Russian special military operation in Ukraine #61

Bad look for the Russians killing Russell Bentley...WTF did they do that for?

@Alamo

First off what your calling a falling drone isn't a falling drone, that's about all I need to say in response to your comment

don't lie because you want to try and score some cheap likes from the other cheerleaders, btw I remember you saying two years ago Ukraine is out of men because of your expert research.....

How is that claim going for you?

lets not go into the dozens off other lies you have constantly stated but hey

Belisarius wrote:

Frankly all I see are cheerleaders try to use pics to suit their narrative.

Said the guy who creates lies to suit his own narrative...

Naw I am pretty factual, the problem is when you try to have logical conversations with fanboys and cheerleaders, they will receive anything you say as false because it goes against their adjenda.

Example

Me "The Russian Duma, Medev, others are unhappy Putin is holding the army back"

You guys "you LIAR WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH"

Me "You can literally go find them saying it yourself"

So nice try buttercup

One thing I see people fail to realize is why Putin doesn't strike directly against NATO, is because well he can't.

Putin knows if he starts a war with NATO not only will his forces get overrun, but eventually Nukes will fly.

the russians have been unable to soundly defeat Ukraine with NATO help and NATO isn't exactly going in overdrive to help Ukraine. Granted there are reasons why, Putin handcuffing etc.

If Putin attacks even if claiming "self defense" that will make NATO mobilize, production will sky rocket and Russian AD will be whipped out.

Remember Ukraine alone is able to get past Russian AD, it finds holes, saturates etc.

Now add in a mobilized NATO, the Russians will not be able hold on.

Putins problem is he isn't doing what he needs to in Ukraine to bring Ukraine to its knees soundly and again, Russian leaders and what not share the same feeling.

This is why Putin doesn't really attack NATO.

The only way he could and not cause an article five is IF A NATO member attacks so brazenly that no one can deny they attacked first but we in NATO know how to strike in such a way, you cannot really prove it, granted this is small scale attacks not large ones that we wouldn't be able to cover.

This is Putins catch 22 in a nutshell.

This also why Nato can't attack genius. No one would care about russian air defence at that point and holes in the cheese.

Russian startegy isn't to win land right now but kill as many as possible. Only a dumbass would think they couldn't mount attacks and wipe out those 2 or 3 Patriots and Iris-T.

They let just enough to Ukraine to think they can win so that they keep going in. Most of ukrainian infrastructure was clean 6 months ago. It's obvious they spare most of Ukrainian targets...

lyle6 wrote:

franco wrote:Killers of American volunteer Russell Bentley found. They turned out to be Russian Armed Forces servicemen

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Send them to the hottest parts of the front with the convicts. Don't rotate them out until they are either dead or the war is won.

An american going from bases to bases all accross Donbass. Not something a spy would do... Thry shouldn't allow such things anyway.

Isos wrote:This also why Nato can't attack genius. No one would care about russian air defence at that point and holes in the cheese.

Russian startegy isn't to win land right now but kill as many as possible. Only a dumbass would think they couldn't mount attacks and wipe out those 2 or 3 Patriots and Iris-T.

They let just enough to Ukraine to think they can win so that they keep going in. Most of ukrainian infrastructure was clean 6 months ago. It's obvious they spare most of Ukrainian targets...

I am not talking about why NATO can't attack buddy, don't put words in my mouth.

First off you don't know what your talking about Ukraine has more than three patriot launchers, your confusing a launcher with the entire system.

There is more then one battery per system, this is actually why when russia says they hit a patriot they especially say "launcher".

Also you're trying to suggest the Russians are allowing Ukraine to have AD which makes their pilots jobs much harder and gets some killed.

Thats a completely fucking retarded thing to say, if Russia could they would utterly wipe out all of the AD because that would make their job much easier.

Fact is they have done wave attacks with missiles to try and find the launchers to then target and destroy them

Once you said this bit of "wisdom" you lost me buddy, please share with me your next bit of genius so I can laugh at that.

As for the grinding that is partly true, but again you lying their goal is to generally grind down but they also know they need to advance, Russia isn't fighting this war has a only attrition war, they are trying to move forward to seize key ground because they cannot wait 10-15 years to do it.

get off them internet article General Amrchair.

Also Ukie infrastructure is alive and well, what in the flying of all fucks are you saying, REALITY SAYS HELLO.

Also you're trying to suggest the Russians are allowing Ukraine to have AD which makes their pilots jobs much harder and gets some killed.

Thats a completely fucking retarded thing to say, if Russia could they would utterly wipe out all of the AD because that would make their job much easier.

When the bristish cracked the enigma machine, they did nothing to prevent Nazi to destroy ships because it would give away the hint to the nazi.

Same for Russia. It's easier to deal with Ukraine if it keeps some soviet s-300 and get few Patriot than destroying all and obliging the westerners to send even more AD that they are less used to.

Same for fighter jets. As long as Ukraine will have mig-29/su-27 it won't get tens of f-16 that would be better plateforms for the nato missiles they use. It's in Russia's interest to not destroy all of them, something they could easily do. Letting ukrainians fly their Su-27 firing blindly their ARM missiles that cost 1 million piece is a good way to keep them busy doing nothing. A f-16 with its integrated sensors and designed to use tge ARM woukd do a better job.

Russians destroyed plenty of AD, weapons and munition stocks. They know how to find them and how to destroy them. Once there is to much of something they will bomb it to reduce the quantity or if it's really a danger. A patriot or S-300 sitting 700km away isn't a dangerous system, if it intercepts geran-2 it's also a useful dumb system.

In military strategy sometimes doing nothing is better than doing something because doing something will make the things go faster which isn't always good.

because it goes against their adjenda.

Or because you provided 0 evidence that only one missile was used in the attack or the presence of any valuable missiles stored in that depot.

Belisarius wrote:

because it goes against their adjenda.

Or because you provided 0 evidence that only one missile was used in the attack or the presence of any valuable missiles stored in that depot.

The size of the explosion and the continued burn shows it wasn't just shells.

You don't get that level of boom of arty shells buddy, you clearly don't know the science involved very well

The fire kept burning to for a long time, there was missile fuel involved that's the only way you get what you got there.

As for the missile, drones would not have been able to penetrate that reinforced bunker.

The only thing that could have is a missile.

It's common sense and basic logic.

True maybe more then one was involved but I have only heard mention one

https://www.facebook.com/K01Archive/videos/1094016025486261

Video clip: Zelensky's outflanking attack in Kursk was destroyed by Russians.

So that is how Zelensky's "trap" for Russia worked. Now we have to wait for the result of his so-called marvellous "plan".

Reader's comment: Zelensky is a rare breed of genius, before making an attack he always tell all his plans to the public.

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Picture: New recruits of 127th Terrirtory Defense Brigade of Ukraine. This brigade was infamous in 2022 with the tiktok video of hugging the border poles.

At the moment, the outflanking movement of Ukrainians in Kursk is a failure.

The problem here is before making the attack, Zelensky went on TV show to announced the location of the attack. And then Ukrainians using Leopard ran into the well-prepared fortifications of Russia. Not to mention that for a whole month Ukraine only focus on destroying Russian bridges there without making any timely attack.

Ukrainian was successful at the beginning of the Kursk attack, but now this second outflanking attack is a complete failure.

Reader's comment: why the new recruits are all old men ?

Never denied they "winning" I have said they are going to slow and holding back which officials in Russia agree.

You are apparently American, you should know how to read.

Or ar you copying Garry's tactics now and putting words in people's mouths to make it appear they said something they never did.

Pathetic cope attempt buddy, Garry at least does it better.

Feel free to get one quote from me saying the Russians are losing that isn't taken out of context, I'll wait

Russia will make everyone pay their bills, by Victoria Nikiforova for RiaNovosti. 09.21.2024.

Westerners, demanding blows against Russia, seem to be living in captivity of old cliches from poorly translated novels by Leo Tolstoy. Platon Karatayev, forgiveness, selflessness, non-resistance to evil by violence - all that. No matter what is done to the Russians, they will not take revenge and after their victory they will forgive everyone everything, such is their mysterious soul.

I would like to tell all these dreamers that Russians have changed a lot in the last decades, and the revolution in the consciousness of our people was completed by the SVO. We have become vindictive and have forgotten how to forgive debts.

Sometimes our retaliation arrives so quickly that no one has time to come to their senses. The day before yesterday, for example, three of our legendary one-and-a-half-ton high-explosive gliding aerial bombs (FAB) found and hit a building where Ukrainian special forces were stationed. Finding the remains is difficult, since, according to eyewitnesses, "only shavings and fine concrete dust remained of the building."

Sometimes revenge does not come immediately - first captivity, thorough interrogations, then a trial and a prison term. Hundreds of VSSU officers guilty of murdering our prisoners and civilians have already been sentenced and convicted in the Donetsk and Lugansk republics. The legislation there has not yet been harmonized with the Russian Criminal Code, so the terms are considerable - 27, 28, 29 years. By the way, there, as in fraternal Belarus , the death penalty has not yet been abolished. Similar trials are also taking place in Russia.

The work of a Russian investigator does not look nearly as spectacular as the action of high-explosive air bombs. Examination of remains, study of the crime scene, interviews with witnesses, lots of paperwork and reports... The public feels like they have created some kind of bureaucracy: why do this if you can just "bang" and "smash"?

In fact, Ukrainian criminals should understand: no matter what they imagine about an independent Ukraine , Russian justice will deal with them. Without unnecessary effects, boringly and slowly this machine will get to everyone and restore justice.

If necessary, this sword of Damocles will hang over them for decades. You can have plastic surgery, buy new passports, run from country to country, they will still get to everyone.

After the Great Patriotic War, the same Banderites and other Nazi henchmen were caught for many years. Crimes such as the mass murder in Odessa , the shooting of people in Donetsk , the attacks on Sevastopol and Belgorod, the attack on the Kursk region , have no statute of limitations.

The Western masters of Kiev should understand this well. In 1945, the Russian people showed unimaginable nobility towards the Europeans who attacked us. It was not appreciated. Well, that means that now we will pursue Western criminals as relentlessly and mercilessly as Israel pursued its enemies . Here is a good example of a country that does not know how to forgive.

And all debts will have to be paid too - Russia has accumulated many bills to pay. No one has forgotten about our frozen three hundred billion dollars, there will be trials, there will be proceedings, let the penalties for late payment grow.

There is currently a special commission working in the Crimean parliament to calculate the damage caused to the peninsula by Ukraine. The sum of claims for water and electricity cuts, terrorism, and blockade attempts has already exceeded 14 trillion rubles, but the work is not yet finished. Ukraine has no money? That means the bills for payment will be presented to their Western masters.

A lot of work is being done to bring charges against Germany for the genocide of the Soviet people. Indeed, there is not a single family in our country where ancestors did not suffer at the hands of Nazi criminals. Compensation will also be demanded for all of this. And we should not forget about the vassals of the Third Reich, who also carried out massacres in our country during the Great Patriotic War. The time has come for European countries to pay and repent.

"Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten" - this Soviet phrase has acquired tragic relevance today: this is precisely why the Russian investigator carries out his unnoticeable work, assembles commissions, requests and draws up documents. All this boring bureaucracy has no less striking power than FABs.

A lawyer by education , Dmitry Medvedev, wrote about this very well : "The main thing here is inevitability. It is not so important when exactly the reckoning will come. What is important is its inevitability. Well, so that every creature, regardless of its nation, faith, citizenship and position, who committed a crime against our country and our people, or any crazy scum, simply screaming "Kill civilians in Kursk!" - know: they will come for them. So that they toss and turn at night, look around on the street, change their data and even citizenship, carry weapons with them, rush around safe houses. So that they turn into a sick rat..."

Well, having achieved the triumph of justice, it will be possible to turn on Platon Karataev's regime again. Forgiveness, mercy, selflessness - and so on down the list. But only after our FABs have worked on the enemy, the investigators have completed their routine work, the judge in his robe will stand up and pronounce his sentence. Only in that order.

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SeigSoloyvov wrote:One thing I see people fail to realize is why Putin doesn't strike directly against NATO, is because well he can't.

Putin knows if he starts a war with NATO not only will his forces get overrun, but eventually Nukes will fly.

the russians have been unable to soundly defeat Ukraine with NATO help and NATO isn't exactly going in overdrive to help Ukraine. Granted there are reasons why, Putin handcuffing etc.

If Putin attacks even if claiming "self defense" that will make NATO mobilize, production will sky rocket and Russian AD will be whipped out.

Remember Ukraine alone is able to get past Russian AD, it finds holes, saturates etc.

Now add in a mobilized NATO, the Russians will not be able hold on.

Putins problem is he isn't doing what he needs to in Ukraine to bring Ukraine to its knees soundly and again, Russian leaders and what not share the same feeling.

This is why Putin doesn't really attack NATO.

The only way he could and not cause an article five is IF A NATO member attacks so brazenly that no one can deny they attacked first but we in NATO know how to strike in such a way, you cannot really prove it, granted this is small scale attacks not large ones that we wouldn't be able to cover.

This is Putins catch 22 in a nutshell.

What do you mean he can't?

You're arguing that you should never defend yourself if it means going to war against a stronger opponent?
No, that's not how it works. What it comes down to is that Putin will be forced to take Russia into war, regardless of what he does or doesn't want, because the consequence of any indecision would itself be an escalation of strikes against Russia and NATO going to war with it anyway.

Frankly NATO is a colossus on clay legs. The reigning culture of its societies are hedonism and individualism, it relies on Nazified Eastern European nations to provide the cannon fodder - but after the Ukraine's example who's going to volunteer?

NATO nations are heavily de-industrialized too. Not only just the industries, but also all the specialist workers that go with that. Can it be rectified? Of course, but it will take a decade of investment and even then at China-levels of work-ethic. In the West at the moment no-one even wants to work a 9 to 5 anymore. Blue-collar jobs continue their nosedive while companies with office workers are having a hard time just herding their workers back into the office away from remote work

NATO is divided too, by that I mean a lot of countries there really don't want to attack Russia and provoke WW3. And both the people and the political classes in those countries know the difference between Russia outright invading NATO and retaliating in kind against NATO attacks - the later will not convince them to join the war in the defense of Britain or whoever was stupid enough to provoke a crisis.

So those are the political/economic problems.

Then we get onto the immediate military ones. On what basis would Russian forces get overrun, if NATO has already sent half its equipment to the Ukraine? Yes it has the other half, and potentially another 100,000 front-line troops that can be gathered within a few months who are well-trained and well equipped, but that won't turn the war; Russia has an advantage in manpower already, at most NATO reinforcements can stop Russia's advances but it would take them a while to get there even then. And then it will come down to mobilization waves for both sides. So the whole war will be prolonged. There can be no rapid breakthrough of the sort that NATO staff fantasize about

Same goes for Russian air-defenses. If NATO starts launching all its missiles at once, then of course Russian air-defenses will be saturated, but Russia at the same time will be firing back at all NATO launch platforms, and at all NATO targets. The only NATO nation with a respectable stockpile of missiles and long-range drones is the US itself. How does their stockpile compare to Russia's? I don't know. But I do know that NATO has less air-defense means than Russia has, except for their surface fleets. Which may help to preserve their ships as launch platforms, but not targets in Europe or the continental US themselves.

And then it comes down to the industry. Well, NATO factories are already increasing production of ammo and missiles and whatever else, and at a reasonable pace, but that really won't continue if the missiles start flying - as said factories will be amongst the highest-priority targets. Same of course goes for Russian facilities.
And then it will be up to South Korea and Pakistan and Japan to produce weapons for NATO, and China and North Korea and Iran to produce weapons for Russia. I think the Russian-side has the advantage here too.

Another ammunition depo was blown by Ukrainisn drones... For those who might wonder why they are successful- they sent 100 drones, so noth much Russia could do against it....it is that simple.

lyle6 wrote:Send them to the hottest parts of the front with the convicts. Don't rotate them out until they are either dead or the war is won.

They murdered one of their ex-comrades in arms, after torturing him. I don't think even a penal squad has a place for them. Just send them to the slammer for 20 years each and be done with it.

Isos wrote:An american going from bases to bases all accross Donbass. Not something a spy would do... Thry shouldn't allow such things anyway.

Not up to them to decide who is a spy or not. If that's what they suspected they should have alerted the DNR's security services and let them investigate.