 1 million troops in Kursk. Well supplier and manned.

Their daily losses were roughly 3000 KIA/WIA.

Battle of Kursk lasted for 49 days (Citadel and Soviet counter) and buckbroke nazis.

Scale is not the same here and this war is fought by small units due to various limitations (self-imposed for Russia, reality - for Ukrainians)

The Ukrainian MOD's claim of 1,200 Russian KIAs daily is insanely exaggerated, with actual figures closer to +-120 with few mass casualty events in between.

This level of attrition would imply the loss size of three battalions daily, which is unrealistic given the current scale of engagements. Unrealistic knowing how hard is to actually for Ukrainians to restaff and grinding Russian assaults with small fire teams instead of big arrow, division sized breakthroughs.

Current hot battles are mostly around Kursk and Pokrovsk. Ukrainian units in these areas are already eroded and giving ground (Ukrainian brigades there identified and tracked same those in Kursk) and such high losses would likely lead to a rapid collapse of their lines, not the steady attrition being reported.

It’s up to you what to believe, but the figures seem more aligned with propaganda than with the actual battlefield situation. It’s just another day at the front.

Regular wrote:

Let’s look at this realistically and comparing WW2 casualties in Kursk front (as example)

Nazis had almost 1 million troops in Kursk. Well supplier and manned.

Their daily losses were roughly 3000 KIA/WIA.

Battle of Kursk lasted for 49 days (Citadel and Soviet counter) and buckbroke nazis.

Scale is not the same here and this war is fought by small units due to various limitations (self-imposed for Russia, reality - for Ukrainians)

According to Russians, Nazis had ca. half million casualties in Kursk, calculated over that period of time that results in almost 10k per day. Indeed the scale is different, but we talk here about the whole front, with the ukie incursion in Kursk just making numbers peak from less than 2k per day to almost 2,5k currently. I see no big reason to doubt those numbers, other than assuming that MoD cannot account for every actual casualty.

Another one and its crew and support team in its nest bites the dust

On the road to Pokrovsk...

@Regular

Where are the numbers for the Ukr force density compared to the Nazis during WWII? Without this information fobbing off the official loss numbers is
absurd. You mean divide and not subtract. So according to you, the Ukrs are losing only 250 men per day. That is delusionally low.

The same old-fashioned way.
Stealing gold reserves.
Deducting liabilities.

The debt will be the reason why the west keeps sanctions against Russia.
They will claim that Russia has to pay for it because Russia took over regions of the fake country formerly known als Ukraine.

Hole wrote:

The same old-fashioned way.
Stealing gold reserves.
Deducting liabilities.

The debt will be the reason why the west keeps sanctions against Russia.
They will claim that Russia has to pay for it because Russia took over regions of the fake country formerly known als Ukraine.

Good. Sanctions have forced Russia to become self sufficient and has a growing middle class because of it. Hopefully the gas Russia sells to Europe gets completely rerouted to Asia at some point so the EU can turn into White Africa, but without the resources Africa has.

Hole wrote:
The debt will be the reason why the west keeps sanctions against Russia.
They will claim that Russia has to pay for it because Russia took over regions of the fake country formerly known als Ukraine.

Maybe,but wars do not work like that.
They did bet on the losing side and the money is lost.
If they want to complain they can protest with their boss (the US and those criminals in the EU commissione) that forced them in a no win situation.

Good. 

They did bet on the losing side and the money is lost.

Sure, Russia won´t care.
Only problem is that they will go after smaller countries Russia is trading with.
But that will be an incentive for those countries to join organisations like BRICS and the SCO.

In the words of a British tanker in WW2 this is a proper brew-up. Could it be a Challenger?

This strategy of the madhouse can only mean that they have written off Donbas, or else that is where this lot should be headed.

The Ukrainian channel "Resident" on the importance of the attack on the Kursk region for the image of the Kiev regime:

Our source in the General Staff reported that the AFU is unable to break through the enemy's defenses in Korenyovo, which is why Syrskyi is transferring new units to the Kursk region from Zaporozhye, Odessa, and Volyn regions. The list of brigades and units will be expanded, and the AFU contingent will be increased to 40,000 soldiers.

It is worth noting that the AFU's losses in the Kursk region have already exceeded 5,800 people.

http://T.me/ukraine_watch

ALAMO wrote:

No.

Pity. Abrams?

War correspondents were able to determine the possible location of NATO F-16s in Ukraine. If true, Russia shouldn't waste time and strike this airbase somewhere in the Ivano-Frankovsk region. However, its also possible that this is a controlled leak and that the F-16s are operating from NATO bases in Romania. If proven true, and if Ukraine did launch attacks against Russia from NATO bases, these bases need to be taken out ASAP.

Moving on... watch those bandera fags run...

JohninMK wrote:

ALAMO wrote:

No.

Pity. Abrams?

Some of these tanks are so heavily modified with all the add-ons, but the barrel is too long for the Abrahams.
I think it may well be a Challenger but it's hard to tell.