The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

Hannibal Barca wrote:This is Yugoslavia all the way. I will keep my support up until the referendums of 11th May, immediately after or Putin must act decisively or step down.

arpakola wrote:

Hannibal Barca wrote:This is Yugoslavia all the way. I will keep my support up until the referendums of 11th May, immediately after or Putin must act decisively or step down.

you see is very Obvius that are desperatly try to drug Russia in an invasion..
(some night vision staff.. plenty of RPGs and a non fly zone zone.. would do I guess)

Firebird wrote:I'm starting to think the same.... if something big doesn't happen soon.
America, the Banderites and the Euroloons are frankly piss taking.

Question is, who would replace Putin?
Rogozin? Rottweiler but prob not smart enough
Medvedev? Nope too Eurofriendly and not abrasive enough.
Zyuganov? No substantial demand for a |Communist.
Lavrov? diplomat and skilled, but a military leader?
Zhironovsky? Ok people dont take him seriously. MAYBE tho... its because they were all wrong!
Shoigu? Well his qualification is that he's a defence minister. Any other qualifns?

arpakola wrote:

Hannibal Barca wrote:This is Yugoslavia all the way. I will keep my support up until the referendums of 11th May, immediately after or Putin must act decisively or step down.

you see is very Obvius that are desperatly try to drug Russia in an invasion..
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Hannibal Barca wrote:

Firebird wrote:I'm starting to think the same.... if something big doesn't happen soon.
America, the Banderites and the Euroloons are frankly piss taking.

Question is, who would replace Putin?
Rogozin? Rottweiler but prob not smart enough
Medvedev? Nope too Eurofriendly and not abrasive enough.
Zyuganov? No substantial demand for a |Communist.
Lavrov? diplomat and skilled, but a military leader?
Zhironovsky? Ok people dont take him seriously. MAYBE tho... its because they were all wrong!
Shoigu? Well his qualification is that he's a defence minister. Any other qualifns?

Nobody. Putin is the best. But Siloviki must finally stop to be the dominant school of thought in Moscow.

Firebird wrote:I'm starting to think the same.... if something big doesn't happen soon.
America, the Banderites and the Euroloons are frankly piss taking.

Question is, who would replace Putin?
Rogozin? Rottweiler but prob not smart enough
Medvedev? Nope too Eurofriendly and not abrasive enough.
Zyuganov? No substantial demand for a |Communist.
Lavrov? diplomat and skilled, but a military leader?
Zhironovsky? Ok people dont take him seriously. MAYBE tho... its because they were all wrong!
Shoigu? Well his qualification is that he's a defence minister. Any other qualifns?

Firebird wrote:

Hannibal Barca wrote:

Firebird wrote:I'm starting to think the same.... if something big doesn't happen soon.
America, the Banderites and the Euroloons are frankly piss taking.

Question is, who would replace Putin?
Rogozin? Rottweiler but prob not smart enough
Medvedev? Nope too Eurofriendly and not abrasive enough.
Zyuganov? No substantial demand for a |Communist.
Lavrov? diplomat and skilled, but a military leader?
Zhironovsky? Ok people dont take him seriously. MAYBE tho... its because they were all wrong!
Shoigu? Well his qualification is that he's a defence minister. Any other qualifns?

Nobody. Putin is the best. But Siloviki must finally stop to be the dominant school of thought in Moscow.

But Id have thought the Siloviki would be keener on war.
Its the raft of US mesmerised economists, Medvedevs, Council of Europe bureaucrats, foreign living oligarchs etc  etc that I'd think are providing the resistance.

Firebird wrote:I'm starting to think the same.... if something big doesn't happen soon.
America, the Banderites and the Euroloons are frankly piss taking.

Question is, who would replace Putin?
Rogozin? Rottweiler but prob not smart enough
Medvedev? Nope too Eurofriendly and not abrasive enough.
Zyuganov? No substantial demand for a |Communist.
Lavrov? diplomat and skilled, but a military leader?
Zhironovsky? Ok people dont take him seriously. MAYBE tho... its because they were all wrong!
Shoigu? Well his qualification is that he's a defence minister. Any other qualifns?

Firebird wrote:I'm starting to think the same.... if something big doesn't happen soon.
America, the Banderites and the Euroloons are frankly piss taking.

Question is, who would replace Putin?
Rogozin? Rottweiler but prob not smart enough
Medvedev? Nope too Eurofriendly and not abrasive enough.
Zyuganov? No substantial demand for a |Communist.
Lavrov? diplomat and skilled, but a military leader?
Zhironovsky? Ok people dont take him seriously. MAYBE tho... its because they were all wrong!
Shoigu? Well his qualification is that he's a defence minister. Any other qualifns?

Airbornewolf wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Firebird wrote:I'm starting to think the same.... if something big doesn't happen soon.
America, the Banderites and the Euroloons are frankly piss taking.

Question is, who would replace Putin?
Rogozin? Rottweiler but prob not smart enough
Medvedev? Nope too Eurofriendly and not abrasive enough.
Zyuganov? No substantial demand for a |Communist.
Lavrov? diplomat and skilled, but a military leader?
Zhironovsky? Ok people dont take him seriously. MAYBE tho... its because they were all wrong!
Shoigu? Well his qualification is that he's a defence minister. Any other qualifns?

Zyuganov has much more political experience and is even more dedicated to stand up to the west than putin. That's why I support him. The others are too specialized or not competent enough...

this conflict its not about Russia standing up to the West.

this conflict is about breaking the U.S its hold over europe and that so far in recent years have been effective for Russia and Putin. sympathy and understanding for Russia is present in general in europe among the population. and the U.S initiated wars and spy scandals that E.U leadership simply accepted generated a lot of distrust towards the U.S and E.U leadership among the average european civilian. where i would like to point out the dramatic climb of anti-EU party's in polls that publicly spoke out that Russia is treated "unfair" and the West initiated the crisis in Ukraine.

you guys are entitled to your own opinions and even if i disagree with them i accept. but to state my own point of view:

in short-terms, yes. im angry the U.S managed to support people that just kill unarmed people in the middle of the streets in broad daylight. but this is nothing new under the sun. since their establishment 1776 they had 21 year of peace,...the remainder 214 years they had war/conflict. they went all over the world and now its Ukraine. this is bullshit also of course and none of those people have done anything to die by Neo-nazi hands. but what do you think the U.S did in Vietnam?, Serbia?, Iraq? and Afghanistan?. the blood of thousands if not millions by now is on their hands. just in 2014 in the age of widespread internet and mobile recording devices it does not remain hidden or ignored. the CIA agents advising Kiev know of this and try to "enrage" russia in making a stupid mistake. Russia can not permit as a returning and leading superpower (it was never gone but it certainly reclaimed its glory in the recent two years on the world stage) to lose its national interrests by the provocation of a bunch of Neo-Nazi's in Kiev and Imperialistic idiots like Nuland, Mccain and Kerry.

in long-term, Putin is propably one of the best strategists i have seen in politicians. the massacre the Kiev junta is commiting is just brutal provocation incited by the U.S to draw russia in a bad spotlight and make them the "enemy" to the west. the U.S knows that western europe is turning towards Russia, and their propoganda machine and millitary-industrial complex elected goverment is making a final attempt to keep an hold over Europe. witch was doomed to fail from the beginning anyway, the american goverment consider the E.U nothing more as a sattelite state to the U.S but miscalculate how the average civilian feels. where i would like to point again to the dramatic rise of anti-eu party's within E.U.

one nice example is one of my country's main newspapers that spews propoganda against russia. 80% of comments are pro-russia and anti-U.S. spying scandal, illegal wars and economy are all reasons for choosing Russia.

China and Russia already are co-operating with eachother on a large scale or plan to in the immidiate future. India already grown anti-U.S feelings and has close ties with Russia. south america already hates the guts of the U.S being Venezuela and Brazil the biggest ones that gave Washington the cold shoulder. that does not include the grounding of Bolivia's presidents aircraft on the instructions of the U.S or Argentina's frustration with the U.S biggest ally Brittian. when the E.U parlaiment chooses co-operation with Russia witch will happen sooner or later as things move now the U.S foreign power will be rendered a shadow of it once was. the E.U simply can not excist without Russia's economy and EU company's already stated that. Shell, a dutch oil and gas multinational already said it will not suspend any co-operation with Russia regardless of sanctions and warned the EU parlaiment of "catastrophic" results if the EU shuts out Russia. Shell's CEO personally went to Putin in Russia to promise Shells co-operation with Russia.

the chesspieces are against the U.S, and Putin knows it. Strategy is not about what is perceived as it appears, but about the end result when you kick the legs from under your opponent. he does not forget the people in the eastern ukraine, Putin is anything but a coward.

Airbornewolf wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Firebird wrote:I'm starting to think the same.... if something big doesn't happen soon.
America, the Banderites and the Euroloons are frankly piss taking.

Question is, who would replace Putin?
Rogozin? Rottweiler but prob not smart enough
Medvedev? Nope too Eurofriendly and not abrasive enough.
Zyuganov? No substantial demand for a |Communist.
Lavrov? diplomat and skilled, but a military leader?
Zhironovsky? Ok people dont take him seriously. MAYBE tho... its because they were all wrong!
Shoigu? Well his qualification is that he's a defence minister. Any other qualifns?

Zyuganov has much more political experience and is even more dedicated to stand up to the west than putin. That's why I support him. The others are too specialized or not competent enough...

this conflict its not about Russia standing up to the West.

this conflict is about breaking the U.S its hold over europe and that so far in recent years have been effective for Russia and Putin. sympathy and understanding for Russia is present in general in europe among the population. and the U.S initiated wars and spy scandals that E.U leadership simply accepted generated a lot of distrust towards the U.S and E.U leadership among the average european civilian. where i would like to point out the dramatic climb of anti-EU party's in polls that publicly spoke out that Russia is treated "unfair" and the West initiated the crisis in Ukraine.

you guys are entitled to your own opinions and even if i disagree with them i accept. but to state my own point of view:

in short-terms, yes. im angry the U.S managed to support people that just kill unarmed people in the middle of the streets in broad daylight. but this is nothing new under the sun. since their establishment 1776 they had 21 year of peace,...the remainder 214 years they had war/conflict. they went all over the world and now its Ukraine. this is bullshit also of course and none of those people have done anything to die by Neo-nazi hands. but what do you think the U.S did in Vietnam?, Serbia?, Iraq? and Afghanistan?. the blood of thousands if not millions by now is on their hands. just in 2014 in the age of widespread internet and mobile recording devices it does not remain hidden or ignored. the CIA agents advising Kiev know of this and try to "enrage" russia in making a stupid mistake. Russia can not permit as a returning and leading superpower (it was never gone but it certainly reclaimed its glory in the recent two years on the world stage) to lose its national interrests by the provocation of a bunch of Neo-Nazi's in Kiev and Imperialistic idiots like Nuland, Mccain and Kerry.

in long-term, Putin is propably one of the best strategists i have seen in politicians. the massacre the Kiev junta is commiting is just brutal provocation incited by the U.S to draw russia in a bad spotlight and make them the "enemy" to the west. the U.S knows that western europe is turning towards Russia, and their propoganda machine and millitary-industrial complex elected goverment is making a final attempt to keep an hold over Europe. witch was doomed to fail from the beginning anyway, the american goverment consider the E.U nothing more as a sattelite state to the U.S but miscalculate how the average civilian feels. where i would like to point again to the dramatic rise of anti-eu party's within E.U.

one nice example is one of my country's main newspapers that spews propoganda against russia. 80% of comments are pro-russia and anti-U.S. spying scandal, illegal wars and economy are all reasons for choosing Russia.

China and Russia already are co-operating with eachother on a large scale or plan to in the immidiate future. India already grown anti-U.S feelings and has close ties with Russia. south america already hates the guts of the U.S being Venezuela and Brazil the biggest ones that gave Washington the cold shoulder. that does not include the grounding of Bolivia's presidents aircraft on the instructions of the U.S or Argentina's frustration with the U.S biggest ally Brittian. when the E.U parlaiment chooses co-operation with Russia witch will happen sooner or later as things move now the U.S foreign power will be rendered a shadow of it once was. the E.U simply can not excist without Russia's economy and EU company's already stated that. Shell, a dutch oil and gas multinational already said it will not suspend any co-operation with Russia regardless of sanctions and warned the EU parlaiment of "catastrophic" results if the EU shuts out Russia. Shell's CEO personally went to Putin in Russia to promise Shells co-operation with Russia.

the chesspieces are against the U.S, and Putin knows it. Strategy is not about what is perceived as it appears, but about the end result when you kick the legs from under your opponent. he does not forget the people in the eastern ukraine, Putin is anything but a coward.