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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

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    Post  Hannibal Barca 04/08/14, 11:57 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    Have to admit that this it true and this is what has to change in order for the East to take charge. There are still things that never change.
    Like I say not even a damn car semi competitive is ever produced in Russia or India or China. Is not all that difficult to do it but yet never do it.
    A Russian yacht company might be more promotional than 100 nuclear plants or a luxury  wristwatches company. Doesn't take a lot to create a famous clock.
    It's really detrimental (not listen to the Rolex crap) and then just put enough gold and diamonds. Yet I have nothing of Russian origin in my ownership and this sucks tremendously.
    This is the reason why you see orange revolutions everywhere or why Orthodox girls still amass Athenian strip clubs circa 2014.....  

    But all of that is intentional, with good reasons behind all of that. It'll all become clear in about 20 years time (by the end of the current world war).


    So can you please unveil the plan to me because I am ignorant and worry for the end result  Very Happy 

    Over time I'll give clues. The first installment would come later.

    I have to finish a document now. It's 9:30 PM here, and as usual I am working.

    The clues can sometimes come in the form of questions.


    OK do your job and then show me the clues or shoot your questions alternatively.
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    Post  Sujoy 05/08/14, 12:00 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

    By the way, what does "Sujoy" stand for?

    Sanskrit for "Winner"
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    Post  Vann7 05/08/14, 12:53 am

    Russia doesn't make anything, West must be firm with China

    Thats pretty moronic coming from a president.. and is good that he said that.. because obama truly represent
    the spirit of American arrogance and exceptionalism.  

    Russia should cancel the sale of technology that Russia make ,so the Americans and its kenyan president Space program collapse for at least 5 years. Russia economy have not been anything close to western economy ,because they are not invading nations or overthrowing governments to force nations to buy their products . US economical boom came after world war 2 ,that they destroyed Japan civilian industry ,not allowing them to build a single car in decades , allowing them to own the car market. But the most part of the economical success have been their Jewish banking alliance that pretty much rules the half of the world. They can make the rules in the financing sector, and artificially inflate their economy ,just by printing more money from the thin air with no backup..Who can't be rich if a bank give you unlimited loans and tells you ,that you dont need to pay your debt?  Imagine you a nation with 15 trillion debt but that doesn't need to pay a dime and continue loaning more? Any other nation will have gone bankrupt. Simply the Jewish banking mafia and neocons elites manipulate world economies so that they can continue spending money without having to pay anything.

    Lets see what Russia makes..
    Russia makes space technology American needs , they build state of the art weapons ,superior or similar in most cases to what the US defense industry makes.  Russia build Nuclear reactors ,superior and more advanced to what they make. This can be seen ,when even UK hire Russia to build their nukes. pretty much Russia own this market ,France second place. Russia design Civilian planes like Sukhoi super jet 100 that have been a major success ,defeating many of their Boeing 747 sales.  Russia also build nuclear ICE breakers ,best of the world and USA have none. Russia build helicopters for the civilian industry ,that pretty much own the market.. Also Russia build naturally cars and can produce anything the west makes.. including Computers..

    The problem however is ,that because Russia have chosen to play under capitalism economy and economy ,that US-UK banks control , that is based of a faith and Speculation and not necessarily on real production and performance of a nation. Add that the west pretty much control the world media that they use as a propaganda weapon against Russia ,and you will see how challenging will be for Russia to produce something that already exist in the west and could be profitable in the world.

    hannibal wrote : Like I say not even a damn car semi competitive is ever produced in Russia or India or China. Is not all that difficult to do it but yet never do it.  


    Russia could make the best car in the world and it will not matter,it will not be profitable,regardless if is superior
    to anything the west have ,because the west control the markets that Russia can sell them and make profits.
    For the simple reason that americans and Jews banks controls western most developed economies and can force them to do anything  they want. So any project Russia makes ,it will not be profitable if US blackmail their EU colonies to not sale that car .That said Russia needs to move away of US dollar totally and create an alternative financial market.. BRICS needs to grow and include more nations and their members refuse to trade in American dollars..

    Major problem Russia had was that was seeking to compete in a game ,that US make the rules.. and naturally under such games ,it will be impossible to win and defeat them. Look for example today.. that Russia economy was doing very well ,but now US
    sabotage it ,by blackmailing their colonies to significantly limit their trade with Russia.  In short Russia mistake have been to try to play a game ,that US set the rules and can change it at will ,whenever it likes. Imagine a track and field race that US not only control the rules of what is a win but also the judges.?  IF for example Russia is winning even in their own game (capitalism). Then they disqualify Russian Runners and ask others to not recognize their results.  Laughing    But in the case of US.. they also hire people to kidnap the Russian runners.. so they cannot compete at all.  

    That said.. there is no way US and Russia can be in the same game when the Rules are set only by them.. Russia biggest mistake is to focus too much look in the western market and ignore their Asian Neighbors.

     Russia cooperating in Sanctions against IRAN and NORTH korea for example ,in their isolation ,have gone against their own business interest. Russia simply should drop from all treaties , stop using US dollar , and create a trade block with IRAN and India ,but also try to get South America too. And leave US and EU with no place to grow. Also AFrica is seriously undeveloped because of the interference of US and its allies.. The most prosperous nation Libya , was destroyed as soon they wanted to move away from the US dollar.  

    Russian goals should be in the future Euro-Asia to help develop it ,South America , Middle east and Africa.. Bypass all IRAN sanctions and sell Nukes even if they want. try to help North Korea to become democratic ,there is a lot of money and business they can make with them. and leave US and EU to isolate from the world. Russia do have a lot of potential to expand its economy if they just move away from the less developed nations.We are speaking about 80% of the world population vs 20%.

    Also Russia needs to start looking on the entertainment industry, that makes more profits even than the weapon industry. Ipods ,smarphones ,Home theaters ,Personal Computers ,Audio system. IRAN is very strong in electronics and so India.. they can truly build next generation stuff with their help. But playing a game that US set the rules ,and can change it and manipulate it at will is doomed to fail.

    In summary Russia needs to expand in EuroAsia but also Latin America , ME and Africa  and help them modernize ,but also compete in the entertainment technology industry which they have pretty much nothing there to compete with the west.Their Yotaphones is just a good start but far from enough. IF Russia design personal computers competitive with the west .home theaters ,a decent movie industry and their own internet ,it will be an entire different game. and it will become a 100% independent nation from the west.  North Korean for example developed a operating system that is Anti-NSA US spy..  

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    So the talent in EuroAsia exist.. Russia just need to stop  looking to its "partners" in the west ,because they are pretty much doomed until they continue being their colonies and depend on their banking system. IRAN-India-China-North korea, there is a Lot of talent there ,scientist -engineers that can truly help Russia build an real alternative to the west.. what they offer or sale.  Also Russia can easily develop an economy not based of speculation or jewish bank "rating" and totally backed by Gold or Energy. An economy not based on US banks rating and that they cannot control is something that scare the hell of them. real economy should be based of what a nation have to trade and not what an american institution says your money value is. In another interesting info..to make things easier, is that China can pretty much reverse engineer already any technology the west have..LOL Those Ipods and Iphones are already made in china under different names.  Imagine China building BMW cars for half the price.  Smile  THe copyright laws and all international crap tribunals have no authority in the east.Story short Russia does not need the west for anything ,they can become very prosperous country and become very modern nation just looking to EuroAsia alone and mutually helping each other in the development
    of their nations.
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    Post  Vann7 05/08/14, 09:08 am

    Militias report surrender of over 700 Ukrainian troops in Donetsk region

    The Novorossiya news agency said on Monday


    There is a message from the militiamen that 702 members of the Ukrainian army have surrendered in Shakhtersk, which is being held by joint militia forces,” the agency said, quoting one of the militia commanders as saying.
    This information could not be confirmed from other sources.
    Militiamen also said that they had used heavy weapons against the government troops twice during the day.

    http://en.itar-tass.com/world/743514

    IS this from the same group of 400 that surrendered earlier?
    If not this could indeed be a major blow to Kiev.. and more than enough pressure for them to stop the war..
    and move to negotiations. or their own armies Uki armies will march to the capital and overthrow Poroshenko and the nazi junta in kiev.
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    Post  George1 05/08/14, 09:11 am

    Ukrainian Army Amasses Ballistic Missiles, MLRS Near Donetsk - Russian Foreign Ministry

    MOSCOW, August 4 (RIA Novosti) — Kiev-led forces continue to re-deploy short-range ballistic missile systems and multiple-launch rocket systems to the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk in a move that could threaten the lives of hundreds of civilians, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Monday.

    "The Ukrainian army continues to amass Tochka-U ballistic missile systems as well as Smerch and Uragan MLRS near Donetsk," the ministry said in a statement.

    "How many more people are these systems going to kill?" the statement said.

    A spokesman for the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic said earlier on Monday that at least 523 people have died and more than 3,000 have been injured in the region since the start of the Kiev-led military crackdown on independence supporters.

    Independence supporters in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic said on Saturday that Ukrainian government troops are moving Tochka-U systems to Donetsk, after the DPR's militia commander Igor Strelkov said Tochka-U complexes had been delivered to Kramatorsk. Strelkov said Kiev was expected to attack disposal facilities in Donetsk and Luhansk that contain at least 150 tons of chlorine.

    Last week, CNN reported citing US officials that the Ukrainian troops used short-range ballistic missiles in the country’s troubled east. With a range of about 50 miles and a warhead payload of up to 1,000 pounds, the missiles would be the most destructive weapons used in the conflict, which has lasted for over three months.

    In mid-April, Kiev launched a military crackdown on independence supporters in eastern Ukraine. According to the latest UN report, the conflict has claimed the lives of more than 1,100 civilians since then, with nearly 3,500 injured.

    Moscow has repeatedly condemned Kiev’s "war against it`s own people" and urged an immediate stop of the punitive operation, advocating for a peaceful resolution to the crisis.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt 05/08/14, 09:34 am

    Vann7 wrote:Militias report surrender of over 700 Ukrainian troops in Donetsk region

    The Novorossiya news agency said on Monday


    There is a message from the militiamen that 702 members of the Ukrainian army have surrendered in Shakhtersk, which is being held by joint militia forces,” the agency said, quoting one of the militia commanders as saying.
    This information could not be confirmed from other sources.
    Militiamen also said that they had used heavy weapons against the government troops twice during the day.

    http://en.itar-tass.com/world/743514

    IS this from the same group of 400 that surrendered earlier?
    If not this could indeed be a major blow to Kiev.. and more than enough pressure for them to stop the war..
    and move to negotiations. or their own armies Uki armies will march to the capital and overthrow Poroshenko and the nazi junta in kiev.

    Shakhtyorsk is a different area than the area that the earlier 440+ surrender happened.
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    Post  MotherlandCalls 05/08/14, 10:14 am

    George1 wrote:Ukrainian Army Amasses Ballistic Missiles, MLRS Near Donetsk - Russian Foreign Ministry

    MOSCOW, August 4 (RIA Novosti) — Kiev-led forces continue to re-deploy short-range ballistic missile systems and multiple-launch rocket systems to the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk in a move that could threaten the lives of hundreds of civilians, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Monday.

    "The Ukrainian army continues to amass Tochka-U ballistic missile systems as well as Smerch and Uragan MLRS near Donetsk," the ministry said in a statement.

    "How many more people are these systems going to kill?" the statement said.

    A spokesman for the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic said earlier on Monday that at least 523 people have died and more than 3,000 have been injured in the region since the start of the Kiev-led military crackdown on independence supporters.

    Independence supporters in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic said on Saturday that Ukrainian government troops are moving Tochka-U systems to Donetsk, after the DPR's militia commander Igor Strelkov said Tochka-U complexes had been delivered to Kramatorsk. Strelkov said Kiev was expected to attack disposal facilities in Donetsk and Luhansk that contain at least 150 tons of chlorine.

    Last week, CNN reported citing US officials that the Ukrainian troops used short-range ballistic missiles in the country’s troubled east. With a range of about 50 miles and a warhead payload of up to 1,000 pounds, the missiles would be the most destructive weapons used in the conflict, which has lasted for over three months.

    In mid-April, Kiev launched a military crackdown on independence supporters in eastern Ukraine. According to the latest UN report, the conflict has claimed the lives of more than 1,100 civilians since then, with nearly 3,500 injured.

    Moscow has repeatedly condemned Kiev’s "war against it`s own people" and urged an immediate stop of the punitive operation, advocating for a peaceful resolution to the crisis.

    You won't hear a peep out of the americans about this one. Some evil "Russian separatists" have been killed by missiles? No big deal. It's bad enough they're funding the Israeli state while they massacre Gaza. Quite the double standard those silly guys have. Roles reversed and it's Russia using these missiles on "Ukrainian separatists" in Russia and I guarantee this is all over the news and the anti-Russia propaganda train is full steam ahead.
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    Post  Vann7 05/08/14, 10:39 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Shakhtyorsk is a different area than the area that the earlier 440+ surrender happened.

    Wow.. if that is not a catastrophe ,then no idea what is..  

    You mean that Shakhtyorsk is not in the south of the cauldron..that so called 1500 were trapped?


    In other news.. or rather a report of history.. take a look at the Glory to Ukraine heroes.. that The Obama administration ,Victoria Nuland and other servants of Satan ,political leaders that they call allies and ,take a look at the bandera thugs they are supporting today in Ukraine. (graphical pictures in black and white of banderas crimes)

    http://en.voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2578-europeans-seems-you-are-shameless.html



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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt 05/08/14, 11:23 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Shakhtyorsk is a different area than the area that the earlier 440+ surrender happened.

    Wow.. if that is not a catastrophe ,then no idea what is..  

    You mean that Shakhtyorsk is not in the south of the cauldron..that so called 1500 were trapped?


    In other news.. or rather a report of history.. take a look at the Glory to Ukraine heroes.. that The Obama administration ,Victoria Nuland and other servants of Satan ,political leaders that they call allies and ,take a look at the bandera thugs they are supporting today in Ukraine. (graphical pictures in black and white of banderas crimes)

    http://en.voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2578-europeans-seems-you-are-shameless.html

    That's right. Shakhtyorsk is near Donetsk.

    In the south, 5000 Nazis were trapped; some leaked out; some surrendered by going to Russia; probably the majority got annihilated; some are still in the pocket though, taking up valuable Novorussian resources, because the Novorussians have to set aside forces that are needed to either annihilate the Nazis or force them to surrender.

    The events of the last few weeks, especially those of the last few days, again prove beyond a shadow of doubt that the help the Russians are giving the Novorussians is extremely, extremely minimal.
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    Post  Cyberspec 05/08/14, 02:44 pm

    That's just an unconfirmed report/rumour (the 700 surrendered), although there is a Ukr. unit in a semi-encirclement north of Shaktersk. There are artillery duels reported around the town.

    Apart from the large scale surrender in the south, it's been fairly quiet on the other sectors. The Militia expect an offensive from the N/NW of Donetsk and possibly another push towards Shaktersk. The next week or two will probably be decisive for this stage of the war because they can't afford this offensive to fail. I think the Junta have peaked in military terms....their mobilisation won't be able to replace properly their decimated regular units, so they have to try and finish off the rebelion while they still have the initiative.
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    Post  Vann7 05/08/14, 02:57 pm

    Holy shit.. Fyodor Berezin  (Strelkov’s Deputy) says the Ukie army lost about 1,000 soldiers in the area of Shakhtersk alone in recent days,and that is an Ocean of Blood..and that they are mostly conscripts , that kiev by force keep sending them to die in big numbers. and about 30 to 40 armored vehicles a day. and about 1,000 soldiers every 2 days in all the zones. thats not a small civil war but full scale war. Also talks about mercenaries from around the world.

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    Also there is mention that ,the Novoros forces believe that in the southern cauldron there are Polish mercenaries
    and other foreigners.. (perhaps americans.) and that ,is the reason that some of the trapped groups refuse to surrender .because of the scandal they crossing to Russia as refugees. If even half of the numbers are correct ,of Ukie casualties.. what we see is a real Genocide and kiev junta is sending them to die.. To make it impossible for Russia to ever fix their relations again with Ukraine ,after their parents being told that they were killed because of Russia arming of rebels.

    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.se/2014/08/ukraine-sitrep-by-gleb-bazov.html
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    Post  Vann7 05/08/14, 03:20 pm

    2 spanish mercenaries fighting for the Novorosiya forces tells their experience must see..






    and Pavel Gubarev told in aug 4 2014...

    What we are watching is a turning point in this war. We are confidently moving towards our victory. Ukrainian army is turning into nothing. All of them are surrendering, fleeing across the border into the Russian Federation, unwilling to fight.

    The mobilization is bogging down, fighting spirit waning; that is why I can assuredly predict: we will not only reach Kiev, we will reach Lviv, and we will strangle this scum in order for Ukrainians to forget about Bandera, Shukhevych and the integral Ukrainian Nationalism for another 3 or 4 hundred years.

    I must underline, that we are not fighting with Ukrainians – we are fighting with Ukrainian Nazis. These two mentalities differ greatly. That is why we appeal to the Ukrainians who had by ill fortune found themselves in the Ukrainian Army, or were forcibly mobilized: surrender and we will treat you with good will. Otherwise, desert the army. This is the best way out.

    As for those Ukrainian Nazis who with their pupils widened yelled “heil to heroes!” in Maidan – they are the above mentioned fascist scum, and they will not be spared!

    From now on we will do nothing but drive away the bastards. We will not allow making the land of Donbass a fracking field for Western companies***. We will not let them turn Donbass into a plundered desert. We want to see our region green, flourishing and rich. This is exactly what we are fighting for.
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    Post  Cyberspec 05/08/14, 06:07 pm

    Interesting. Thx.

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    Situation in Novorossiya

    Source: http://kot-ivanov.livejournal.com/

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt 05/08/14, 08:13 pm

    This is a clip showing the Nazi Su-25 that was shot down around Donetsk on 02 August 2014.

    Hope it's not a repost; can delete if it is.


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    Post  Flyingdutchman 05/08/14, 08:36 pm

    Ukraine have surrendered Donetsk ( says our media ).
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt 05/08/14, 08:46 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:Ukraine have surrendered Donetsk ( says our media ).

    If you meant "surrounded", then I think that item of "news" is not true.


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    Novorussian Grad at Work Against the Nazis Encircled at the Lugansk Airport

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    Post  Flyingdutchman 05/08/14, 09:34 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:Ukraine have surrendered Donetsk ( says our media ).

    If you meant "surrounded", then I think that item of "news" is not true.

    Yes i mean surroundered Wink
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    Post  arpakola 05/08/14, 09:52 pm


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    Post  arpakola 05/08/14, 11:30 pm

    as per 30th of July the following list is the claimed losses of the Ukranian army (Kiev side)
    Reference: Igor Panarin, political scientist, PhD in Psychology, Doctor of Political Sciences, member of the Academy of Military Sciences. Member of the Scientific and Methodological Council of the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation, a member of the Expert Council Committee on CIS Affairs of the RF Federation Council.
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    2.590 x dead from the right sector - NGU (National Guard of Ukraine)
    oficer Sergei Kulchitsky dead at Slavyansk at 29 May - 2014.
    Officer Radievsky dead, comander of "Chernigov - national guard" killed at Lisichanskon 21 July
    Officer Snitsar comander of the brigate Kirovograd killed at 23 July
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    2.150 X Ukranian mercenaries Dead of the IV Kolomoisky - Brigate,
    115 x officers of SBU (Ukrainian Security Service),
    The Sumy group of the Ukranian - Alpha Group completly destroyed .. also heavy casualties had the following units Alpha Group of Kiev, of Poltava, of Ternopol, of Ivano-Frankovsk, of Lvov, of Rovno, ofLutsk, of Volyn, of Vinnitsa, and of Zhitomi.
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    Further more 334 foreign mercenaries killed
    -139 from Polish group ASBS Othago”
    - 44 from US group “Greystone”
    - 125 from US group “Academi”
    - 26 from womens mercenaries "baltic snipers"
    - 25 officers of CIA and FBI (13 dead - 12 wounded)
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    Dead of the UKRANIAN regular army

    -200 x from the 95th air transported brigate Zhitomir
    - 480x from the 25th brigate Dnepropetrovsk
    - 490 x from the 79th air transported brigate Nikolayev
    -485x from the 24ης BTR brigate Yavorov, at Lvov Oblast
    - 190 x from the 80th air transported brigate from Lvov
    - 70 x man of sthe 3rd group of special forces (Spetsnaz) at Kirovograd
    - 30 x man of the 8th Spetsnaz at Khmelnitsky
    - 10 x men of the 72th brigate of Ukranian Spetsnaz (Minoborony Ukrainy) from Kiev
    - 190x men of the 93th brigate (Cherkasskoe, Novomoskovsk Raion, Dnepropetrovsk Oblast)
    -360x men of the 72th brigate (Belaya Tserkov, Kiev Oblast)
    - 110x στρατιώτες της 28ης ανεξάρτητης Ταξιαρχίας των Φρουρών (Chernomorskoe, Kominternov Raion, Odessa Oblast)
    - 100x στρατιώτες της 128ης ορεινής Ταξιαρχίας (Zakarpatskaya Oblast)
    - 100x men of peripheral security forces groups
    - 80x man 1st tank brigate (Goncharovskoe, Chernigov Oblast)
    - 55 x άνδρες του συνοριακού αποσπάσματος στο Lugansk
    - 50x άνδρες του συνοριακού αποσπάσματος στο Donetsk
    - 30x άνδρες της 51ης Ταξιαρχίας της στρατιωτικής Αεροπορίας της NGU (Aleksandriya, Kirovograd Oblast)
    - 35x στρατιώτες της 16ης Ταξιαρχίας της στρατιωτικής Αεροπορίας (Brody, Lvov Oblast)
    - 40x άνδρες της 831 Πτέρυγας της Αεροπορίας (Mirgorod, Poltava Oblast)
    - 5x στρατιώτες της 114 Πτέρυγας της Αεροπορίας (Ivano-Frankovsk, Ivano-Frankovsk Oblast)
    - 30 xάνδρες της 299 Πτέρυγας της Αεροπορίας (Nikolayev)
    - 9x crew of IL-76 members of the 25th air transport group
    - 5 xcrew members of the downed An-30at Chuguev (Kharkov Oblast) στις 6th July


    TOTAL = 9.321 dead or wounted , 20 POWs, 6.340 deserters!
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    As for the losses of the Ukranian army regarding HW
    1 unidentified aircraft at 30th of July
    2x An-26
    1 xAn-30
    2x Il-76
    16x Su-25 + 1 capctured at 7th July
    7 xSu-24
    5 x drones
    19x Mi-8/17/24
    185 x T-64
    7 x T-72
    1x“Bulat”
    5x Hummer
    1x Jeep
    19 x GAZ-66
    1 car
    1 x crain
    1x ZIL-131
    26x Ural
    29x Kamaz
    3 xUAZ-469
    3x Nona
    2 x 2S3 Akatsiya
    2 x ZU-23-2
    8x Grad
    6 xUragan
    23 x D-30
    17x mortars122 χλστ.
    103x BMP (ΤΟΜΑ)
    94 xBMD ( ΤΟΜΑ)
    211x BTR

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    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Novorussian Grad at Work Against the Nazis Encircled at the Lugansk Airport


    From the outside you would never expect those trucks to carry such a payload. That's a good barrage two of them alone can dish out.
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    Post  Vann7 06/08/14, 12:39 am



    The famous Nazi soldier that was captured..
    Seems they were starving for days without food and could not even talk.

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