Russian special military operation in Ukraine #61

DD Geopolitics was banned from YouTube a couple weeks ago. Now Glen Diesen was banned.

The Duran , History Legends and Military Summery won't last much longer. Regardless of their efforts to stay objective.

I am sure that WEF faggot and narcissist Turdope is screeching at Youtube and other social media to ban every content creator who is "spreading lies" aka truth. Youtube may
get banned itself in Kanada for refusing to submit to this POS.

Western democracy was a sham. If it was real it would not disappear so quickly at the hands of imbeciles and degenerates.

Western democracy was a sham.

If elections could change something, they would be forbidden.

sepheronx wrote:
From understanding, this was one of the earliest prototypes that was lost.  So if I was to make a bet, it probably had basic of various tech in it.  This was testing of course and there was an issue.  So it was shot down.

Later units will be different of course.  We shall see what countermeasures they have.

It may not have been due to jamming or spoofing.  Ukraine kinda lacks a lot of that capabilities.  Could have been sheer failure because it is still prototype.

It may be actually bad if the prototype included RAM/RAS representative of the final version, of which abundant samples could be recovered after the crash, so Russia would have been right in not using it in a prototype overflying enemy territory. We will probably not know about such details anytime soon

One order left before Zelensky's liquidation, by Kirill Strelnikov for RiaNovosti. 10.06.2024.

That Zelensky had begun to noticeably stink, that is, go rotten, his Western curators realized after the resounding failure of the "victorious counteroffensive" of 2023, which the illegitimate president of Ukraine promised to end in the Kremlin, but ended with XXXL-sized cemeteries all over Nezalezhnaya.

It was then that the first signs appeared that the West had begun to strain the thin Kiev broth in search of a more effective puppet, for which, among other things, the former commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Zaluzhny, was summoned to London for inspection . As recently as July of this year, the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service also declassified data on the United States' search for a replacement for Volodymyr Zelensky, where even such ridiculous options as Klitschko and Poroshenko were mentioned.

However, judging by the latest events, Zelensky was given another chance, with the conditions to speed up mobilization as much as possible and "make it look good," that is, to create some kind of media military victory for Kiev before the US presidential elections , in order to help the Democratic candidate's rating.

Instead of nice, it turned out ugly: the PR adventure in the Kursk region , specially developed for this case, failed - and turned into an industrial meat grinder for more and more new reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, raked out of all the barns and bins. In order to get another very small and very last chance, Zelensky rushed to Washington to Biden with a "victory plan", which also turned out to be a dud - and as a snack Zelensky returned just in time for the capture of Ugledar , a deep shock from which remains in the West to this day.

Instead of admitting his own failures, Zelensky has publicly blamed his Western patrons for Ukraine's recent defeats.

And this, apparently, was the last straw.

If earlier the internal discontent with Zelensky on the part of his curators was carefully hidden behind closed doors, now the partners' rage has burst out in full force. In response to Zelensky's accusations, the Pentagon press secretary in harsh terms essentially told him to shut up and stay out of the spotlight. And yesterday, the British publication The Guardian published a devastating article, where, perhaps for the first time, the idea was bluntly voiced that it was high time to put on a leash the dogs that bite the feeding hands, whose actions bring their owners more risks and harm than good. Netanyahu and Zelensky were meant.

Interestingly, a similar thought was voiced by Professor of the University of Helsinki and geopolitical expert Tuomas Malinen, who can hardly be suspected of pro-Russian views: "Zelensky is a mad dog ​​who needs to be brought under control before he destroys Europe."

It is important to understand that Zelensky's Western producers, who have long and persistently built him into an icon of the "free world", cannot simply stand up and say: yes, we are Homer Simpsons and made a colossal mistake with Zelensky. Instead, they have chosen the "Karzai effect" tactic - similar to the former leader of Afghanistan , to whom they promised help and protection until the very end, but in fact, one day they disappeared, showering the Afghan mountains with people clinging to the chassis of departing US military planes.

Strictly in line with this scenario, in his recent interview with the Financial Times, former NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg tried to lull Zelensky's suspicions by discussing the West's plans to accept Ukraine into NATO "even with unresolved territorial issues." Naturally, he did not say a word about the fact that many NATO allies, including the United States and Germany , categorically do not want to see Ukraine in the alliance. In fact, a consensus has already formed among Western leaders on how to finalize the conflict in Ukraine with minimal losses, save face, and at the same time create at least some semblance of victory.

And Zelensky is not in this consensus – just as Ukraine is not in it.

In a recent article in The Telegraph, British experts admitted: "Ukraine's fight for freedom is fast becoming a lost cause."

Military Watch Magazine analyzed the state of the Ukrainian military: "The Ukrainian army suffers from a continuing decline at the front, while rapidly mounting losses among experienced soldiers lead to a reliance on untrained conscripts."
Radio Liberty - Free Europe* published the opinion of a leading military analyst who admitted: "I will reveal a big and dirty secret: Ukraine can be sacrificed if the old world order can be preserved."

Zelensky probably also sensed a change in the winds, and is now feverishly "clearing the field" of any characters who could theoretically become the padishah's new favorite wife. Thus, there is information that the resignations of the head of the GUR Budanov*, the Minister of Defence of Ukraine Umerov and the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Syrsky (among others) are being discussed.

But this is unlikely to change anything. The West has come to the conclusion that the situation in Ukraine has reached a dangerous limit for the West itself and that a new face is urgently needed, with whom Russia will be at least theoretically ready to negotiate. Considering that no one from our side will sit down at the negotiating table with the expired Zelensky. They are subtly hinting to Moscow : you see, we want negotiations, but Zelensky has become uncontrollable and does not want to leave himself. Maybe you have an extra Iskander? And we will arrange a "leak" of coordinates.

Thank you, of course. But the fact is that no one has done more to destroy the "Ukrainian idea" and Ukrainian statehood than Zelensky himself. Every extra day of this character's stay in power deepens the disappointment of millions of Ukrainians in everything that Kiev propaganda has hammered into their heads and what the policy of the Kyiv regime has led to. And the further this goes, the stronger the vaccination against Ukrainianism, built on lies, false promises and Russophobia, will be.

Unlike Hitler, who supposedly shot himself, the narcissistic and cowardly Zelensky will be finished off by his own people on orders from the West, attributing it to the Russians.
We can only sincerely regret that a public military court on autumnal Khreshchatyk would have been a good reason for public celebrations.

https://ria.ru/20241006/zelenskiy-1976545051.html

Hole wrote:

Western democracy was a sham.

If elections could change something, they would be forbidden.

During the cold war the American moved their Mediterranean fleet closer to Rome each time there were the Italian elections, in case the communist party (which has been the main opposition party from 1946 till 1991) risked winning the election.

In post soviet Russia, Eltsin lost the 1996 elections (the communist had won those presidential elections), but CIA changed the results so that their drunk puppet could last another term.

The Man is on a roll  

Medvedev:

“Sunday Review

Seven events from the week that haven’t happened yet:

1.Our celebrated skier, Elena Vyalbe, suggested dropping a bomb on London. While this is the right idea, we should resolve the issue thoroughly by sinking the cursed island of Anglo-Saxon dogs.

2.The president of the non-existent country “Latvia,” who wished death upon Russia, broke his arm. Too bad it wasn’t his neck. We’re waiting.

3.The clown-musician from Kyiv announced that soon there will be a “special Ramstein.” Could it be that he will replace Till Lindemann on stage and finally return to his phallic piano?

4.Trump’s timeless classic: “If I had been president, the war in [insert any country] would have been avoided!” If only he had been the leader, pharaoh, shah, khan, sultan, prince, king, or president everywhere over the last 10,000 years!

5.Israel has decided to declare the UN Secretary-General persona non grata. What an idea! All leaders of hostile countries and international organizations should be declared undesirable. Then, no meetings would be necessary, and the problems would solve themselves.

6.Some stinking Kyiv official suggested moving the war to Belarus. Well, then Alexander Lukashenko would have every reason to call on Russia to use the tactical nuclear weapons stationed in Belarus. It would be hard to deny him the pleasure of seeing the lights in Kyiv.

http://7.Volkswagen is planning to close its plants in Germany for the first time. What pleasant news! We’re waiting for the peaceful demise of Mercedes and BMW plants too. Then the circle will be complete!”

LMFS wrote:It may be actually bad if the prototype included RAM/RAS representative of the final version, of which abundant samples could be recovered after the crash, so Russia would have been right in not using it in a prototype overflying enemy territory. We will probably not know about such details anytime soon

If Russia was really worried about it falling into US hands they would have done what the US would have, plonked a bomb or missile on the wreckage.

Russian MoD reporting only 1820 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours

Totally unacceptable and not sure how long it has been since there was a day under 2000 casualties.

The analysis is not on the mark.   The war in Ukria is because of the attempt by the Kiev NATzO stooge regime to carry out a final solution to its ethnic Russian problem.
NATzO was greenlighting this and we had the assembly of over 100,000 Kiev regime troops on the contact line at the start of 2022.   By talking about NATzO expansion,
it makes it sound like this was a case of Russia invading Ukria to stop it from joining NATzO and Ukria was one happy monolithic whole, all eager to join.   The current
war is a continuation of the 2014 civil war in the Donbass.   NATzO is a driving element with its imperial ambitions.   But that is not the immediate cause of the Russian SMO.

For some reason a lot of "pro-Russian" analysts are going along with NATzO narratives but trying to spin them.   This is the wrong approach.   NATzO propaganda needs to be
countered by truth and not some version of NATzO propaganda itself.

JohninMK wrote:

LMFS wrote:It may be actually bad if the prototype included RAM/RAS representative of the final version, of which abundant samples could be recovered after the crash, so Russia would have been right in not using it in a prototype overflying enemy territory. We will probably not know about such details anytime soon

If Russia was really worried about it falling into US hands they would have done what the US would have, plonked a bomb or missile on the wreckage.

According to Cassad's TG, they actually sent a package with Iskander, but only after the Ukrainian team gathered to collect and investigate the drone. The package was successfully received! They are all around.

Prototypes like that are absolutely embedded with lots of transmitters for telemetry purposes.

Go ahead, take them home with you to some lab in Lviv.

Send your old (s)crap to the 'Best and Cheapest Scrapyard in Europe'  

I counted 41 mobile coffins, sorry APC.

Why Kyiv Fantasizes About Attacking Belarus, by Rafael Fakhrutdinov for VZGLYAD. 10.06.2024.

"They want to start a war against Belarus in order to draw in European countries." These are the words that experts use to comment on the statements coming from Kyiv that Ukraine should "transfer the war to Belarus." Is such a scenario really possible? "The Ukrainian Armed Forces will have no chance of success in such an operation," the experts say, and explain why.

Ukraine must "transfer the war to Belarus," Oleg Dunda, a Verkhovna Rada deputy from the Servant of the People party, has called for. "It is absolutely important to transfer the war not only to the territory of the Bryansk and Kursk regions, but also to Belarus," he said , expressing "deep confidence" that the Ukrainian Armed Forces, "entering with relatively small units," will force the Belarusian army to "lay down its arms."

"This is not even confidence, this is knowledge," he said at a conference of the Russian opposition, which is currently taking place in Vilnius. According to him, this will be "a big blow to Moscow's gut." "To show that it does not control these territories. It is not ready to defend these territories. In fact, this is a story a la Prigozhin. The same one," the parliamentarian added.

In response to this, Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev warned in his Telegram channel about the possible use of tactical nuclear weapons in such a scenario. "Some stinking Kiev Dunda suggested moving the war to Belarus. Well, then Alexander Grigoryevich will have every reason to ask Russia to use the TNW deployed in Belarus. And it will be difficult for him to deny the pleasure of looking at the lights in Kiev," he emphasized.

The regional group of troops and forces of Belarus and Russia began to protect the borders of the Union State in the fall of 2022. In addition to the army, aviation and air defense are involved, two joint combat training centers have been opened. The nominal total number of the contingent is about 30 thousand people. In addition, in the summer of 2023, the deployment of Russian tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus was announced.

The Armed Forces of Belarus are quite significant from the point of view of the regional theater of military operations. Their personnel is about 50 thousand people, of which the ground forces are 20-22 thousand military personnel. The armament is a modification of the T-72 tank, Soviet artillery and multiple launch rocket systems, as well as Russian S-400 and Tor air defense systems, and Iskander tactical missile systems. The aviation is represented by the MiG-29, Su-25, Su-27 and Su-30.

As the Vzglyad newspaper wrote , a plan of action has been developed in case of an attack near Moscow and Minsk. According to it, the republic's forces, relying on defensive structures, must withstand the enemy's first attack, and then Russian troops will come to their aid.

It is also worth recalling that a Ukrainian military group of about 14 thousand people is concentrated near the border of Belarus, this was stated by the State Secretary of the Security Council of the Republic Alexander Volfovich. In addition, according to him, a group of up to 17 thousand people has been deployed in Poland "under the pretext of strengthening its security". According to the Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko, Ukraine has more than 120 thousand of its military personnel on the border with Belarus.

Against this backdrop, Minsk is actively  strengthening  its borders: the presence of aviation, anti-aircraft missile and radio-technical troops is being increased, and in early August special forces units were  sent to strengthen the border  . Belarus has the technical capabilities to counter the Western threat, Lukashenko warned.

“In Kyiv they think that the Ukrainian army, hardened in battles with Russia, will be able to carry out a successful operation on the second front and thereby knock out Moscow’s ally.

This is the first goal. The second is to return the focus of international attention from Israel to Kyiv, since Ukraine has recently fallen out of the main agenda,” military expert Mikhail Onufrienko explained the meaning of such statements.

"But the most important thing that the Ukrainian regime has been doing lately is trying to draw the collective West into military action. Zelensky's main task is to somehow internationalize the conflict with Russia. That is why they are now doing this in different areas of the information front. This also includes the initiatives voiced in London to introduce British troops into Ukrainian territory," the analyst recalled.

"If we speak purely from a military-strategic point of view, then this is an absolutely unviable initiative. Ukraine, not having the ability to cope with Russia, wants to get another enemy in the person of Belarus. But the motive here is completely different - they want to start a war against Belarus in order to drag in some European countries," explained Konstantin Sivkov, a full member of the Russian Academy of Rocket and Artillery Sciences.

"However, the West will only get involved in what is happening if Belarus itself starts an offensive against Ukraine. Moreover, for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, it would be a suicidal step to go head-on. Therefore, the Ukrainian command will organize provocations against Belarus, trying to somehow initiate military actions," the interlocutor predicted.

"We see the same thing with Israel and Iran. Israel needed to suffer civilian casualties to justify potential US intervention in the conflict. But Tehran does not give them that. It fires missiles that pass through all Israeli and American missile defense systems and hit the designated targets, but without causing casualties," the speaker drew parallels.

"However, if a number of countries, the same Poland, enter into a direct clash between Belarus and Ukraine, it will not be easy for us. This is a full-fledged second front - with the corresponding involvement of numerous equipment, a large contingent of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

However, we have personnel for a build-up in the south of Belarus, and Ukraine does not. In addition, Warsaw has repeatedly stated that it will enter the war only after Germany," the expert recalled.

"There is another scenario - Europe cuts off all our connections with the Kaliningrad region. And then we will have to break through the Suwalki corridor on the border of Lithuania and Poland.

And there are German units there. And this could also be the beginning of a conflict. But, I repeat, the West clearly sees all these scenarios – and most likely will not support Ukraine in its actions against Belarus,” he concluded.

"Well, Ukraine won't be able to do anything on its own. Of course, the number of Belarusian forces is smaller than Ukraine has in the northern direction. But the Russian army will be transferred to the south of Belarus as quickly as possible, they will be supported by the Aerospace Forces, other types of troops of the Russian Armed Forces. Plus, the tactical nuclear weapons are still there. Therefore, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will have no chance of success in such an operation," Sivkov summed up.

https://vz.ru/world/2024/10/6/1291027.html

Attack Belarus? They would literally have to be suicidal to do that. Other than airstrikes and offensives conducted entirely by Russian forces in 2022, Belarus has been neutral (albeit leaning Russia) since the start of the war. If you engage your troops in Belarus you get tens of thousands of fresh troops and you have most Belarussians at war with you. This means Russo-Belarussian joint offensives. This means your largest remaining forces get eaten up far away from thje main front and it leaves your east and northeast wide open. It does not solve your lack of air power that has plagued you from day one. It doesn't help your armor situation. It doesn't help your logistics. It means, to quote Zelensky that "peace is a lot closer than it looks" because while Poland and the Baltic tards love talking shit, there is no way they invade Belarus as Belarus has Russian forces in it and is safely under the Russian nuclear umbrella. They attack Belarus and the war is over in less than six months, and Shoigu is right on saying the thing will be over in 2025

This appeared yesterday on the press:

Ukrainian MP suggests moving military action to
Belarus, by Valeria Gorodetskaya for VZGLYAD. 10.05.2024.

Ukrainian MP Dunda suggests moving military operations to Belarus.

Verkhovna Rada deputy from the Servant of the People party Oleg Dunda proposed introducing troops into the territory of Belarus in order to deal a “big blow” to Russia.

“It is absolutely important to transfer the war not only to the territory of the Bryansk and Kursk regions, but also to Belarus,” Dunda said at a conference of the “Russian opposition” in Vilnius, RT reports.

In his opinion, the introduction of "relatively small units" into the territory of the neighboring country will lead to the Belarusian army laying down its arms. He added that this would be a "big blow" to Russia.

Earlier, Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko stated that Belarus aspires to peaceful coexistence with Ukraine. He also promised to discuss peace talks on Ukraine with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

https://vz.ru/news/2024/10/5/1290925.html

Kiko wrote:This appeared yesterday on the press:

Ukrainian MP suggests moving military action to
Belarus, by Valeria Gorodetskaya for VZGLYAD. 10.05.2024.

Ukrainian MP Dunda suggests moving military operations to Belarus.

Verkhovna Rada deputy from the Servant of the People party Oleg Dunda proposed introducing troops into the territory of Belarus in order to deal a “big blow” to Russia.

“It is absolutely important to transfer the war not only to the territory of the Bryansk and Kursk regions, but also to Belarus,” Dunda said at a conference of the “Russian opposition” in Vilnius, RT reports.

In his opinion, the introduction of "relatively small units" into the territory of the neighboring country will lead to the Belarusian army laying down its arms. He added that this would be a "big blow" to Russia.

Earlier, Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko stated that Belarus aspires to peaceful coexistence with Ukraine. He also promised to discuss peace talks on Ukraine with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

https://vz.ru/news/2024/10/5/1290925.html

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Relatively small units will cause Belarus to lay down its arms? Ummm, in what way does that work? You mean like in Kursk where you got an area about the size of Chicago before getting your ass whipped? Is everyone in the Zelensky regime high on cocaine? Also, lets keep in mind what Luka said. His aspiration for peaceful coexistence means he doesn't want to fight. I do believe him on this. However, this isn't because his government is weak. Its because he is doing what governments around the world should be doing, trying to end this war as soon as possible without the cost of more lives. You invade his country and I assure you that he will have no problem with Russian forces rolling the Ukrainians out and committing his own forces to the war. The people in Kiev, DC, Paris, Warsaw, and London must be doing some hell of a drug to think this has a chance

good news great news, bad news - quality of vid is kinda disappointing

Iskander destroys container ship with Ukrainian Armed Forces ammunition in Odessa region

Russian Defense Ministry shows footage of attack on weapons ship near Odessa. Russian military personnel eliminated a container ship with ammunition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) in the port of Yuzhny in Odessa Oblast using the Iskander-M missile system . The corresponding footage was published by the Russian Defense Ministry on October 6.

"The Iskander-M missile system of the Russian Armed Forces launched a missile strike on the unloading site of a container ship with ammunition in the Yuzhny port in the village of Noviye Belyary in the Odessa region," the department said in a statement.

It is noted that the strike was carried out during unloading, which is why the footage shows the detonation of ammunition that was delivered from Europe.

Earlier that day, it was reported that drone operators from the Sever group destroyed combat drones of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Kharkiv region.

https://iz.ru/1770303/2024-10-06/vs-rf-unichtozhili-iskanderom-sudno-s-boepripasami-vsu-v-portu-odesskoi-oblasti

ucmvulcan wrote:

Relatively small units will cause Belarus to lay down its arms? Ummm, in what way does that work? You mean like in Kursk where you got an area about the size of Chicago before getting your ass whipped? Is everyone in the Zelensky regime high on cocaine? Also, lets keep in mind what Luka said.  His aspiration for peaceful coexistence means he doesn't want to fight.  

yes

Broski wrote:.....
All things considered, I'm quite impressed they managed to find 300 Ukrainians in Poland stupid enough to go back to f̶i̶g̶h̶t̶  die.

Those 300 probably didn't read the paper before signing

LMFS wrote:....
It may be actually bad if the prototype included RAM/RAS representative of the final version, of which abundant samples could be recovered after the crash, so Russia would have been right in not using it in a prototype overflying enemy territory. We will probably not know about such details anytime soon

RAM coating is the only thing you can salvage from the wreckage like this one so it's all good

Engine was placeholder one and electronics seems to be pulverized

I counted 41 mobile coffins, sorry APC.

Russian companies collecting scrap metal will make a fortune after the SMO.

However, if a number of countries, the same Poland, enter into a direct clash between Belarus and Ukraine, it will not be easy for us.

The opposite is true. If Poland would be so stupid to join the Banderites in such an operation, "Belarussian" troops will be free to hit the NATO bases
inside Poland.

Russian General Announces Completion of Ugledar Cleanup, 10.06.2024.

Deputy Commander of the Vostok Group Announces Completion of the Cleanup of Ugledar.

General Grekov called Ugledar a "tough nut to crack." According to him, the cleanup of the city is over, artillery is striking at retreating units of the Ukrainian army. About 100 civilians remain in the city, where more than 10,000 used to live.

In Ugledar, which has been under Russian control since October 3, the cleanup has been completed, said Lieutenant General Roman Grekov, deputy commander of the Vostok group. The Defense Ministry showed footage from the city.

According to him, Ugledar “was a tough nut to crack during two years of fighting.”

"Ugledar is ours, the units have finished clearing the city, the artillery continues to inflict fire damage on the retreating enemy. <...> The enemy has set up multi-echelon lines and positions here, both on the approaches to the city and directly in the residential area. There are underground communications. Everything had to be taken by fighting, by storm. But the surprise of the actions was achieved, which ensured success," Grekov said.

All those who planned and carried out the operation to capture Ugledar will be nominated for awards, he said.

Vuhledar is located 60 km southwest of Donetsk at the junction of the DPR and Zaporizhia Oblast. It is on a hill. CNN wrote that it was considered "an important bastion at the intersection of the eastern and southern fronts" of the Ukrainian Armed Forces due to the presence of strong defensive positions and its location near a fork in the road.

https://www.rbc.ru/politics/06/10/2024/6702b6a79a79474f8ae17c5e

ucmvulcan wrote:  The people in Kiev, DC, Paris, Warsaw, and London must be doing some hell of a drug to think this has a chance

Please, let them do that, so that Russia has an easy excuse to come all the (short) way down from Belarus to Kiev and finish this circus for good...

PapaDragon wrote:
RAM coating is the only thing you can salvage from the wreckage like this one so it's all good

Engine was placeholder one and electronics seems to be pulverized

Then engine is the good old AL-41F1 in non AB version, the electronics without source code close to useless. I would imagine coatings are either not there or older, non representative versions. But I am not sure, maybe they fucked up with that... no way of knowing