The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

This pretty much sums up the United Nations:

And the lack of people participation continues...
In mariupol apparently Unarmed pro Kiev forces  ,steelworkers ,cleared the only government building that anti kiev forces had and now none remain other than a few elder people monitoring the place. So it pretty looks like Kiev without much effort can little by little diminish the
territorial control of pro Russian forces to much less that the official size of the zone.

No idea how Can Maiupol people vote in Donetsk referendum when they control nothing in that place. This is so disgusting ,that makes you want to vomit ,of how civilians lack of participation in defending their new Republic. I honestly do not see how can Russia help them.. if civilians pro kiev ,shows more activism and organization than the pro Russian forces. The mariupol Building have been cleared several times already ,how can you have a revolution with so lazy FAT and coward people is beyond understanding . IF there was a massive participation
many human lives will have been saved ,specially in Odessa. Is sickening how majority of Ukrainians do not fight for their future. and prefer
the easy way and do nothing.


http://www.wltz.com/story/25533442/fight-against-ukraine-rebels-threatens-more-unrest

Pretty much the revolution progress have been halted to a a couple of dozens of buildings in donetsk and Lugansk regions ,and Mariopol and Odessa pretty much are finished for people cowardice and lack of participation.

Werewolf wrote:nice find
+1

I don't know what Ban Ki Moon likes more, taking orders from Washington or taking a huge fist up his backside.

I'm sure the May 25th elections would be free, fair and transparent...Ukrainian Democracy at work        :

magnumcromagnon wrote:let's not forget that the bias in the Security Council where out of all the 5 members, 3 are in NATO (U.S., U.K., France) and there's huge countries with no say in the Security Council such as Brazil, Egypt, India, Indonesia, not one African country, not one Latin American country, or a Arab country. Mark my words if the current trend continues than the United Nations will go the same way as the League of Nations, appeasing the war mongering partisans and white washing their crimes, with less and less credibility by the day who knows if the U.N. will be around in 25 years?

The 5 permanent members with veto are only part of the Security Council... Latin America, Africa, Arabs, and Asia certainly are represented on the SC...
In addition to permanent 5 the current SC includes: Argentina, Australia, Chad, Chile, Jordan, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Nigeria, South Korea, and Rwanda.
Now, you can certainly say that the entire list is still ridiculously unrepresentative of the world as a whole, but it at least does include representatives from all major regions.

Honestly, Russia's diplomacy can be criticized for effectiveness, it could have more effectively publicized it's stance on the coup's (il)legitimacy from day 1, including underlining the consequences of that.
Russia should have made that a topic of open discussion at UN, rather than letting the West and other countries just hand recognition to the junta, sweeping the issue under the rug.
Pretty simple to have legal experts present the legal requirements for impeachment, not to mention bring up the F21 agreement, or even the EU Parliament's previous sanction vs. Svoboda.

To add to Flaming Python's list of military vehicles in hands of the resistance, I saw something about a de-mining vehicle(s?) (with plow, etc)
I believe whose manufacturer was located around Slavyansk, that came into hands of the resistance.

The situation with Mariupol and Akhmetov's employees is unclear,
I have seen things suggesting they are working with DNR/resistance forces, and others suggesting they are effectively allied with Kiev... /shrug

Besides the direct conflict between junta and fascist forces and resistance forces,
there seems to be a large amount of civil unrest in the rest of the Ukraine, including the West...
Lviv protests over non-payment of wages by junta (+can't find link but I saw similar for bus driver strike)
Svoboda affilitated rally clashes with Kiev regime over local appointments
"Rights Sector"/nationalist militia storm district administration in Koloma, Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopil
Ivano-Frankivsk forms own regional militia
Junta forces are manning checkpoints in Vinnitsia, doubtfully aimed vs. pro-Rus resistance, so even within nationalist heartland there is major conflict w/ junta imposing IMF austerity, etc.
(not to mention the major riot in Kiev between rival nationalist factions 2 weeks or so ago)
Gas pipeline destroyed (sabotage) in Ivano-Frankivsk (following Yarosh threats of such)

There also seems to be widespread protests against army being mobilized/conscripted to fight in SE, in Chernivtsi, Dnipro, and elsewhere.

I have seen reports of a conflict between the Dnipro airborne brigade, which was supposedly refusing to go fight the resistance in the SE, and some other junta loyal militia (Nat. Guard, other militias?), which sounded like it was open conflict (violence), but I haven't found much more specific information/confirmation...???

flamming_python wrote:

arpakola wrote:Clown has no problem partisipating

If Dobkin goes, any possible remaining legitimacy of the elections will be OVER

- They already have an armed rebellion in the country and are facing civil war
- Hundreds of detained political activists facing grossly disproportionate charges, with dozens of others simply killed, and with no proper investigations taking place or culprits being brought to justice
- Beatings, harassment, arrests of presidential candidates - to the point where certain candidates were not able to campaign effectively.
- Overwhelming control of the media by forces sympathizing with certain candidates and parties
- Entire regions will not even be participating
- Certain political parties have a monopoly over the control of security and administration, paramilitary groups, while others are facing bans from the Rada, forced disbandment and have had their offices torched, deputies beaten and/or tortured.
- The country by all rights should be in a state of emergency which would PRECLUDE any holding of elections, by their very own constitution
- And the constitution has already been violated anyway, as the impeachment of the president was conducted against all regulations and procedures, amid mass parliament voter fraud and coercion, which means that the current government is illegitimate and has no right to call elections in the first place

But I doubt that Dobkin will leave the race. He has no principles, only his own selfish interests, and he sees a benefit for himself by continuing to co-operate with the putschists and establishing himself as a puppet 'eastern voice', who has no chance of winning but will attain some political capital for himself and will do his part in legitimizing the elections for the Kiev government.

As the party of regions is left with no regions it has become the political carrier of eastern tycoons cooperating now with the Kiev thugs

Vann7 wrote:And the lack of people participation continues...
In mariupol apparently Unarmed pro Kiev forces  ,steelworkers ,cleared the only government building that anti kiev forces had and now none remain other than a few elder people monitoring the place. So it pretty looks like Kiev without much effort can little by little diminish the
territorial control of pro Russian forces to much less that the official size of the zone.

No idea how Can Maiupol people vote in Donetsk referendum when they control nothing in that place. This is so disgusting ,that makes you want to vomit ,of how civilians lack of participation in defending their new Republic. I honestly do not see how can Russia help them.. if civilians pro kiev ,shows more activism and organization than the pro Russian forces. The mariupol Building have been cleared several times already ,how can you have a revolution with so lazy FAT and coward people is beyond understanding . IF there was a massive participation
many human lives will have been saved ,specially in Odessa. Is sickening how majority of Ukrainians do not fight for their future. and prefer
the easy way and do nothing.


http://www.wltz.com/story/25533442/fight-against-ukraine-rebels-threatens-more-unrest

Pretty much the revolution progress have been halted to a a couple of dozens of buildings in donetsk and Lugansk regions ,and Mariopol and Odessa pretty much are finished for people cowardice and lack of participation.

They don't have a unifying factor. Most of protesters are too old. There are plenty of pro Kiev supporters even in Sloviansk and so on. Gov criminalizes separatism so much and call people terrorists who even try to speak against Kiev. CTO scares people too. I think it's safe to say that rebels and Novorossiya are toast. Especially with such Russian "support".
I still wish them good luck and hope they put a good fight.
Ps. Babai should go back. He did enough fighting and his son was born today. Congrats to the man, but the child has to have his father

Regular wrote:

Vann7 wrote:And the lack of people participation continues...
In mariupol apparently Unarmed pro Kiev forces  ,steelworkers ,cleared the only government building that anti kiev forces had and now none remain other than a few elder people monitoring the place. So it pretty looks like Kiev without much effort can little by little diminish the
territorial control of pro Russian forces to much less that the official size of the zone.

No idea how Can Maiupol people vote in Donetsk referendum when they control nothing in that place. This is so disgusting ,that makes you want to vomit ,of how civilians lack of participation in defending their new Republic. I honestly do not see how can Russia help them.. if civilians pro kiev ,shows more activism and organization than the pro Russian forces. The mariupol Building have been cleared several times already ,how can you have a revolution with so lazy FAT and coward people is beyond understanding . IF there was a massive participation
many human lives will have been saved ,specially in Odessa. Is sickening how majority of Ukrainians do not fight for their future. and prefer
the easy way and do nothing.


http://www.wltz.com/story/25533442/fight-against-ukraine-rebels-threatens-more-unrest

Pretty much the revolution progress have been halted to a a couple of dozens of buildings in donetsk and Lugansk regions ,and Mariopol and Odessa pretty much are finished for people cowardice and lack of participation.

They don't have a unifying factor. Most of protesters are too old. There are plenty of pro Kiev supporters even in Sloviansk and so on. Gov criminalizes separatism so much and call people terrorists who even try to speak against Kiev. CTO scares people too. I think it's safe to say that rebels and Novorossiya are toast. Especially with such Russian "support".
I still wish them good luck and hope they put a good fight.
Ps. Babai should go back. He did enough fighting and his son was born today. Congrats to the man, but the child has to have his father

What makes you think so?
And, considering that they're insurgents, NOT loosing also counts as victory for them

flamming_python wrote:

mutantsushi wrote:To add to Flaming Python's list of military vehicles in hands of the resistance, I saw something about a de-mining vehicle(s?) (with plow, etc)
I believe whose manufacturer was located around Slavyansk, that came into hands of the resistance.

I believe those are the same military engineering vehicles I posted a video of in my last post; they were also taken from a factory, which could have been their manufacturer.

The situation with Mariupol and Akhmetov's employees is unclear,
I have seen things suggesting they are working with DNR/resistance forces, and others suggesting they are effectively allied with Kiev... /shrug

They claim they are 'for peace' and 'don't want to fight', ignoring the fact that the fight is being taken to them and the citizens of Mariupol, they've taken down barricades in Mariupol and now there are reports that Kiev's forces are on their way to Mariupol to seize it; either for its strategic value as a port and/or to use it as a base from where to strike against Donetsk.

So these guys have said they are peaceful people and don't want to fight, cleared the barricades out the way for the Ukrainian army and NatsGuard, and are now patiently awaiting their arrival.
What does this sound like to you?

Don't think there are many of them though. When Kiev's forces come in, Mariupol residents will come out on the streets again, minus their barricades, and the same scenario as before could be repeated.

I have seen reports of a conflict between the Dnipro airborne brigade, which was supposedly refusing to go fight the resistance in the SE, and some other junta loyal militia (Nat. Guard, other militias?), which sounded like it was open conflict (violence), but I haven't found much more specific information/confirmation...???

There was a report about an entire base mutinying, and also firefights between NatsGuard units and Ukrainian conscripts and regular military units.
Haven't found any good sources as yet though.

the answer is..

thermobaric RPGs

mosto of BTRs are traveling with 6-8 guys on top and the door on top wide open
One thermobaric RPG .. can send them all to hell , spare the BTR  and demorilise the RS boys , thinking the east is like Euromaidan sqr  Luna park..


Thermobaric staff must be found...
also ..

night vision  and  attacks deep  to zaporitsa and Herson.  Just one - two hits at their camps..

THEY MUST START FEELING UNSAFE  WITHIN THEIR BASES .

ONLY DEFENDING SLAVIANSK IS NO USE

arpakola wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

mutantsushi wrote:To add to Flaming Python's list of military vehicles in hands of the resistance, I saw something about a de-mining vehicle(s?) (with plow, etc)
I believe whose manufacturer was located around Slavyansk, that came into hands of the resistance.

I believe those are the same military engineering vehicles I posted a video of in my last post; they were also taken from a factory, which could have been their manufacturer.

The situation with Mariupol and Akhmetov's employees is unclear,
I have seen things suggesting they are working with DNR/resistance forces, and others suggesting they are effectively allied with Kiev... /shrug

They claim they are 'for peace' and 'don't want to fight', ignoring the fact that the fight is being taken to them and the citizens of Mariupol, they've taken down barricades in Mariupol and now there are reports that Kiev's forces are on their way to Mariupol to seize it; either for its strategic value as a port and/or to use it as a base from where to strike against Donetsk.

So these guys have said they are peaceful people and don't want to fight, cleared the barricades out the way for the Ukrainian army and NatsGuard, and are now patiently awaiting their arrival.
What does this sound like to you?

Don't think there are many of them though. When Kiev's forces come in, Mariupol residents will come out on the streets again, minus their barricades, and the same scenario as before could be repeated.

I have seen reports of a conflict between the Dnipro airborne brigade, which was supposedly refusing to go fight the resistance in the SE, and some other junta loyal militia (Nat. Guard, other militias?), which sounded like it was open conflict (violence), but I haven't found much more specific information/confirmation...???

There was a report about an entire base mutinying, and also firefights between NatsGuard units and Ukrainian conscripts and regular military units.
Haven't found any good sources as yet though.

the answer is..

thermobaric RPGs

mosto of BTRs are traveling with 6-8 guys on top and the door on top wide open
One thermobaric RPG .. can send them all to hell , spare the BTR  and demorilise the RS boys , thinking the east is like Euromaidan sqr  Luna park..


Thermobaric staff must be found...
also ..

night vision  and  attacks deep  to zaporitsa and Herson.  Just one - two hits at their camps..

THEY MUST START FEELING UNSAFE  WITHIN THEIR BASES .

ONLY DEFENDING SLAVIANSK IS NO USE

Agreed, as defending can only last so long till they break through.

Russia has plenty of newer NVG and Thermals, so they should provide some, even if it is through private transactions (donations). RPO's on the other hand will be very hard to obtain.

First video.. As I've said. Strelkov is having troubles. I feel so pissed off by Eastern Ukrainians. They are waiting Russian army or volunteers to do all the fighting for them.

Apparently a group of Kiev soldiers defected to the Donetsk local defenses..on saturday. This is reported
By Kiev. and pro Russia forces report that 7 pro Kiev fighters killed with zero casualties and 1 critically injured from Donetsk defense side

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_18/Slavyansk-under-fire-self-defense-doesnt-let-Ukrainian-law-enforcers-advance-peoples-mayor-8411/

Also the rusty train that was used to stop Kiev forces was shelled heavily with artillery and the local defenses had to retreat from that place.

a random checkpoint video shooting..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPbjiAthT6Y

My bet is that kiev is sending to the front line the most inexperienced young soldiers ,conscript and want to use the casualties to
label the Donetsk defenses as terrorist and justify a full scale war tanks ,artillery and thousands of strong army force. Also reported the
Euromaidan thugs that used to burn buildings ,now declared a legal force and they will join the national guard.

GarryB wrote:

the answer is..

thermobaric RPGs

mosto of BTRs are traveling with 6-8 guys on top and the door on top wide open
One thermobaric RPG .. can send them all to hell , spare the BTR  and demorilise the RS boys , thinking the east is like Euromaidan sqr  Luna park..


Thermobaric staff must be found...
also ..

Talk like that reminds me of what pro maiden ukrainians said of the people dying in that burning building.

Instead of thermobaric weapons how about a white flag of peace and actually talking to these soldiers and reasoning with them?

I know is is very un terrorist like, but I don't think terrorist tactics are the best choice... no matter what happens these people have to live there... they can massacre each other and the winners will win and the losers will lose, but no matter what happens you wont kill all of them and they wont kill all of you and those that remain will have to live with what they have done and the results of what was done by everyone...

I just think talking is worth a try first.

I know that is very unamerican... very unwestern... and being on the other side of the planet I am very much removed from the situation, but at the end of the day fighting suits the US the most as it will force Russia to get involved, which is probably the plan all along.

Agree as long regular troops is concerned

But not for the black jackets of RS or thw mercenaries..

any way . Fear is a good way to keep these guys far away .. and not only to the attacking troops but also to their baracks back in Zaporitsa and Herson.

Talking , politics and white flags , have any value when acompained with streght.

GarryB wrote:

the answer is..

thermobaric RPGs

mosto of BTRs are traveling with 6-8 guys on top and the door on top wide open
One thermobaric RPG .. can send them all to hell , spare the BTR  and demorilise the RS boys , thinking the east is like Euromaidan sqr  Luna park..


Thermobaric staff must be found...
also ..

Talk like that reminds me of what pro maiden ukrainians said of the people dying in that burning building.

Instead of thermobaric weapons how about a white flag of peace and actually talking to these soldiers and reasoning with them?

I know is is very un terrorist like, but I don't think terrorist tactics are the best choice... no matter what happens these people have to live there... they can massacre each other and the winners will win and the losers will lose, but no matter what happens you wont kill all of them and they wont kill all of you and those that remain will have to live with what they have done and the results of what was done by everyone...

I just think talking is worth a try first.

I know that is very unamerican... very unwestern... and being on the other side of the planet I am very much removed from the situation, but at the end of the day fighting suits the US the most as it will force Russia to get involved, which is probably the plan all along.

Actually they've already done that and it worked! The true soldiers of Ukraine refused to attack their own cities, the fake soldiers such as the "National Guard" are made up of Right Sector psychopaths, sociopaths, and other forms of low lives. National Guard, aka the Right Sector with professional cover just look how professional they are (you can tell they're not professional trained soldiers):

At least 650 servicemen were killed, wounded or taken prisoner in the past ten 10 days, People’s Mayor of Slavyansk,
Vyacheslav Ponomaryov said...


Read more:

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_18/CIA-denies-its-agents-killed-in-eastern-Ukraine-2156/


SO if those numbers are true.. it means the war in eastern Ukraine is not as soft and calm as we were made
to believe. But near a full scale war. The Donetsk leadership is also claiming many CIA thugs and blackwater mercenaries
captured or killed by them. And that a new round of them arrived. Also that the loses from The donetsk side are far lower than the ones taken by Kiev side.. Unfortunately i believe that many of the kiev army are conscript teens with 18 years old ,that are jobless and cannot resign for because can be killed if they do. and they sent as meat shield in the front line and that the CIA Black water mercenaries fight in the last line.

It was reported too , that 10 Kiev soldiers were killed last day by its own side for wanting to defect to the Russian side.


Rally in Ukraine's Kharkov calls for boycotting presidential elections, promises referendum
and asking people to not recognize the elections in may 25 and instead form a big protest that day..

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_18/Rally-in-Ukraines-Kharkov-calls-for-boycotting-presidential-elections-promises-referendum-5911/

Finally it appears that Kiev army is in pure terrorism mode and now targeting Industries that are friendly to Russia and totally
destroying it ,to affect the eastern Economy.

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_18/Ukrainian-troops-Kramatorsk-self-defense-forces-clash-on-city-outskirts-3783/

Ideas like this can only come from evil minds ,From  US CIA advisors that are the masters sabotage and terror.
That is  when they cannot take control of something ,they destroy it..as they now doing in Syria. That even the water supplies of
millions are attacked. so mark my words.. it will be a matter of time ,they will target Power Electrical Stations in Eastern Ukraine and its water supplies. The Donetsk republic better not only have security in their power stations and water supplies but fully document in video any Terrorist attack by Kiev Army against civilians most important facilities.

mortar at slavyansk


Bronze cannon ultra-precise secret weapon militias.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTBfjmdJA9E#t=28


Graham Phillips from Slavyansk. Artillery fire aftermath.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_EF7EsvE5M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMb6VXmRm7g


Army recruitment campaign - Donetsk People's Republic

Rally in Ukraine's Kharkov calls for boycotting presidential elections, promises referendum
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_18/Rally-in-Ukraines-Kharkov-calls-for-boycotting-presidential-elections-promises-referendum-5911/



A traditional Sunday rally of supporters of federalization is under way in Kharkov at the foot of the Lenin monument.

An Interfax correspondent reports that the rally involves activists of Southeast and Borotba movements as well as the Communist and Progressive Socialist Parties.
"It is our task is to by no means go to elections. We should meet in this square on May 25: We won't recognize the elections," member of the coordinating council of Southeast Yury Apukhtin said.
He criticized the second all-Ukrainian national unity roundtable held in Kharkov on Saturday saying that he refused to attend it even though he had been invited. He also promised that Kharkov would hold a referendum following the examples of Donetsk and Lugansk.
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_18/Rally-in-Ukraines-Kharkov-calls-for-boycotting-presidential-elections-promises-referendum-5911/

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German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier has called for restraint in imposing new sanctions on Russia, as politicians, businesses and the general public in Germany grow ever more skeptical of putting more pressure on Moscow.

Steinmeier defended the already imposed sanctions against Russia, but said that he still preferred "cooperation instead of confrontation" with Moscow, according to a Saturday interview with Thüringische Landeszeitung.

“We must avoid falling into an automatic [sanctions] mode, which leads only to a dead end and leaves no more policy options,” Steinmeier said.

The comment was made the same day Ukraine's acting Foreign Minister Andriy Deshchytsia appealed for toughening sanctions, including imposing “preventive” ones, against Russia in an interview to another German newspaper, Die Welt.

The idea of slapping Moscow with any further restrictions appears to be lacking popular support in Germany. That was felt earlier this week in Berlin when Chancellor Angela Merkel, attending her party’s campaign event, was booed by a rally of protesters holding signs, which read 'Europe is strong only with Russia' or 'Stop the Nazis in Ukraine.'

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