Russian special military operation in Ukraine #62

mnztr wrote:
100% right, they need to lauch missiles with Russian markings at the US base in Syria. a single Iskander. if they don't more and larger strikes will follow as surely as the sun rise. Either that or blow some US and NATO drones out of the sky over the black sea.

The drone idea is a good one in principle. We haven't heard much about drones in the Black Sea lately but I assume they're still flying around. However they should be costly enough that their loss will be felt. I assume they're flying Global Hawks or Tritons around there.

At the risk of falling into a trap discussion with people that do not want to reason: Russia will take the steps that are necessary to keep the dynamics of the conflict with the West on the path that benefits them. Means, the West can try any kind of underhanded tricks, to which Russia will and indeed responds in kind but in a limited scale, all while time stays on their side, progressively grinding down both the finances of the hegemon and the available meat at their proxies. With the current dynamics, Russia just needs to stay in curse and not allow provocations to distract them, like the current one, where an administration on their way out is pathetically trying to leave the following one no room to change policy re. 404. Putin explicitly stated the measures to be taken will be derived from the kind of threats created for Russia, means, they will not start WWIII because of one shitty leaker. What matters long term is the high momentum state policies set in motion with each escalatory step taken by the West and the corresponding payback that will come as a consequence. This game is not played short term for insecure dickheads to feel immediate satisfaction. But the consequences will be felt in due time and will not go away quickly.

Russia is just a country of big mouthed cucks. Redline my ass. Hopefully one of those missiles lands in Moscow.

Cut the crap and silly talk.
Concentrate on the main objectives:
- De-militarize Ukraine: Destroy their army and combat potential
- Liberate the remaining parts of the new territories that are still under Kiev regime rule
- De-nazify Ukraine: Destroy energy generating plants, infrastructure, factories. Smash living standards in Ukraine and let the impoverished and job-less Ukrainians reconsider their allegiances to the regime and the West.

All of the above are being systematically done.
Talks will start after the above are completed.
ATACMS and others are mere distractions.

mnztr wrote:
I think VVP was quite clear no? if this happens he no longer considers it a proxy attack, as there is significant involvement of the USA in this type of attack, ergo Russia can just launch an Iskandar in Syria to strike the US base.

And ?   He has been drawing red lines and NATO consistently called him out.    From the start the way this war has been fought  is pure incompetence due to the leadership.  That Russian paid in equipment and worse of all in blood.  And now NATO is going to be targeting the Russian rear in place they didn't before and go after Russian infrastructure.

And the result if the leadership doesn't act  will be a bill of even more dead Russians, a destroyed infrastructure and a potential economic collaps. Because this sure as **** ain't gonna help Russia's economy. And if Russia does achieve a victory it will be pyric one.    There is of course another possibility is that Putin will except whatever deal Trump gives him.  Which of course won't be worth a damn especially after all the cost.

I'm fucking glad i gave up my Russian passport now.   The fact every goddamn liberal and oligarch wasn't hung by the balls 13 years ago.   Back then deep  down I knew there was no hope for the nation.     The fucking Russian leadership and elite for the most part continued to **** the entire country and keep doing so.   Still doesn't make this so frustrating and maddening.  


Goddammit don't they understand this isn't Ukraine vs Russia. But NATO vs Russia with Ukrainians being the tool to Bludgeon Russia to death ?   This is do or die.     Because death is what's coming.

Krepost wrote:Cut the crap and silly talk.
Concentrate on the main objectives:
- De-militarize Ukraine: Destroy their army and combat potential
- Liberate the remaining parts of the new territories that are still under Kiev regime rule
- De-nazify Ukraine: Destroy energy generating plants, infrastructure, factories. Smash living standards in Ukraine and let the impoverished and job-less Ukrainians reconsider their allegiances to the regime and the West.

All of the above are being systematically done.
Talks will start after the above are completed.
ATACMS and others are mere distractions.

Good luck doing that with you're rear being destroyed along with the infrastructure that barely and in some areas not at all can cope with supplying your army.

sepheronx wrote:what areas are the Russian MiC having trouble coping with supplying Russian forces?

Well, for one Russian troops have been doing assaults with a fucking UAZ 452 for **** sake !  What does that tell you ?    There are areas of course where the Russian MIC thus far did a good job.   Missile and drone production.   Ballistic missile production will be also scaled up tremendously in the next year or 2ish.

sepheronx wrote:Also, what has been destroyed by ATACMS?

Thus far nothing that isn't that critical.   But to come especially  with NATO emboldened and supplying longer range missiles ?

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Drones are just eating up vehicles left and right in the war, remember in Kursk like 9/10 new BTRs got knocked out right away in their first offensive.

Its impossible to keep up with supply and demand when drones just eat up the supply in a day. So you will have areas where some people are short even worse for ukraine there tho

Don't get me wrong the Russians are still fighting this war like its 1800 and there is some gentlemen code and that's punishing them hard and well deserved, if they want to fight the war like this, they get the repercussions of it

And i can bet you the soviet would have coped with such rate of loses.    Because really if taking  one single Russian Tank plant  and compare the Russian rate of production.   The figures are laughable especially seeing as the Soviet weren't even doing 24 hour shift.   I bet you with IFV' and APC's it would be the same.

sepheronx wrote:Ive seen Russia use pretty much anything and everything for troop movement.  I haven't seen that UAZ you speak of though.  Ive seen tons of old soviet trucks.  I guess maybe if Russia cannot produce large amounts of Urals and Kamaz, maybe purchasing more from China, Iran and NK in order to help in increase productions.  I recall there being new production plants opened up for engines and what not for Kamaz.

Well, there have been unfortunately. I don't care to hunt for them right now. Yeah, trucks is another area. And Kamaz ? Don't believe the Dakar hype. Their trucks are well disliked in the military for reliability and build quality of shit. It's unfortunate and a big soviet blunder in raising Kamaz at expense of ZIL. Speaking of let's not forget Kamaz used a lot of import components and despite a decade or so back being told to cut that shit off. Guess what happened ?

sepheronx wrote:
Russia so far handled 6 ATACM's missile launches perfectly with only 1 causing some damage due to fact that debris (warhead debris is still massive issue), caused a fire.

Anyway, Russia launched Iskanders so far and 1 hit Sumy causing massive explosion.  So they hit something big.

Yeah, but we both know NATO is going to escalate this further and further.

Robert.V wrote:


And i can bet you the soviet would have coped with such rate of loses.    Because really if taking  one single Russian Tank plant  and compare the Russian rate of production.   The figures are laughable especially seeing as the Soviet weren't even doing 24 hour shift.   I bet you with IFV' and APC's it would be the same.

Russian Tank and armored vehicles plants are far beyond the 300km range of the ATACMS.
Advice to you kiddo: Read more, post less.

WHOA the resident NAziTO C*CKSUCKER TROLLS are out in Full Force!

sepheronx wrote:

Robert.V wrote:


And i can bet you the soviet would have coped with such rate of loses.    Because really if taking  one single Russian Tank plant  and compare the Russian rate of production.   The figures are laughable especially seeing as the Soviet weren't even doing 24 hour shift.   I bet you with IFV' and APC's it would be the same.

You are comparing apples and oranges though since Soviet plants included those from all the republics.

I said compare to one of the plants.    Not all of them.  

Look at the numbers in the mid 80's and that's also not taking into account they build other shit besides tanks.

Krepost wrote:

Robert.V wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Drones ... the repercussions of it

And i can bet you the soviet would have coped with such rate of loses.    Because really if taking  one single Russian Tank plant  and compare the Russian rate of production.   The figures are laughable especially seeing as the Soviet weren't even doing 24 hour shift.   I bet you with IFV' and APC's it would be the same.

Russian Tank and armored vehicles plants are far beyond the 300km range of the ATACMS.
Advice to you kiddo: Read more, post less.

Because surely NATO will just leave it at that and won't transfer longer range missiles.    

PhSt wrote:WHOA the resident NAziTO C*CKSUCKER TROLLS are out in Full Force!

God i forgot half this forum is full of retards.     No wonder TR1 left.    Gaz, old friend i wish you cleaned this place up  from such idiots.


And I wish you had paid more attention to my warning about posting conversations. I can't possibly make such warnings and then ignore what I said because that would make me look weak and we can't have everyone thinking I am Putin. Four day ban and that is number one.  GarryB.  I don't like banning anyone.

sepheronx wrote:ah, i see what you mean.

Well, you gotta take into consideration that 1 plant used a massive work force.  Now their work force is nowhere near the amount it used to be and a lot has been done through automation of some sort.

Also, take into consideration the supply of parts and materials.  USSR had a massive supply of materials and parts from multiple sources.  That too has been reduced over time.  Still a lot of apples and oranges.  The ore of the iron made into the steel isn't all done in Uralvagonzavod.

Sure, the work force isn't there.  And that's a big minus.  Partially due to the 90's and everyone and their mother studying econ instead of you know actual jobs and fields worth a damn.


But the thing also is Uralvagonzavod  used to be  highly automated.  This days from the looks of it. Not so.  Like for example. Back in the Soviet days welding was done both for the hull and the turret almost entirely by automatic welding.(Something that soviets did very early on)  

Now it seems to be done by hand welding.  I don't know if there was   some kind a agreement with the Americans that took out the machinery to do so or  perhaps due to dissolution of Soviet Union supply chains for supporting such capability withered away and never replaced.

I don't know.   But it's just sad to see.



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More so then any of you're retarded post i'm sure. If all you're post are of such low quality and frankly down right retarded thus far.

sepheronx wrote:No, you seem to have it wrong.

There is far more automation now than before, because those robotics didn't exist then.  Sorry, its an actual fact.  I have known people who actually worked at such facilities and never once have they mentioned any kind of robotics back in the 80's to assist.  So it may be some kind of false memory of yours.  Uralvagonzavod has AutoCNC's that never existed then and most of the old milling equipment that isn't automated, has been removed.

It has entirely to do with supply of parts now only really local to Russia.  Especially now that these tank designs are far more advanced than Soviet times.

Welding automation was a thing even during WWII and evolved decade after decade within SU at least. Which kind a where the pioneers.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Welding-the-hull-of-the-T-34-tank-with-an-automatic-welding-installation-at-the-Ural-Tank_fig8_349484568

ucmvulcan wrote:What else can Putin do right now? He and Lavrov have both said, "**** around and find out." If the ATACM continues to hit nothing and not change anything, Putin is not going to overreact.  If there is serious damage to their infrastructure then NATO will find out.  Putin is not going to incinerate the planet when he gets Trump in a couple months.  IF Trump is more sane, reasonable, and intelligent than Biden Harris then Nazilensky doesn't get any more toys and Russia wins the war.  If Trump continues the same old shit? We'll be a lot closer to the find out part than we have been in decades.

Despite my rhetoric, I'm in favor of a cautious approach when dealing with NAziTO escalation, right now a lot of Pooch are making noise about the recent ATACM strikes in Bryansk, although the damage seems minimal, this is NAziTO trying to test how Russia would react. Its important for Russia to PUNISH NAziTO severely, but not with an outright nuke strike, perhaps sabotaging undersea cables and providing the Houthis with more advanced anti ship missiles and drones to SINK NAziTO vessels in the Red sea will be a good first step. Striking US bases in the middle east via proxies is also a good option.

Honestly, I feel bad for normal and sane Americans like yourself, but your Government and the Cabal that runs it from the shadows is a Malevolent Entity that deserves to be Destroyed.

sepheronx wrote:

Robert.V wrote:
Welding automation was a thing even during WWII and evolved decade after decade within SU at least.  Which kind a where the pioneers.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Welding-the-hull-of-the-T-34-tank-with-an-automatic-welding-installation-at-the-Ural-Tank_fig8_349484568

Yeah, they still have assisted welding.  Most components of welding is done in separate parts.  Assembly is a different matter.

Automation increased significantly due to autoCNC's and that is really the most known and best form of automation.  The rest is classified as assisted.

Makes sense indeed, that the footage they've show was of later stage of assembly.

While the TROLLS are in Full Whinning Mode, Russia continues its advance into NAziTO territory  

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/130556