Russian special military operation in Ukraine #61

Isos wrote:
By definition nuclear explosion would release radioactive materials and would be detected by sensors.

Russian Perimetr system has such sensors and would detect it and launch a nuclear attack if activated.

So no, it was not a nuk.

Perimeter only takes over when the system is unable to contact stavka. The sensitivity can also be adjusted to reject stuff like nuclear accidents, volcanic explosions, meteor impacts, industrial explosions, etc.

Anyone who cites Korobochka is as retarded as he is - backman, what say you?

Arkanghelsk wrote:Anyone who cites Korobochka is as retarded as he is - backman, what say you?

I'm Filipino. You're probably right.

ucmvulcan wrote:
My only issue with this is that a tactical nuke would be detected in Moscow and it would give Putin the go ahead to incinerate NATO.  

Yes that is definitely no tactical nuclear explosion!

It was certainly a BIG bang but I think it was not even close to the Beirut explosion of around 300 tons - which ranks at number 6 in terms of the largest non-nuclear explosion ever at 0.8kt. The largest is apparently the Halifax explosion of 1917 at 2.9kt.

The problem with online couch experts is that they have an infinite imagination, easy access to Wikipedia and gimp/photoshop/paint

Anyone can draw up anything and claim anything. Reality is a whole lot different.

Nukes produce radiation. There are satellites that can easily pick up radiation levels, let alone ground based sensors. This would be seen even outside of Russia and lots of people would be panicking.

The fact that nothing came of it, is clear indication that these "online experts" are nothing but a bunch of losers. I feel bad for them, but I feel equally bad for those who quote them or even care what they say.

Haven't you guys worked it out yet... the west repeatedly makes stupid mistakes and Putin capitalises on them by doing things that improve the situation of Russia for Russians and push forward global change to remove the US and the west from controlling international organisations and structures.... you know... things like BRICS+.

If the Ukraine had used a nuclear weapon why would Russia keep that quiet... it would confirm that Kiev is the problem and an international war criminal and needed to be sanctioned and dealt with.

Making such an obvious and horrible mistake would not be hidden by Putin, it would be too useful to the war effort of showing who the nazis are.

If the west used nukes, well that could only be possible for a few of the countries within HATO and using a nuclear weapon on Russian territory would be an unambiguous act of war that could not be ignored.

Claims this was a nuke is amusing and reminds me that claims of nukes being used to bring down the twin towers and other such nonsense... a claim is nothing without rather substantial proof.

This claim lacks a lot of proof... an explosion in an ammo depot... well that sort of thing happens all the time... but why would a nuke be needed.

Many were also claiming the only way to destroy those Nord Stream pipes was with a nuke and the same problems apply... and even more so in this case.... you would need a nuke to destroy an HQ where most things might be flammable but one hit with conventional munitions is not going to take out en entire base... so you either use dozens of missiles or a nuke.

This was an ammo depot... open air storage of obsolete munitions means you just need something to set them off... they provide their own boom.

The North stream pipe was damaged along many meters . A normal explosive only makes a hole . Need a lot of explosives to damage a long length of pipe . Pointless going through the trouble , since that section of pipe has to be replaced anyway . Same level of repair needed . The escaping pressurised natural gas , does not burn or explode under the water . The rupture of pipe itself , does not cause an explosive event . The size of explosions was like small Earth quake ! So could have been nuclear . Why nuclear ? Well send a message !

The size of explosion in ammo depot was large and singular , unlike other ammo depot , others look like fireworks , cooking at different times . Like the Beirut event , everything went up suddenly , as if subject to extreme heat . A couple of craters , very large , are outside the bunkers . Nuclear strikes in both cases are possible . But if so , then NO government will publish or make public such information . Doing so , will force their hand in a nuclear retaliation . Something they want to avoid . All of a sudden we have a " failed , " Russian ICBM Rocket launch . All of a sudden , we have a " publicised , " Chinese ICBM test launch into Pacific . Why ?

@Nomadski

No radiation was reported. So no nuclear explosion. In South Africa we have a huge mining sector where they use explosives to brake the soil and the rocks holding the deposits. The way that they do it is to drill hundreds of holes into the rock surface - each filled with plastic explosives - to detonate mostly as one large explosion. They most likely did the same thing with Nord Stream by placing several explosives along the line.  

Also of interest was two devastating accidental explosions that happened in South Africa. The one happened in Johannesburg (Braamfontein) when 60 tons was detonated in a train accident in 1896. All the surrounding suburbs was destroyed leaving a huge crater!

A much larger explosion occurred in 1932, when a train carrying over 300 tons of dynamite for mining purposes exploded and flattened the small town of Leeudoringstad in South Africa.

I think there is a general underestimation here of what damage a nuclear explosion will do - even  a small tactical one, where the explosive power will look somewhat similar to the Beirut explosion.

The lucky ones that will get caught in the shockwave will also experience heat that is equal to the temperature at the centre of the sun. Fortunately they will have no-chance of surviving the blast. The biggest problem for living beings will be the radiation and fall-out that follows. You may feel fine at first, but it won't take long before things gets real ugly inside your body. You will die a painful death eventually.

Larger or a series of nuclear explosions will have more of the same - with the emphases on MORE! Those that survive a major exchange will not only get cancer, but they will die of starvation as the nuclear winter will make sure that there will be no meaningful harvest on planet earth for at least 10 years.

Arrow wrote:

Interestingly, the Russians in the 70s or 80s created an ultra-pure thermonuclear charge for peaceful use of nuclear charges. For mining and mineral crushing. The charge was based on 99.85% thermonuclear fusion. They even supposedly reduced the emission of thermonuclear neutrons very much. The power of the charge was 150 kT with residual nuclear radiation. It was basically a pure thermonuclear charge. Sorry for the off-topic.

Fortunately these developments have been stopped. The 150kt explosion in Russia obviously still caused radiation at the site (100x more than normal) and some of it escaped and crossed into Japan from Kazakhstan!

There were much smaller explosions successfully used to kill a major gas fire in the 60's. These were small underground explosions that imploded the gas wells to extinguish a major gas fire that lasted for years until nuclear explosions was used! No subsequent radiation leaks were discovered.

Ukraine has been brought to slaughter, by Victoria Nikiforova for RiaNovosti. 09.25.2024.

Yesterday Zelensky spoke at the UN General Assembly, tomorrow he meets with Biden to present him with his "victory plan". But no matter what these figures think of themselves, the fate of Ukraine, the United States and the entire world is not being decided in New York today.

All decisions on this topic are made by the soldiers and officers of the Russian army, which is inexorably and unstoppably advancing forward. Populated areas in the Kursk region are returning under our control: more than 260 of our citizens have just been liberated in the Korenevsky district . At the same time, the most combat-ready, elite units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces are being liquidated there.

Our advance in Donbass does not stop either, the Russian military machine crushes any resistance of the enemy, forcing soldiers to desert and surrender en masse. Every day on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR, warehouses with ammunition and equipment burn, personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine perish, airfields and railways are attacked, energy infrastructure is consistently and systematically destroyed.

Any military professional can see where this is leading. "The Ukrainians are simply running" - this is how an American military expert describes the situation at the front.

Ukraine's inevitable defeat is visible to the naked eye. So, that's why Zelensky said in New York that "peace is closer than we think"? No, the KVN player has a different plan: having lost himself, he wants to drag NATO, led by the US, into a war against Russia.

That's why he's running around with his "victory plan" over Russia. According to this note, the White House should give Nezalezhnaya not just a lot, but a lot of money, provide modern weapons, guarantee the Kyiv regime security, and also allow it to strike our territory with American missiles. Zelensky carries around a whole list of targets, pretending that they are all purely military.

However, the Kiev junta has repeatedly stated that its task is "to make things bad for Russians." Therefore, we clearly understand: the target of international terrorists will be all of us - residents of Moscow and St. Petersburg, Kursk and Belgorod, hundreds of large and small cities in Russia.

Do the Americans want to look like bloody terrorists in the eyes of the world community? That's the question. But even if they have completely given up on their reputation, they continue to tremble for their own skin. Russia's response could be extremely painful, and our opponents are especially afraid of its unpredictability. Asymmetric strategies are our strong point.

At the moment, the United States is panicky afraid of the transfer of Russian missiles, including hypersonic ones, to the Yemeni Houthis. Because they will gladly strike American aircraft carriers with them - and we will see if this miracle of technology is really so invulnerable.

Another source of panic is fear for underwater cables, damage to which could lead to power outages, internet outages, mobile communications outages, and general chaos for days. Cyberwarfare is also a thing: if a summer Windows glitch broke ATMs and disrupted train and plane schedules, what would happen if a full-scale attack was launched on vital areas?

All these fears are openly voiced in the American press. However, for some reason journalists forget to mention Russian submarines, which, completely unexpectedly for our enemies, could appear at any point in the World Ocean.

We can also remind the Americans of the brilliant Operation Anadyr, which involved the transfer of our nuclear weapons to Cuba. In general, there really is something to be afraid of there. Moreover, at the moment, Russia's strongest weapon is precisely the uncertainty of the threat. Where it will fly, when, what it will look like - the less you can calculate the danger, the more terrible it is.

Slipping between the streams, pretending that the Americans did not give permission to strike Russia, and that the Ukrainians are doing everything themselves, will not work either. Putin specifically noted that intelligence and target designation are carried out by the Americans and other representatives of NATO countries. Therefore, our response - whatever it may be - will fly precisely at the Western masters of Kyiv. Today, they are not even trying to hide their fear.

Will attacks on our people force us to surrender? No, it will be the other way around. The entire course of Ukrainian aggression has been reduced to such shocking blows, from which, in theory, we should have surrendered long ago. But brutal terrorist attacks only unite us and strengthen the understanding that we must fight seriously and to the end - until our land issue with the West is resolved.

For each such attack - be it strikes on Sevastopol or Belgorod, an attack on the Kursk region or a terrorist attack on the Crocus - Russia responds by moving the front to the west. For the entire two and a half years of the SVO, the Russians have been saving their soldiers and winning in the minority. Therefore, Ukraine's mobilization reserve is close to being exhausted, while in this sense we have an order of magnitude advantage.

President Putin explained that permission to strike on Russian territory would mean NATO states entering a war with our country. But how are these guys who have never smelled gunpowder going to fight us?

NATO tried to use Ukraine as a training ground for modern warfare. Paradoxically, they trained the Russian army in this way. Not immediately, but we mastered the most advanced technologies and methods of warfare and at the same time preserved our enormous mobilization potential and fired up the military-industrial complex, without ruining our economy.

The European NATO countries have none of this: no skills and experience in a modern large-scale war, no unified defense complex, no strong, growing economy. Any escalation leads them to an unpleasant fork in the road - either a severe crisis for their states, or total destruction. Whatever Russia's response, it will be fatal for them.

So in a sense the comedian is right: "Peace is closer than we think." It's just that the path to it lies through the defeat of Ukraine. The Americans have been leading this unfortunate territory to slaughter for a long time and have almost done so. Now they have an alternative - to surrender the Kyiv junta or die with it. Not a very good choice, frankly speaking.

https://ria.ru/20240925/ukraina-1974479605.html

and the absence of internal shocks,

Maybe he should take a look at american TV. 

Russian MoD reporting 2390 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours including;

During the day, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than 300 military personnel and seven armored vehicles, including three tanks, two German-made Leopard tanks, an infantry fighting vehicle and three armored combat vehicles, as well as two artillery pieces and six vehicles.

In total, during the fighting in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost more than 17,000 troops, 130 tanks, 62 infantry fighting vehicles, 95 armored personnel carriers, 812 armored combat vehicles, 514 vehicles, 138 artillery pieces, 31 multiple rocket launchers, including eight HIMARS and six MLRS manufactured by the United States, eight anti-aircraft launchers missile systems, five transport-loading vehicles, 35 electronic warfare stations, eight counter-battery radars, two air defense radars, 18 units of engineering and other equipment, of which 11 engineering barrier vehicles, one UR-77 mine clearance unit, as well as an armored recovery vehicle.

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12530529@egNews

sepheronx wrote:
Nukes produce radiation.  There are satellites that can easily pick up radiation levels, let alone ground based sensors.  This would be seen even outside of Russia and lots of people would be panicking.

Except nobody beyond a few autists gives a shit lol.

Most people can`t tell a tank from a humvee, you think they are going to recognize what a nuke is. No, they would just defer to the "experts".

Backman wrote:Has there been an official statement from the Russian govt on the Toropets strike yet ? I am skeptical of the official story. 

The damage looks on the small tactical nuke level. It completely vaporized a thick green forest. 
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You now sound like those retards who were saying that Beirut blast was Israeli nuke....

Looks like Zelinsky is not going to meet Biden, plus

House Speaker Mike Johnson said he is not sure he will be able to meet with Zelensky on September 26 due to changes in Congress' plans.

Ze will have minimal beautiful photos with representatives of the American establishment following the visit. Judging by Trump's rhetoric, he also "shaved" the Kyiv guest.

The question remains open as to what Zelensky and his British cover in the person of Yermak are ready to do to organize another round of escalation in the current conditions. Judging by Zelensky's statement about Russia preparing strikes on three Ukrainian nuclear power plants, they have certain plans.

Gamel
@_agnasser
They pushed this idiot to fight Russia till the last Ukrainian. He has almost accomplished that assigned task. Now they don’t even want to meet him. A lesson for all American puppets.

Arrow wrote:

Later in the article they added the carrier aircraft. About 500 F-18 and 200 F-35. In the current era of hypersonic cruise missiles, carrier aircraft are becoming very vulnerable to the actions of an advanced adversary. One sunken CVN also means huge losses in aviation. Besides, in the case of Russia, these planes will not be able to approach the theater of operations. They will dive deep first.

A Carrier is now, with the advent of large ballistic missiles, one of the most significant single points of failure there is in the military. Straight through and explode under the hull.

ALAMO wrote:Our Big Bang Putin Must Go theorists reminded me of one thing.

There is a thing called Lochnagar Crater.
It is the biggest relict of the WWI, made after the Brits have detonated the biggest mine set in a whole war.
It was July 1st 1916, the first day of the bloody Somme battle.

This is what it looks like :



To this day, even considering the 110 years of erosion, it still measures 90+ m in diameter and 20+ m in depth.

It was made by a detonation of two mines with 16 and 11 tons of ammonal.

Nuclear my ass

Its an underground explosion.

Only nukes can cause such massive craters without penetrating the soil.

a practical example:
Next time your at the beach, dont just oggle at the bitches, do this little experiment and have your friends bury your hand with about a foot of sand cover.

Try to punch your hand out. Difficult but doable right?

Now try to punch through the sand to the same depth that your hand was buried in. impossible.

same idea