The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

Flyingdutchman wrote:

i don't think FLydutch was trolling , he had a valid question..

Let me explain you flyD.

Russia export about 150 Billions cubic meter Gas to Europe every year.
Did you saw the deal $ 400 billions deal Russia Signed with China?  That was for only ~40billions cubic meter.. about
1/3 of Europe.. but the thing is , that it was only an introductory contract. China consume right now 170 bcm Gas.
And they buy it from abroad.. So all Russia needs to do ,to end their dependence of Europe is sell all their Gas to China..building pipelines to there. THe previous deal with china was for the eastern side of China..about 40 bcm gas.
There is now in discussion ANOTHER 30BCM for the western side of China.. now we have 40+30 =70Bcm. Not bad.
But there is more.. the needs of China for gas will only increase since they want to get rid of Coil that contaminates their environment. their own numbers estimate they will need about 3x times more Gas in the next decade.. So Russia will be there..  70 x 3 =210bcm at year that Russia could supply..  


This doesnt ends here.. Russia signed a not less than impressive contract with China for $270 billions of Oil for 15 years ,already signed in early 2013. and later in that same year they signed another $100 billions more. so keep
adding.  Then you have India saying they want a pipeline too.India all numbers estimate will become the third world largest economy in just 10 years. They are greatly undeveloped nation..with a lot of money. it means huge opportunities to make business there.. building Nuclear reactors and selling weapons Russia have big opportunities there.. and they also needs Gas and Oil..which now they buy from saudi Arabia but will prefer to buy from Russia if there was a pipeline.. something they are discussing now.. crossing China or any alternative route.

But that doesnt ends there. South Korea and Japan wants Gas from Russia too. Australia sells liquid Gas for $700 every 1000 cubic meter of Gas. Russia sells as low as $385 natural Gas. So the opportunity for Russia to expand in EuroAsia are Huge.. and means Russia could easily replace Europe for Asia in less than a decade and end selling more Gas and Oil than the one they selling now.  

THis is not including the Huge opportunities Russia have to make money ,bypassing Iran sanctions from US ,and selling weapons and nuclear reactors to them.. IRAN is also very very rich.. their money is not in currency but in energy.. IRAN simply pay Russia in Oil which they have a lot ,and later Russia sell it back to India.    Russia have oil too.. but the problem is transportation and delivery.. so this is why IRAN is a gold mine for Russia ,because Russia can easily replace Saudi Arabia business and become the main distributor of iranian Oil bypassing US sanctions on IRAN.  

So to effectively isolate Russia energy business , Obama can't do it. .Because they do not control EuroAsia.  They could pressure South Korea and japan but not going to happen. Neither i think US could effectively ban Russian gas from Europe.. because the Europeans other alternative is to pay 50% more for Liquid Natural Gas from US ,but also spend billions in building infrastructure to use the Liquid Gas.. because their countries are infrastructure is for natural gas,which they are not going to do. just because Obama says it.. he will be killed first ,assassinated before he can force Europe to commit suicide to their economies and banning themselves from buying Russian Gas.

This is the reason of the Middle east Syria war. The US state department was planning to build a pipeline from Qatar to Europe to isolate Russia.. but Qatar do not have the capabilities to supply as much gas as Europe needs and Russia can. The other alternative was Abkhazis Gas.. but is so little what they can produce and so expensive the pipeline that they have been unable to get investors for the plan. So Russian Gas will still be needed in Europe and now will be expanding into Asia. all said you cannot isolate Russia. Is too BIG their energy market and rare materials and cannot be replaced by any US sanctions.  In the next decade Russia have Huge opportunities to make Business not only in EuroAsia but also Latin America.  And China is taking by storm all Africa business.. So neither the west can isolate China.  The combination of Russia+ China + India and IRAN will be unstoppable. A Block that the west cannot break.. Russia having now Egypt ,Syria and IRAQ buying lots of their weapons is just a bonus.

The major losers will be US,Canada and australia.. because Rusia expansion in to Asia with is energy business means less sales for them of energy. Because North America is not connected by land to Asia or Europe (and the altantic ocean and pacific is very deep.. no pipelines possible),.Russia is connected. They are in a huge disadvantage to Russia energy market. And to make things worse Latin America have energy.. so US and Canada but also Australia in the long future will be doomed with a lot of energy and no one to sell it ,all because of Russia will take all their energy markets.  

There is also a prediction of water becoming the next Gold..and that there will be wars for water too ,with the climate changes and increase of the needs of energy ,that requires also water to produce it. Is also cool to know Russia have 80% of the world reserves of fresh water in the world.  Russia is probably the only nation in the world that have everything any nation needs for technology and people needs to survive too even the most difficult sanctions or climate changes. US have no Uranium or titanium , for example and buy it from Russia.  

In short Russia is a continent on its own.a Super energy power.and they have every thing from A to Z to survive and to develop its nation,even if all countries of the world stop trading with her ever. From the largest production of Wheat ,Water ,Gas and Oil and TImber.. and major exporters of Gold,Diamonds ,Steel and iron and uranium and vodka.    So they will be fine..

here is an interesting report of what many experts believe will happen in the future.. when fresh water will become an issue ,in Africa ,middle east but also Europe..since the increase in energy demands more fresh water.Russia will be there to the rescue too.   

Water pipeline from Russia to China? It's real!
Listen the very interesting small audio clip.

http://voiceofrussia.com/2010/08/02/14233229/

Situation in Novorossiya

Source: http://kot-ivanov.livejournal.com/

Haha.. check this.. Ukraine is saying will sanction Russia and blockade the Gas transit to Europe..   
So much the EU defending Ukraine and sanctioning Russia but now they could end being sanctioned by their
lovely nazis in kiev. and left cold on the winter.   

http://rt.com/business/178988-russia-ukraine-gas-transit/

Grab your popcorn because this will be interesting indeed.

and in other interested information.. learn how USA records of Kiev Newspapers ,the so called ukrainian today living in kiev ,did not called themselves Ukrainians but *Russian people* or Rusko people..This is the way editors of newspapers called themselves at that time. and Not Ukrainian people..   

If there is any more evidence needed that Ukrainians doesn't exist and they are all Russian people brainwashed by the west. with the exception of the city of LVOV that was part of Poland before 1918. Yes.. the city of LVOV is the same place from where the euromaidans and right sector neonazis comes and from where the US congress planned and financed a revolution. This is why Putin told that Ukraine was a Russian region.. because thats what it is.

http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3546-skolko-let-nazad-poyavilis-ukraincy.html

here is a tranlation to english , but not sure if work.

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3546-skolko-let-nazad-poyavilis-ukraincy.html&usg=ALkJrhjWi8eIPlRQZNaESofXHXUIQtP7NA


Ukraine is just a Native Russian land with Russian people..and their language today is a dialect of old Russian mixed with German and polish words.

here is what one commentator told about the subject that summarize all. what happened to Ukraine

Current Ukrainians - Ivana, not remembering kinship.
And all of this has led to the result that in these territories for centuries there was a transition of land from one state to another as a result of war or sharing agreements, propaganda and planting alien faith and breaking of Russian invaders, which led to the weathering of the Russian spirit and disappearance of the identity of Russians  [living in kiev] as Ukrainians

The brainwashing program and rewriting of history still continues today , the US covert programs promotes radical patriotism in Ukraine and teach them to sing songs pro Ukraine , and cheer glory to Ukraine as if was a religious thing. The white house spend hundreds of millions world wide in brainwashing society in nations that they do not control. with the intention to turn such group against the government in Power when the right times comes. this is what is called US secret armies ,they exist in every European nation and financed by them and they could be activated at any time ,that a Pro Russian government comes in power...  In Ukraine the white house finance Euromaidans and neonazis groups.. in China they finance Tibetans monks and muslins radicals..in Syria and IRAQ but also Egypt they financed the muslin brotherhood ,a sunni radical movement that is very compatible to Alqaeda ideologies. etc. If you live in Europe and you notice a very organized young radical group..that is well organized with nice cloth and colors singing songs..and visually hostile against foreigners and racist , probabilities is financed by US congress covert up programs is 100%.

@ Vann7

Grab some popcorn Indeed, the E.U is still busy freaking out about the current Russian sanctions and figuring how to get away with the political consequences with the average E.U citizen. that are mildly to say...pissed off about all of this. the E.U has no financial reserves to cope with just only the argricultural sanctions. not to mention the imploding agricultural industry thats going to destroy itself with its over-production.

when Ukraine shuts down the gas you can bet your ass that gas-pipe is going to be turned on by the E.U again, either by asking politely or by force. its august and temperatures are only going to go down from here.

  winter is coming   it ended Napoleon's army, it gave hell to the Nazi army in WW2, and its going to do a number on the E.U/Ukraine too unless they smarten up fast.

Airbornewolf wrote:@ Vann7

Grab some popcorn Indeed, the E.U is still busy freaking out about the current Russian sanctions and figuring how to get away with the political consequences with the average E.U citizen. that are mildly to say...pissed off about all of this. the E.U has no financial reserves to cope with just only the argricultural sanctions. not to mention the imploding agricultural industry thats going to destroy itself with its over-production.

when Ukraine shuts down the gas you can bet your ass that gas-pipe is going to be turned on by the E.U again, either by asking politely or by force. its august and temperatures are only going to go down from here.

  winter is coming   it ended Napoleon's army, it gave hell to the Nazi army in WW2, and its going to do a number on the E.U/Ukraine too unless they smarten up fast.

You know why I want EU to get destroyed? Because my friend I can't stand the stupidity of Greek decadent Muppet politicians let alone 27 other jackasses!
I increasingly feel sad living in occupied Europe. Starting from this winter I decided to settle exclusively between Geneva and Moscow.

Hannibal Barca wrote:

Airbornewolf wrote:@ Vann7

Grab some popcorn Indeed, the E.U is still busy freaking out about the current Russian sanctions and figuring how to get away with the political consequences with the average E.U citizen. that are mildly to say...pissed off about all of this. the E.U has no financial reserves to cope with just only the argricultural sanctions. not to mention the imploding agricultural industry thats going to destroy itself with its over-production.

when Ukraine shuts down the gas you can bet your ass that gas-pipe is going to be turned on by the E.U again, either by asking politely or by force. its august and temperatures are only going to go down from here.

  winter is coming   it ended Napoleon's army, it gave hell to the Nazi army in WW2, and its going to do a number on the E.U/Ukraine too unless they smarten up fast.

You know why I want EU to get destroyed? Because my friend I can't stand the stupidity of Greek decadent Muppet politicians let alone 27 other jackasses!
I increasingly feel sad living in occupied Europe. Starting from this winter I decided to settle exclusively between Geneva and Moscow.

This conflict in Ukraine have one major opportunity ..and that is the Independence of Europe. If they follow US sanctions demands ,to cut everything , they will for sure damage Russia economy but will also seriously damage theirs more than Russia.. and Russia in the near Future can replace the EU and other business they doing.
SO if Europe choose to destroy their economies that could provoke countries leaving the EU..that could be a chain reaction and totally destroy it.

The EU are simply asking an impossible to Russia. To abandon their Russian people in Ukraine and allow Nazis and US to start militarizing Ukraine for the real war.. the war against Crimea and Russia ,a proxy war with Mercenaries from all Europe and prisoners from jails from all europe in the front line With NATO fully arming them. Syria 2.0 if you want to call it. but with neo NAzis instead of alqaeda. And the goal is the same Economic War.. not to win because they can't win Russia ,but to maintain the Russian army forever invading Ukraine.

On other news.. Pictures from the southern cauldron.. the militia claim captured ~70 pieces of military equipment ,tanks ,Apc ,including 18 new grad artillery.


http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3560-razgrom.html

and here a nice summary of today..  august 8 2014..  (in Russian)

http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3543-voyna-na-yugo-vostoke-onlayn-08082014-hronika-sobytiy-post-obnovlyaetsya.html

Im using google translate that appears to work abit.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvoicesevas.ru&edit-text=

Vann7 wrote:

Hannibal Barca wrote:

Airbornewolf wrote:@ Vann7

Grab some popcorn Indeed, the E.U is still busy freaking out about the current Russian sanctions and figuring how to get away with the political consequences with the average E.U citizen. that are mildly to say...pissed off about all of this. the E.U has no financial reserves to cope with just only the argricultural sanctions. not to mention the imploding agricultural industry thats going to destroy itself with its over-production.

when Ukraine shuts down the gas you can bet your ass that gas-pipe is going to be turned on by the E.U again, either by asking politely or by force. its august and temperatures are only going to go down from here.

  winter is coming   it ended Napoleon's army, it gave hell to the Nazi army in WW2, and its going to do a number on the E.U/Ukraine too unless they smarten up fast.

You know why I want EU to get destroyed? Because my friend I can't stand the stupidity of Greek decadent Muppet politicians let alone 27 other jackasses!
I increasingly feel sad living in occupied Europe. Starting from this winter I decided to settle exclusively between Geneva and Moscow.

This conflict in Ukraine have one major opportunity ..and that is the Independence of Europe. If they follow US sanctions demands ,to cut everything , they will for sure damage Russia economy but will also seriously damage theirs more than Russia.. and Russia in the near Future can replace the EU and other business they doing.
SO if Europe choose to destroy their economies that could provoke countries leaving the EU..that could be a chain reaction and totally destroy it.

The are simply asking an impossible to Russia. To abandon their Russian people in Ukraine and allow Nazis and US to start militarizing Ukraine for the real war.. the war against Russia ,a proxy war with Mercenaries from all Europe and prisoners from jails from all europe in the front line. And the goal is the same Economic War.. not to win but to
maintain the Russian army forever inside Ukraine.

On other news.. Pictures from the southern cauldron.. the militia claim captured ~70 pieces of military equipment ,tanks ,Apc ,including 18 new grad artillery.


http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3560-razgrom.html

and here a nice summary of today..  august 8 2014..  (in Russian)

http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3543-voyna-na-yugo-vostoke-onlayn-08082014-hronika-sobytiy-post-obnovlyaetsya.html

Im using google translate that appears to work abit.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvoicesevas.ru&edit-text=

Of course the ultimate goal for us the remaining sane and sovereign people in Europe is to liberate ourselves from the American occupation going on since 1945.
But it will not be easy and it will not come cheap. Russians in Ukraine shed blood and they will lose more blood in Ukraine and in the Baltics and elsewhere to regain their rights so
harshly taken by mindless, arrogant and short sighted politicians and electorate bodies.
We will have to spill our own blood inevitably to get the Yankees out of our countries, our societies, our economies, our cultures. Not a shred of a doubt...

Airbornewolf wrote:@ Vann7

Grab some popcorn Indeed, the E.U is still busy freaking out about the current Russian sanctions and figuring how to get away with the political consequences with the average E.U citizen. that are mildly to say...pissed off about all of this. the E.U has no financial reserves to cope with just only the argricultural sanctions. not to mention the imploding agricultural industry thats going to destroy itself with its over-production.

when Ukraine shuts down the gas you can bet your ass that gas-pipe is going to be turned on by the E.U again, either by asking politely or by force. its august and temperatures are only going to go down from here.

  winter is coming   it ended Napoleon's army, it gave hell to the Nazi army in WW2, and its going to do a number on the E.U/Ukraine too unless they smarten up fast.

well euro economy is 17 trillion vs russia 2,2 trill.
but both lose-lose on this so i do not rejoice.

navyfield wrote:
well euro economy is 17 trillion vs russia 2,2 trill.
but both lose-lose on this so i do not rejoice.

EU GDP today in 2014 is 0.3% grow.

Means there is not grow at all. and there are many nations in near bankrupt in EU ,any small change in the economy ,like Russian agriculture ban on EU, will provoke EU to enter in recession . and that will scare potential investors. This will also provoke either the EU to finance another country or they to break from the EU . The second one will be very negative because could provoke others to follow. The major economies like Germany
and France will not be as much hurt as others.. but Southern Europe and Baltic states will suffer.  Italy is already
on recession to give you an example.. So is not much about How much you produce ,there are millionaires that have gone bankrupt overnight.  

Baltic States economies will suffer  by Russian sanctions on agriculture. And if Russia ban that SIberian Airspace to western international flights , All US and EU airlines that travel from Europe to Asia will lose many hundreds of Thousands jobs lost. And such measures will not affect much Russia. This also will affect dramatically Europe Tourism from Asia .This will be a Big Knockout to western economies and without touching the energy that Russia business that Russia and the EU depends.. This neither include sanctions on technology and Automobiles that Russia export every year from US and EU. In case of a total economic war.. Russia can freeze the assets of EU and US in their territory.. and not pay the near $US 800 billion debt they have with the American banks ,money they used to build pipelines to Europe.  So thats near 1 trillion dollar that Russia will save and that US banks will lose.  

Here is a good report that you should read.. about Russian sanctions against the EU.


http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.se/2014/08/you-wanna-be-uncle-sams-bitch-pay-price.html

hey nobody is a bitch to anyone .i have my own indenpendent mind, like i said its lose-lose.
i was against starting this whole sanctions bussines model , the US deviously dragged EU into it gradually first with some individuals then corporations and now whole sectors....its a tragedy for common people.
I agree 17 trill eu economy is mostly vapourware (banking) ,while russian gdp is rock solid industry and resourses.

navyfield wrote:hey nobody is a bitch to anyone .i have my own indenpendent mind, like i said its lose-lose.
i was against starting this whole sanctions bussines model , the US deviously dragged EU into it gradually first with some individuals then corporations and now whole sectors....its a tragedy for common people.
I agree 17 trill eu economy is mostly vapourware (banking) ,while russian gdp is rock solid industry and resourses.

Thats the title of the link..  not calling you bitch.. LOL


on other news..

New reports surfaces NATO through Ukraine is looking to create a conflict a major conflict/war in Transnistria.
a PRO Russian territory tha is between Moldova and western-north of Odessa. They like Crimea for decades wants to be part of Russia. They Ukie army is already digging a very large trench alongside the transmitia region and take by force the territory.

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/744195

And this makes a lot of sense ,because NATO in retaliation for Russia supporting novorrosiya ,is planning now to provoke a major conflict in this zone..




And Ukrane-NATO will use the violence created by them to start a major war in the zone and return by force
under total control of Moldova the Transnistria autonomous territory.

So what new attacks on Russia , the demons from hell.. people know as NATO are planning/discussing ?

1) A new false flag attack killing many civilians in Ukraine blaming the novorossiya forces..
2) A missile attack on a chemical plant in Lugansk or the use of chemical weapons supplied by NATO against them.
3) Creating a major violence event in Transnistria involving Ukraine and removing the autonomous zone by force.
4) They also planning to provoke a major war between Armenia that is a protectorate of Russia and azerbaijan over the region of Nagorno-Karabakh ,that azerbaijan claims is their. Already tensions high and border guards wounded from both sides.



The main goal is always the same ,sabotage Russia world image and damage its economy by they having to restore order there.

Any of this four events sooner or later will happen ..or perhaps all of them , while the Ukraine war continues.. and Obama continue arming Alqaeda in Syria and in IRAQ . The question is When all this will happen? i predict very soon.. withing Days ,weeks of couple of months or more. What is interesting is that Transnistria have been at peace in more than a decade and now Ukraine amassing Troops at the border with them..and digging a many kilometers long trench.

And today in Sochi Azerbaijani and Armenian Presidents meet to try to find a solution in the conflict.. There was also a conflict in other 2 former soviet republics near afganistan with border guards violence too.  Is Any of this coincidence? That all former soviet republics explode in Violence? No.. not at all. This is just working as intended.

What is also Interesting.. is that if a major civil war start in kiev.. because the economy collapse ..and the nation disband.. the first thing to look will be..

1)Ukraine Nuclear reactors.. sabotage by the west.. If ukraine not theirs ,then they will destroy it.
2) Odessa.. if Ukraine government disband and army disband ,the first thing Russia will do is secure Odessa Port
and unite Transnistria with Odessa all the way to the border of ROmania so that they have access to the sea that today they don't. Of course Moldova will want a piece of the cake too.. and same with ROmania. So it will be truly a mini world world war in that zone.  For taking a part of Ukraine territory. Poland will take Lvov , Belarus all the north and Russia will take all east of ukraine not just Donetsk and lugansk and all the south.

All said the ukraine conflict will trigger a major war if disband and its economy collapse for control of territory.
Not very different to the collapse of the soviet Union..

Russian court arrests five Ukrainian servicemen suspected of crimes against civilians

ROSTOV-ON-DON, August 08, /ITAR-TASS/. The Krasnosulinsky district court in Russia’s southern Rostov region arrested five Ukrainian officers on Friday. They are suspected of using prohibited means of warfare and shelling the Russian territory, the court said.
The officers including battalion commander of Ukraine’s 72 mechanized brigades Ivan Voitenko, his deputy Vitaly Dubinyak, tank battalion commander Alexander Polyakov, battalion chief of staff Alexander Okhrimenko and company commander Dmitry Ustilko crossed the Russian border together with more than 400 Ukrainian servicemen on August 3.
All of them, according to investigators, admit the fact of using various weapons but they have denied using it against peaceful civilians.
Vladimir Markin, a spokesperson for the Russian Investigation Committee, said on Friday that the servicemen from Voitenko’s battalion testified he had ordered the use of heavy offensive weapons against the towns of Krasnopartizansk and Krasnodon in the Lugansk region that lasted from July 19 to August 3.  As a result, at least ten civilians were killed or wounded.

Investigators are also checking information on whether the 72nd motorized brigade used phosphorous bombs against civilians and was linked to shelling the Russian territory.
Earlier on Friday, Markin said the detained Ukrainian servicemen could hardly have imagined when they were heading to carry out a punitive operation in Eastern Ukraine in nationalistic frenzy that they would have to answer for their crimes sooner or later.
“Instead of jubilations on Maidan in their honor and all the promised (military) decorations, they will face a trial, a sentence and ultimately a fair punishment,” Markin stressed.

One of the significant aspects of the very minuscule amount of help Russia is giving Novorossiya. An early "Nuremberg"?

Vann7 wrote:
They Ukie army is already digging a very large trench alongside the transmitia region and take by force the territory.

Vann7,

Do you know where is the exact location that the ditch is being dug at? Do you have a map of it?

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Do you know where is the exact location that the ditch is being dug at? Do you have a map of it?

Don't know but read somewhere that it was a many km long trench along Transnitia border. IF you look at Odessa
map.. a little to the left you will see some more territory bordering Romania. in that tiny piece of land ,that territory landlock Moldova and transnitia .So if Kiev Disband as it will do ,like soviet union did ..ie.. no money no territory.
The that piece of land between Romania border to Odessa city will become a warzone between no less than 3 factions or 4 if Russia intervene or 5 if NATO.  

Ukraine losing odessa and perhaps kherson will means NATO can say goodbye to any refueling port. But more important if Pro Russian factions control odessa it will be huge because transintia that is a pro Soviet communist land will for once have access to the sea and a huge boost for their economy. So carefully watch odessa ,that will be the most fight territory  if/when Ukraine collapse.   others small wars you could see if Ukraine disband is hungary vs Poland vs Belarus for control of as much territory of the west of ukraine as possible.  And then the major wars for territory ,will trigger others wars in many other places ,since nations will want to take advantage of media being very busy with Ukraine..

Vann7 wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Do you know where is the exact location that the ditch is being dug at? Do you have a map of it?

Don't know but read somewhere that it was a many km long trench along Transnitia border. IF you look at Odessa
map.. a little to the left you will see some more territory bordering Romania. in that tiny piece of land ,that territory landlock Moldova and transnitia .So if Kiev Disband as it will do ,like soviet union did ..ie.. no money no territory.
The that piece of land between Romania border to Odessa city will become a warzone between no less than 3 factions or 4 if Russia intervene or 5 if NATO.  

Ukraine losing odessa and perhaps kherson will means NATO can say goodbye to any refueling port. But more important if Pro Russian factions control odessa it will be huge because transintia that is a pro Soviet communist land will for once have access to the sea and a huge boost for their economy. So carefully watch odessa ,that will be the most fight territory  if/when Ukraine collapse.   others small wars you could see if Ukraine disband is hungary vs Poland vs Belarus for control of as much territory of the west of ukraine as possible.  And then the major wars for territory ,will trigger others wars in many other places ,since nations will want to take advantage of media being very busy with Ukraine..

I am actually interested about the exact location of the ditch that is being dug.

I had heard about it. I thought the fascists were digging it so that they can "prevent" the movement of Transdniestrian forces into western regions of the fascist-occupied Ukraine.

No idea where is.. other that near the border of transitia.

In other news the best summary/report of MH17 downed plane. The government of malasya owned
major english newspapers are pointing fingers at kiev of doing it.. The information is very very strong
against Kiev.. the first investigators that came with OSCE at the crash scene report that saw the cannon gun holes in the plane. A Buk missile cannot do that.  They believe the plane was hit by a military plane first a small air to air missile and later finished with Cannon gun fire. that will be very easy to proof with a microscope of Cannon gun fire
damage aluminun and steel.

https://my.news.yahoo.com/us-analysts-conclude-mh17-downed-002021930.html

This is why Ukraine show no interest to cooperate with the investigation and try to reach the crash site to take control of it.  The ukraine airforce shoot the plane and now you see the lack of cooperation of kiev in helping the investigators.

Im wondering if FP and TR1 will still blame Russia or novorrosya fighters for downing the plane.  and claim
Russia is doing something wrong .  

Vann7 wrote:
Im wondering if FP and TR1 will still blame Russia or novorrosya fighters for downing the plane.  and claim
Russia is doing something wrong .  

Actually, a few posts up, I was thinking about talking exactly about "opinions" like those of FP and TR1's.

I bet Pro EU fans will see nothing wrong with kiev actions ,and that Russia should just look to the sides and ignore
the Indiscriminately shelling on cities they have the rights to defend "their territory"
no? Here is a video of Ukraine army shelling on a city .. killed an entire family with what appear to be
women and children totally burned.

graphic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLalSgqJyLU

Here is another video.. (warning extremely graphic ,you are warned). of what appear to be NeoNazis conboy destroyed when tried to enter a rebel city. and total mess and their light armored vehicles totally destroyed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1-b-qIH1K0

Vann7 wrote:

Flyingdutchman wrote:

i don't think FLydutch was trolling , he had a valid question..

Let me explain you flyD.

Russia export about 150 Billions cubic meter Gas to Europe every year.
Did you saw the deal $ 400 billions deal Russia Signed with China?  That was for only ~40billions cubic meter.. about
1/3 of Europe.. but the thing is , that it was only an introductory contract. China consume right now 170 bcm Gas.
And they buy it from abroad.. So all Russia needs to do ,to end their dependence of Europe is sell all their Gas to China..building pipelines to there. THe previous deal with china was for the eastern side of China..about 40 bcm gas.
There is now in discussion ANOTHER 30BCM for the western side of China.. now we have 40+30 =70Bcm. Not bad.
But there is more.. the needs of China for gas will only increase since they want to get rid of Coil that contaminates their environment. their own numbers estimate they will need about 3x times more Gas in the next decade.. So Russia will be there..  70 x 3 =210bcm at year that Russia could supply..  


This doesnt ends here.. Russia signed a not less than impressive contract with China for $270 billions of Oil for 15 years ,already signed in early 2013. and later in that same year they signed another $100 billions more. so keep
adding.  Then you have India saying they want a pipeline too.India all numbers estimate will become the third world largest economy in just 10 years. They are greatly undeveloped nation..with a lot of money. it means huge opportunities to make business there.. building Nuclear reactors and selling weapons Russia have big opportunities there.. and they also needs Gas and Oil..which now they buy from saudi Arabia but will prefer to buy from Russia if there was a pipeline.. something they are discussing now.. crossing China or any alternative route.

But that doesnt ends there. South Korea and Japan wants Gas from Russia too. Australia sells liquid Gas for $700 every 1000 cubic meter of Gas. Russia sells as low as $385 natural Gas. So the opportunity for Russia to expand in EuroAsia are Huge.. and means Russia could easily replace Europe for Asia in less than a decade and end selling more Gas and Oil than the one they selling now.  

THis is not including the Huge opportunities Russia have to make money ,bypassing Iran sanctions from US ,and selling weapons and nuclear reactors to them.. IRAN is also very very rich.. their money is not in currency but in energy.. IRAN simply pay Russia in Oil which they have a lot ,and later Russia sell it back to India.    Russia have oil too.. but the problem is transportation and delivery.. so this is why IRAN is a gold mine for Russia ,because Russia can easily replace Saudi Arabia business and become the main distributor of iranian Oil bypassing US sanctions on IRAN.  

So to effectively isolate Russia energy business , Obama can't do it. .Because they do not control EuroAsia.  They could pressure South Korea and japan but not going to happen. Neither i think US could effectively ban Russian gas from Europe.. because the Europeans other alternative is to pay 50% more for Liquid Natural Gas from US ,but also spend billions in building infrastructure to use the Liquid Gas.. because their countries are infrastructure is for natural gas,which they are not going to do. just because Obama says it.. he will be killed first ,assassinated before he can force Europe to commit suicide to their economies and banning themselves from buying Russian Gas.

This is the reason of the Middle east Syria war. The US state department was planning to build a pipeline from Qatar to Europe to isolate Russia.. but Qatar do not have the capabilities to supply as much gas as Europe needs and Russia can. The other alternative was Abkhazis Gas.. but is so little what they can produce and so expensive the pipeline that they have been unable to get investors for the plan. So Russian Gas will still be needed in Europe and now will be expanding into Asia. all said you cannot isolate Russia. Is too BIG their energy market and rare materials and cannot be replaced by any US sanctions.  In the next decade Russia have Huge opportunities to make Business not only in EuroAsia but also Latin America.  And China is taking by storm all Africa business.. So neither the west can isolate China.  The combination of Russia+ China + India and IRAN will be unstoppable. A Block that the west cannot break.. Russia having now Egypt ,Syria and IRAQ buying lots of their weapons is just a bonus.

The major losers will be US,Canada and australia.. because Rusia expansion in to Asia with is energy business means less sales for them of energy. Because North America is not connected by land to Asia or Europe (and the altantic ocean and pacific is very deep.. no pipelines possible),.Russia is connected. They are in a huge disadvantage to Russia energy market. And to make things worse Latin America have energy.. so US and Canada but also Australia in the long future will be doomed with a lot of energy and no one to sell it ,all because of Russia will take all their energy markets.  

There is also a prediction of water becoming the next Gold..and that there will be wars for water too ,with the climate changes and increase of the needs of energy ,that requires also water to produce it. Is also cool to know Russia have 80% of the world reserves of fresh water in the world.  Russia is probably the only nation in the world that have everything any nation needs for technology and people needs to survive too even the most difficult sanctions or climate changes. US have no Uranium or titanium , for example and buy it from Russia.  

In short Russia is a continent on its own.a Super energy power.and they have every thing from A to Z to survive and to develop its nation,even if all countries of the world stop trading with her ever. From the largest production of Wheat ,Water ,Gas and Oil and TImber.. and major exporters of Gold,Diamonds ,Steel and iron and uranium and vodka.    So they will be fine..

here is an interesting report of what many experts believe will happen in the future.. when fresh water will become an issue ,in Africa ,middle east but also Europe..since the increase in energy demands more fresh water.Russia will be there to the rescue too.   

Water pipeline from Russia to China? It's real!
Listen the very interesting small audio clip.

http://voiceofrussia.com/2010/08/02/14233229/

Thanks you for your answer .
It is indeed a nice and interesting clip.

LOL... a US Virginia class Submarine was located by the northen fleet ,near Russian border and chased for half an hour.. No so stealthy eh for Russian Sonars?   

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/744227

Apparently there is not many good news on the battlefront.. The Donetsk city is now surrounded and its cut off from Lugansk its seems. The fights will be now street by street.


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http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3562-voyna-na-yugo-vostoke-onlayn-09082014-hronika-sobytiy-post-obnovlyaetsya.html

the Google translation is not very good.. but you can understand some things..

https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/http%3A%2F%2Fvoicesevas.ru

Update..
Well it looks like the ukie army managed to enter Donetsk through the south a zone they call "Red Ray".. putting
in serious danger their entire Donetsk whole operation.. but the reinforcements that came from the Southern Cauldron with their new shinny new equipment came right on time to push them back beyond the outskirts.. apparently the ukie army sustaining heavy losses. it was Panic moment for the novorosiya forces.. and even though they kicked the ukie army from the city ,there is no room for relaxing since the fight still continue ... here is the Google translation

Setting Donetsk postponed.
This morning there was an operational crisis, armored group of the 24th mechanized brigade on the night of 7 to 8 August slipped to Miusinsku, and in the morning on August 9 ousted from Miusinska, broke into the Red Ray, retreated from the unstable part of the militia units. At the same time through Faschevku and Vakhrushevo by Debalcevo followed unlocking kick reinforced armored group. As a result, for dinner on August 9 with the coming out of the boiler parts and unlocking a group of the enemy was up to 30 tanks and about the same BMP / armored vehicles and infantry up to 700 people.
But the remnants of the garrison of the Red Ray showed true heroism winning several important hours that allowed promptly bring up reinforcements from the LC and the DNI and reverse the crisis situation in favor of the militia, the enemy began to supplant the city, helped by a small amount of fuel and ammunition from erupting residues 24th Ombre . Currently in the process of overcoming the crisis. Now part of the erupting group pushed to the south-west of the Red Ray. Fighting continues.


The situation was actually close to the critical and really hung over Donetsk threat to the environment, but at the moment like nothing happened. Nevertheless, you should not relax, the crisis has not been overcome and the risk for communication Donetsk retained. but appears that one cossack battalion allowed the kiev army to enter
a city without much fight. So far situation looks very delicate now for Donetsk city fighters since have the enemy inside. Streets vs Streets battles is not good place for artillery or tanks either operations.. So mostly it will be numbers and tactics what will win.

Some observations..
For me Its pretty obvious at this time ,that the Kiev Junta (which some members here support..because they told ,"my gov is doing something wrong" .plans to settle the conflict is through force ,no matter the cost in human lives , even if that means millions killed withing military or civilians women and children. Is a total full scale war ,fueled by NATO financial and military support to kiev ,and they throwing everything they have.. including giving weapons to elder people who can walk and sent to the war. That does not surprise me in any way. The US congress paid $5billions for nothing to overthrow Yakunovych and will never give up on Ukraine Never!!! ,until there is serious consequences for their actions ,that the EU demands they to stop supporting kiev or that they will break up relations. Or a coup in kiev which will be the most favorable thing to happen.  Or that the Fat Lazy americans protest their government in the millions ,paralize their government and hell freeze.  So Russia needs to be ready for a long war regardless if the Novorosiya forces win or not. Because if they lose and flee to Russia ,the kiev junta will start an ethnic cleansin of civilians and start concentration "rehabilitations" camps until they provoke Russia to invade. Mark my words after they finish with eastern ukraine the rebels,Crimea will be next..the goal of course there will be different ,they have no chance to take it.. but still they can make miserable their lives as much as possible with artillery attacks across the border or ballistic missiles to terrorize civilians and destroy Tourism and forcing Russia to invade. Is an economic war after all the major goal. Im Sure many of NATO demons will have no problem to empty their Jails across all europe ,give a weapon to them and send them to fight in eastern Ukraine. This is exactly what they did in Syria.. many of the jihadist that Obamna and Saudi Arabia was funding came from Middle east jails. Real criminals and with support for Alqaeda. This is why you saw Jihadist cannibals and they doing all unthinkable things to civilians women and children. US And its Most Loyal Nato allies ,its leadership is truly a representation of the most perverse humanity that society that can produce. People that provide weapons to 100,000 foreign Jihadist as they did in Syria  friendly to Alqaeda to destroy a nation ,and kill millions cannot be called in any other way. NATO will fight Russia until the last blood of ukrainians and only when they wakeup or overthrow their government the war will be over. Im amazed how the European Union tolerate elect such criminals as leaders.. Is not surprising from US Gov they always were purely EVIL ,same with UK and France ,but most of the EU leaders was not that way. And now they cooperate with the international organized crime that represent NATO.

What we witness in the world today is a criminal mafia western elite ,that have hostage the entire world at gun point. And Russia is the only one standing to counter them.Now it doesn't matter if Nation crash civilian planes with hundreds of passengers against buildings to justify a war. It doesn't matter if they openly finance and arm Terrorist organizations and nazis to overthrow governments. It doesn' matter if their allies celebrate the killing of children in cameras.. as Israel does.That bomb even schools of United Nations with children inside Two Times and no single sanction against them. Without that inconditional EU support to them ,it will have been IMPOSSIBLE for that criminal elite to continue terrorizing the world as they are doing in the middle east ,and now in eastern Europe.

try the english captions in the video..but not sure if they are accurate.


So basically the Novorrosiya forces are holding but not in an optimal way,the intensity have increased dramatically ,the ukie army is breaking inside Donetsk at times and then pushed back and the ukie airforce is attacking all vital infrastructure for civilians and militia survival  ,trains ,Electricity ,Gas ,food and water. Russia will need very soon to send humanitarian help to Donetsk and Lugansk or there could be an humanitarian disaster for civilians and militia performance dramatically change negatively.  IT also looks that the Ukie army have orders to rush everything at any cost.. so they sending armor and soldiers no matter the risk. And the price they are paying for any progress is questionable. They losing too many armored units and tanks in every assault.Seems as if the commander of the ukie army have a gun on his head and being told to win the war now or die. Clearly the Rebels needs more help.. because holding is not enough ,they need to be on the offensive and have the Ukie army in full retreat .

Vann7 wrote:

What we witness in the world today is a criminal mafia western elite ,that have hostage the entire world at gun point. And Russia is the only one standing to counter them.Now it doesn't matter if Nation crash civilian planes with hundreds of passengers against buildings to justify a war. It doesn't matter if they openly finance and arm Terrorist organizations and nazis to overthrow governments. It doesn' matter if their allies celebrate the killing of children in cameras.. as Israel does.That bomb even schools of United Nations with children inside Two Times and no single sanction against them. Without that inconditional EU support to them ,it will have been IMPOSSIBLE for that criminal elite to continue terrorizing the world as they are doing in the middle east ,and now in eastern Europe.

Stop with your bullshit.
The "evil" west and the "evil" US, are the only one that do something About ISIS ( those guys that Shell cities, and kill everyone that doesn't believe in the Same or believe something at all ).
They even kill CHILDREN, they push people back to a mountain and let them starve to DEATH!!
And NO ONE is doing something!!

But the US is doing it!!
FRANCE is doing it!!
THE WEST IS DOING IT!!

And Russia is doing NOTHING, NOT A FUCKING THING!! ( don't start About the delivery of fighters that iraqi's can barely fly ).

Russia doesn't give a fuck About the people tht are starring yet.
But when the whole world starts to give logistical supplies, THEN Russia willndo something.

But they won't take the LEAD, in something that MATTERS TO THE WORLD!!!

AND THE WEST DOES IT!!!!!!!

The entire Arab spring dude have been fully welcomed by NATO.. either directly or indirectly. it was not a fight
for "freedom or democracy". but civil wars promoted by the west.. US and its major allies to remove form power
any government that was was supportive of Russia and IRAN. All EU Nations without exception backup US actions in Syria ,by supporting sanctions in Assad for defending their nations from an alqaeda invasion. They also backup US actions in Ukraine and sanctions Russia.. If you cooperate with Crime being comited against any country ,you are also responsible for that people suffering.  Now NATO is on Ukraine and supporting Nazis.. and none of the EU countries says anything.. they just sanction Russia for "their actions in Ukraine" . When is USA the one that is fueling the violence and rejecting Russia demands for a cease of fire and solve things diplomatically.  ISIS who are isis/ They are the same terrorist that Obama supplied weapons in Syria.. they all armed with American weapons. Is not coincidence , is not a mistake is working as intended. The western Neocon elite is trying to isolate Russia from the middle east and europe. as simple as that.. thats what is all about this endless violence. To isolate Russia influence in the world and weaken its economy.  Is not about they caring about Ukraine nazis democracy .. or "freedom".

Canada just recently sent 5 million to Kiev so they can continue their criminal war in eastern ukraine ,that indiscriminately bomb civilians women and children in cities. and again US action against ISIS is just a SHOW..
ISIS is an Israeli operation. And they enter in Syria not by teleporting machines ,but by Turkey.. and form Syria
they enter in IRAQ.  IF USA really wanted to end ISIS.. they will warn Turkey to close its border and stop supporting them. What kind of joke is that US bomb them in IRAQ (not for free ,IRAQ needs to pay for the help"
but in the other hand they give weapon to them in Syria? or allow them to reorganize in Turkey?
There are photos of ISIS leaders with the son of Pm Erdogan.. ISIS is an israeli-Saudi Operation and you are fooled by US noble show of bombing in IRAQ is just a show to try to clean their image of supporting terrorism.
The whole thing in the middle east is about isolating Russia and IRAN. and partition IRAQ and Syria and later IRAN.
Later develop a pipeline of gas to europe to counter Russia energy business there.