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‘We’re just as frightened as we used to be’: Aussies grow weary of China relations
Australians are growing increasingly weary of China, with a new study revealing Aussies are more fearful of the Asian superpower than its Taiwanese neighbors.

As tensions build between China and other parts of the world, new data reveals Australians fear the east Asian country more than their Taiwanese counterparts, despite their close proximity.

Research by the Australia Institute compared the two nations’ feelings towards China in regards to the country’s aggressiveness, likelihood to attack and whether each nation believes they’re ready to go to war with China, among other areas of inquiry.

The results were obtained via two surveys commissioned by the Australia Institute between August 13 and 16 this year, just over a week after US Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi visited Taiwan.

Participants of the study included 1003 adult Australians and 1002 adult Taiwanese.

The Australia Institutes international and security affairs program director Allan Behm said the surveys were conducted to see if the Taiwanese and Australian viewpoints towards China changed post Ms Pelosi’s controversial visit.

“We’ve done one of these surveys before … so we were just interested in seeing whether after the Pelosi visit, the comparative attitudes of Taiwanese and Australians changed,” Mr Behm told news.com.au.

But to the former senior foreign affairs, attorney-general and defence official’s surprise, Australians continue to remain more scared of China than the Taiwanese.

“I was actually hoping that Australians were less frightened of China after a change of government but it would appear that we’re just as frightened as we used to be, and still much more frightened than the Taiwanese who actually live right next door,” Mr Behm said.

Australians believe there’s a higher chance China will attack their country opposed to the number of Taiwanese who think China will strike Taiwan.

There’s a 3 per cent rise in the number of Australians who think China will launch an attack on the country soon, in comparison to last year’s results.

Meanwhile, 85 per cent of Australians regard China as aggressive compared to 80 per cent of Taiwanese giving their neighbours the same term.

And a quarter of Australian participants believe China will attack Taiwan soon, while just 5 per cent of Taiwanese think China, which shares their maritime boundary, will soon attack Taiwan.

While Mr Behm made it clear that he doesn’t blame the media, he said news sources, social media and the former government’s views could be the reason why Australians are so fearful of the Asian country.

“I think it’s a tribute to the power of the Australian media, and that’s reflecting the megaphone diplomacy of the previous government really, in sort of trumpeting fear of China and the public pick it up and say, ‘Well, if the government thinks that we should be afraid of it, then let’s be afraid of it,’” he said.

However, in Taiwan, Mr Behm thinks the attitude is different due to their understanding of Chinese culture and historic ties with the country, as the Taiwanese know how China’s society and government operates.

“(The Taiwanese) don’t see themselves as a separate sovereign nation because they’re not, but they do understand themselves to be part of that long sweep of Chinese historical culture, and so I think because of that they have a much better understanding of how things are done,” he said.

The data also revealed that men and women have a varied attitude towards China, with 28 per cent of Australian men saying the country would successfully win a war against the Republic of China (PRC), compared to just 14 per cent of women.

“The men are all up there chest thumping, believing that you know, we could win a war,” Mr Behm said. “But the women are very, much more sceptical … and I reckon women know a hell of a lot more about the consequences.”

There’s also a contrast in attitudes between older and younger Australian survey respondents, with those older than 40 years old having more faith in Australia defending itself against China without international assistance compared to those younger than 39 years old.

While the Australia Institute didn’t test why this skew in results occurred, Mr Behm made a logical guess that it could do with the younger generation having a higher chance of being conscripted to fight in a war, compared to the older generation.

“Young men and women are probably thinking, ‘I’m worried about this because it could impact my life’, whereas older people think ‘I find it difficult to get out of bed … I’m not going to get called up’,” he said.

Outside the survey, Australians appear to generally be more fearful of China and the aspect of a war, with Google search results for the phrase “will China invade Australia 2022” recording a tremendous increase in searches across Australia in the last 12 months.

Additionally, the search term “Taiwan war” was at peak popularity among Australian Google searches between July 31 and August 6, which was around the time Ms Pelosi visited the region, perhaps indicating Aussies are becoming more conscious of the possibility of a war.

Google Trend results also show those living in NSW, Victoria and Queensland appear to be more fearful about the prospect of a war with China, which the results from the Australia Institute study also reflect.

Mr Behm said both parties could take a number of actions to reduce Australians’ China fears.

The Australia Institute director suggested the PRC could start with its government reintroducing Australian correspondent positions to help the two countries communicate.

Rather from an Australian point of view, Mr Behm recommended that Australians put more effort into “understanding our neighbours” better.

This could be through learning a language, appreciating aspects of the Asian culture and to generally become more engaged with the world we inhabit.

“Getting to know (a country) through language is the big window into another society,” Mr Behm said.

The Australia Institute is looking at conducting another survey in a year’s time to see whether Australia’s attitude towards China will change under the Albanese Government.

Because the Pelosi visit to Taiwan occurred during the ASEAN Foreign Ministers’ Meeting in Cambodia, the group was able to quickly release a statement to “reiterate ASEAN Member States’ support for their respective One-China Policy.” Taiwan went entirely unmentioned.

Many ASEAN members also released individual statements, none of which supported Taiwan’s plight. For example, Indonesia called on all parties “to refrain from provocative actions,” adding that it continued to “respect the One China policy.” Singapore hoped “the U.S. and China can work out a modus vivendi, exercise self-restraint and refrain from actions that will further escalate tensions.” Vietnam, a fast-emerging key regional partner of the United States, hewed closely to its past statements, noting, “Vietnam persists in implementing the ‘One China’ principle and hopes relevant parties exercise restraint, refrain from escalating the situation in the Taiwan Strait, and actively contribute to the maintenance of peace and stability.” Malaysia and Thailand made similar statements that refrained from supporting Taiwan.

Across the rest of South Asia, there was no sign of support for Taiwan, only China. Beijing’s “iron brother” Pakistan, for example, spouted Chinese talking points on the importance of “non-interference in internal affairs” of sovereign nations—well-worn code for letting China decide on its plans for Taiwan. Bangladesh, Maldives, Nepal, and Sri Lanka similarly upheld Beijing’s rights in the crisis.

About cheating and stealing and murdering, US people just should close their mouth.

Their land is the graveyard of the genocide of amerindians that they keep persucating even today.

Since early August, the Chinese military has been conducting a series of military exercises along its coast amid rising tensions in the Taiwan Stra

If you are going to die anyway, then why isn't there mutinies happening everywhere ?

If Xi granted a 25 year lease for a naval base in Taiwan for the US, would the US accept that ?

Backman wrote:But China played the waiting game honestly. China did not expect the US to recognize the CCP and dissolve its recognition of Taiwan. It was a demand that they made in negotiation.
They were surprised that the US went for it. But just as the USSR and Russia discovered with Nato, they didn't mean it in good faith.

GarryB wrote:As mentioned... the US thinks war is inevitable but having a war now gives the US more of an advantage than it would in 5 or 10 years time when China is stronger economically and militarily...

Would a US base in the Crimea have changed things... if anything I think it would have accelerated things... I think instead of Donbass and Lugansk fighting Kievs forces alone that with Crimean support even in its state in 2014 Kiev would have had a real civil war going and they would have taken much heavier losses which probably would have led to Russia joining the conflict much earlier.

The Nazis would have had less time to suppress opposition in Odessa and other areas, but it would have been messy.

Of course Putin though said no. Russia's relations with China are between Moscow and Beijing and only Moscow and Beijing. Same as Russia's relations with anyone else

And the Americans of course had the stick argument as well. Namely that if you don't agree, we'll accelerate Ukrainian integration into NATO, maybe give them the go-ahead for a Donbass offensive.

But Russia ended up throwing the chess board and grabbing the initiative.

The US's Schlieffen plan of knocking out Russia quickly and then being able to concentrate resources against China and mob up against it hasn't worked

Instead China is free to reap the benefits of the US-Russia confrontation and continue growing

That's the only move the US has left in the Pacific, and while it doesn't have a great chance of success, doing nothing is a sure way for China to take over and boot America from Asia peacefully.

Yeah I meant a base that China would grant in a negotiation to avoid war now. With a time limit. So if its a 25 year lease, then after the 25 years, Taiwan would become part of China. This doesn't really map onto the Ukraine conflict but for China, it is what they've done before.

Not wrong but the chinese and other nations are making it hard for the US to succeed.

You got a problem Xi.