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    Post  Flyingdutchman Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:57 pm

    And now somebody start telling me WHY you call ukrainians nazi's?
    Is that because of Some neo-nazi groups fought against that pro-russian criminal?
    The Same groups were this week removed from Kiev by KIEV forces so kiev doesn't even support those groups THEY WANT THEM TO LEAVE.
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:59 pm

    Israel is ISIS?!!!?!?! Hahahahahha HOLY SHIT.
    You're sick man.

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    Post  Vann7 Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:02 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:Israel is ISIS?!!!?!?! Hahahahahha HOLY SHIT.
    You're sick man.  

    Yep.. not crazy..
    Hold..will look for the report.. Israeli support anyone ,even the same devil if they can use them against
    their enemies.

    Go look here.. ISIS with Turkey PM erdogan son..  Turkey a NATO member is giving refuge to Isis in their borders.
    and from there they attack Syria and IRAQ.  ISIS which is the FSA after it disbanded are the so called "moderates"
    that Obama was arming. ISIS fighters are also in Golan Heights  south of Syria and Israel have there an hospital and a center of operation for them.. to infiltrate in Syria..

    here look ergodan Son aiding ISIS leaders.. ( very graphic warning)
    http://friendsofsyria.co/2014/06/16/erdogans-sons-with-isiss-leaders-so-you-see-erdogans-regime-isnt-aiding-terrorists-theyre-terrorists/

    You really think that US Gov is not really aware of Turkey and Israel cooperation with the terrorist organization ISIS? LOL .. You really believe that obama was aiding good guys in Syria? No dude. US is aiding alqaeda. and banderas radicals in Ukraine too. They always hire the lowest human beings in any country to work for them .

    of course they know.. is a hoax their help to IRAQ.  a total fraud.. because if they wanted to really end terrorism they will isolate Turkey and also Saudi Arabia from the world and demand to shut down all refuges for ISIS and other jihadist groups fighting in Syria. They will also demand Israel and Jordan to shutdown their military training camps for the terrorist fighting in Syria. but so far nothing.. what you get from US and their mafia allies of NATO is sanctions against Russia and sanctions against its allies.

    Here reports of Turkey prime minister Erdogan meetings with Alqaeda banker..

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article181671.html

    US is not against terrorism dude. They exist thanks to the west.. Because is far more cheaper to use mercenaries radicals that no one than to use your real armies to invade countries. Only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama use radical mercenaries for the same objectives.. while Bush used their official armies.


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    Post  Flyingdutchman Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:04 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:Israel is ISIS?!!!?!?! Hahahahahha HOLY SHIT.
    You're sick man.  

    Yep.. not crazy..
    Hold..will look for the report.. Israeli support anyone ,even the same devil if they can use them against
    their enemies.

    Not sure About that buddy...
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    Post  Werewolf Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:19 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    What we witness in the world today is a criminal mafia western elite ,that have hostage the entire world at gun point. And Russia is the only one standing to counter them.Now it doesn't matter if Nation crash civilian planes with hundreds of passengers against buildings to justify a war. It doesn't matter if they openly finance and arm Terrorist organizations and nazis to overthrow governments. It doesn' matter if their allies celebrate the killing of children in cameras.. as Israel does.That bomb even schools of United Nations with children inside Two Times and no single sanction against them. Without that inconditional EU support to them ,it will have been IMPOSSIBLE for that criminal elite to continue terrorizing the world as they are doing in the middle east ,and now in eastern Europe.

    Stop with your bullshit.
    The "evil" west and the "evil" US, are the only one that do something About ISIS ( those guys that Shell cities, and kill everyone that doesn't believe in the Same or believe something at all ).
    They even kill CHILDREN, they push people back to a mountain and let them starve to DEATH!!
    And NO ONE is doing something!!

    But the US is doing it!!
    FRANCE is doing it!!
    THE WEST IS DOING IT!!

    And Russia is doing NOTHING, NOT A FUCKING THING!! ( don't start About the delivery of fighters that iraqi's can barely fly ).

    Russia doesn't give a fuck About the people tht are starring yet.
    But when the whole world starts to give logistical supplies, THEN Russia willndo something.

    But they won't take the LEAD, in something that MATTERS TO THE WORLD!!!

    AND THE WEST DOES IT!!!!!!!

    US is not doing anything against ISIS, US is ISIS, ISIS is FSA and Al-CIAda. You are a conspiracy theorist when you say that US is against terrorists like ISIS, because we have hard fucking facts that proof that US is the biggest terrorist creater and supporter on this planet.

    US is using Mafia methods, first they hire some thugs that break into your shop cause mayhem,blood and chaos and then very next day come to your shop and offer you to protect you from the very own hired thugs. That is the entire US foreign policy, but sure such indoctrinated people like you live in denial about this very known fact.

    So yes the US is truelly EVIL, because the fucking US empire never did anything other but creating terrorists and than offering to solve the problem they have created, how the fuck would you call such an behavior? A savior?

    Without the US on this planet we would have far less wars and not a single person today would even know the term Jihadist. Jihadists are created by US money and propaganda, in US slave countries like Pakistan,Qatar,Kuwait,Turkey,Saudi Arabia and many more.


    You don't get down voted here because that someone created a conspiracy just to bully you. No, you are just one of those persons that are driving this insanity, by accepting it, tolerating it, by whitewashing every terrorist action the US pulls off.

    People were called Conspiracy theorists when they said Saddam had no WMDs, they were proven to be right, same goes for Tonkin False Flag, WW1 Lusitana ship false flag, Pearl Harbor by keeping away the knowledge of the attack from the soldiers giving US the opportunity to have a justification for war, the farce of "saving lifes" by genociding japenese people with two nuclear bombs which die till this day by radiation, death born and more.

    People and along i said that in Lybia US/Israel have used Blackops who used sniper rifles to shoot on demonstrants to escalate the situation and create a situation and justification for invasion, i was called a conspiracy theorist, today that is proven, same it is proven in Syria and in Ukraine where we even saw that on footage that they were shooting on demonstrants and civilians from the position of "demonstrants".

    Yes ignore those facts, lick the ASS of uncle Shame.

    The facts are so overwhelming that the US is truelly evil with world domination ambitions that would even flash the eyes of a blind person.
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:27 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:Israel is ISIS?!!!?!?! Hahahahahha HOLY SHIT.
    You're sick man.  

    Yep.. not crazy..
    Hold..will look for the report.. Israeli support anyone ,even the same devil if they can use them against
    their enemies.

    Not sure About that buddy...

    Now you are awakening.. LOLOLOLOLOL   Laughing 

    trust me i was a big fan of US and NATO ,until i discovered the monster that was behind that organization.
    Is unbelievable how criminal they are.. most EU do not participate in US -UK criminal wars but they cooperate
    with their silence and diplomacy.  Imagine that netherlands is invaded by 100,000 alqaeda fighters.. and US media say Netherlands is killing peaceful protesters? demanding freedom and democracy..? and on top of that the sanction netherlands its economy to tally bankrupt it?

    here is the entire Syrian "civil war" explained in less than 2 minutes. with a former  French foreign minister.
    A jihadist Rebels invasion in Syria from all around the world was planned in 2009 to overthrow Assad . Not a revolusion but a NATO and gulf allies proxy war..



    Why you think Alqaeda do not attack the countries where US and NATO have military bases? Why Alqaeda or ISIS the better armed and world biggest terrorist organization do not attack Turkey? Saudi Arabia? Jordan ? Kuwait? UAE? BAhrain? Israel? Alqaeda and ISIS are simply Jihadist Organizations created to take control of the middle east under NATO umbrella and to destabilize Russia.


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    Post  Zivo Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:35 pm

    Ukies at Saur Mogila

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    I'm not very pleased with the rebel's performance. Their defense is admirable, but at some point they're going to have to do more than just slow down the UA.

    Saur Mogila was a key area to hold to keep the ukies from breaking the Cauldron. Now that the Cauldron is effectively "no more", the rebels may have determined that Saur Mogila was no longer strategically important. Instead opting to turn the area into a black hole, to make the UA bleed heavily for a minor strategic gain. Regardless of that possibility, it's still another unfortunate UA victory. They now hold the high ground in the south.
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    Post  Airbornewolf Sat Aug 09, 2014 11:00 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:And now somebody start telling me WHY you call ukrainians nazi's?
    Is that because of Some neo-nazi groups fought against that pro-russian criminal?
    The Same groups were this week removed from Kiev by KIEV forces so kiev doesn't even support those groups THEY WANT THEM TO LEAVE.

    the driving force in the violence inside the Ukrainian government is indeed Ukrainian Nazi party's like Svoboda and Right Sector. they openly see Stephan Bandera as an Ukranian hero while he had close ties with Nazi-germany in WW2. Bandera actively formed subversive units and other para-millitary groups to do the Nazi's bidding against russians. that happened to co-incide with the Nazi goverment at the time. or...in extention...to this day on behalf of the U.S government. its all on the internet, just google it.

    Like the Taliban where "usefull tools" against the Russians in the soviet-afghan war the U.S simply is financing and using the Svoboda and Right sector neo nazi's to cross the Russians.

    in 2010, Ukraine declared Stephan Bandera an hero. the EU and U.S where condemning the decision and etcetera and etcetera. but clearly they do not have problems with having that kind of people in government now.

    history often repeats itself Flyingdutchman, and the U.S has a habit of running its own programs identical to those it already done in the past. stop reading mainstream media and go research yourself the facts Wink.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Sat Aug 09, 2014 11:14 pm

    @ zivo's post.

    the guy is clearly an amateur. he has not the character or physical body of an combat soldier, yet he has an rather expensive 600 dollar holo-sight equipped on his weapon next to his NATO M.O.L.L.E type vest that looks brand-new.
    proffesional seasoned soldiers always hold their rifle in front of their chest with their finger next the safety. especially at kodak-moments. none of "us" wants to be caught on camera looking like some amateur like this guy.

    so im figuring NATO is throwing everything it has into "financing" their little war against russia.

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    Post  Vann7 Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:16 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:@ zivo's post.

    the guy is clearly an amateur. he has not the character or physical body of an combat soldier, yet he has an rather expensive 600 dollar holo-sight equipped on his weapon next to his NATO M.O.L.L.E type vest that looks brand-new.
    proffesional seasoned soldiers always hold their rifle in front of their chest with their finger next the safety. especially at kodak-moments. none of "us" wants to be caught on camera looking like some amateur like this guy.


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    Thats actually a good observation.. indeed.. Im wondering that shapeless weak body guy is doing with better
    armor that most Ukraine army. Now use that same skills to analize this maps.

    From where comes the supply lines of the Novorossiya forces?
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    Yes .. Russia..

    Now look at this others..

    From where come the supply lines of ISIS?

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    The question here is form where ISIS came? Professionals soldiers that scared army of 30,000 trainned by US in IRAQ. Do they parachute into Syria and IRAQ from space? WHo finance ISIS ? Who trains them ? and supply weapons and food to them and logistics? You have any idea how expensive is to have 10,000-20,000 fighters in the middle of the desert.? How they feed so big army?  Fuel for their tanks and cars how they get it for years? the answer is TURKEY and Saudi Arabia ,Jordan all of them major US allies . Who trains them ? IF OBama was really interested to fight terrorism ,he will have ordered a geneva court to Erdogan and the Saudi King for financing and arming ISIS and fueling terrorism. Did you know that since ISIS invaded the kurds have been selling illegally IRAQ oil like their is no tomorrow . and bought by Israel? Whats the point of US bombing them in the middle of a desert.. if they say nothing about Turkey and saudi arabia support of them?  notice how the Kurdish zones in SYria and IRAQ ,ISIS mostly skip them.. Mmm isn't that rare? What the hell is going on there?

    Simply the goal of ISIS operation began with the disbanding of the FSA so called moderates, after the failure to overthrow Assad ,have switched to IRAQ to split it in parts and create a Kurdistan country with full control of IRAQ and Syria oil fields.  Cool 

    ISIS have fighters from the former FSA which all European Union supported so called "friends of Syria" and fighters from Alnusra front too. The goal split IRAQ and create a Kurdishtan zone And turn them into a protectorate of NATO.  Already Joe Biden asked IRAQ to recognize Kurdish independence many times in the past. How hypocrites of them that do not allow the Independence of Novorosiya or Crimea but welcomes the indepence of Kurdish.?  THey not even feel ashamed. Laughing 

    Once Kurdishtan is set ,build Gas pipelines from Qatar into IRAQ into Syria and into Europe to counter Russia gas pipelines. US and its mafia allies actions is always about Russia ,that is removing governments from power that are friendly to Russia.. what is called leftist countries ,and this is why yakunovych was removed from UKraine.This is why ISIS and Alqaeda exist. To redraw middle east lines and isolate Russia energy business from Europe. The Banderas and Neonazis supported by Obama and US congress have the same goals of sabotage to Russian interest and isolate them from europe.


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    Post  Flyingdutchman Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:44 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:And now somebody start telling me WHY you call ukrainians nazi's?
    Is that because of Some neo-nazi groups fought against that pro-russian criminal?
    The Same groups were this week removed from Kiev by KIEV forces so kiev doesn't even support those groups THEY WANT THEM TO LEAVE.

    the driving force in the violence inside the Ukrainian government is indeed Ukrainian Nazi party's like Svoboda and Right Sector. they openly see Stephan Bandera as an Ukranian hero while he had close ties with Nazi-germany in WW2. Bandera actively formed subversive units and other para-millitary groups to do the Nazi's bidding against russians. that happened to co-incide with the Nazi goverment at the time. or...in extention...to this day on behalf of the U.S government. its all on the internet, just google it.

    Like the Taliban where "usefull tools" against the Russians in the soviet-afghan war the U.S simply is financing and using the Svoboda and Right sector neo nazi's to cross the Russians.

    in 2010, Ukraine declared Stephan Bandera an hero. the EU and U.S where condemning the decision and etcetera and etcetera. but clearly they do not have problems with having that kind of people in government now.

    history often repeats itself Flyingdutchman, and the U.S has a habit of running its own programs identical to those it already done in the past. stop reading mainstream media and go research yourself the facts Wink.


    Maybe thats what i should do Wink
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:18 am

    New anna news report.. with the hottest women in news.

    There are reports of an ambush to Ukie army and american instructors killed/captured in malinovka village. ?

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    Post  onwiththewar Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:24 am

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    What we witness in the world today is a criminal mafia western elite ,that have hostage the entire world at gun point. And Russia is the only one standing to counter them.Now it doesn't matter if Nation crash civilian planes with hundreds of passengers against buildings to justify a war. It doesn't matter if they openly finance and arm Terrorist organizations and nazis to overthrow governments. It doesn' matter if their allies celebrate the killing of children in cameras.. as Israel does.That bomb even schools of United Nations with children inside Two Times and no single sanction against them. Without that inconditional EU support to them ,it will have been IMPOSSIBLE for that criminal elite to continue terrorizing the world as they are doing in the middle east ,and now in eastern Europe.

    Stop with your bullshit.
    The "evil" west and the "evil" US, are the only one that do something About ISIS ( those guys that Shell cities, and kill everyone that doesn't believe in the Same or believe something at all ).
    They even kill CHILDREN, they push people back to a mountain and let them starve to DEATH!!
    And NO ONE is doing something!!

    But the US is doing it!!
    FRANCE is doing it!!
    THE WEST IS DOING IT!!

    And Russia is doing NOTHING, NOT A FUCKING THING!! ( don't start About the delivery of fighters that iraqi's can barely fly ).

    Russia doesn't give a fuck About the people tht are starring yet.
    But when the whole world starts to give logistical supplies, THEN Russia willndo something.

    But they won't take the LEAD, in something that MATTERS TO THE WORLD!!!

    AND THE WEST DOES IT!!!!!!!

    Wow, dude, have you been living in a hole in the last 3 years or what??

    The Syrian government, who Russia supported, have being fighting against ISIS since 2011. If it's not because of Russia, Syria would have been over run by ISIS. If it's not because of Russia, UN would have been all over Syria and the Syrian government would have been over thrown and long gone. Russia is the only country who have been supplying weapons to the Syrian people so that they can defend themselves.

    There are maybe 10,000 ISIS fighters died in Syria, any of them died because of the west? No. They were killed by Russia backed Syrian forces. Of course the exact number of dead ISIS is impossible to obtain, but battles where there are more than 100 ISIS death happen every week, so it will be in the 10th of thousands.

    Where were the west when ISIS have killed 150,000 Syrians ?? Did the west do jack about it? No. Quite the opposite, the united states threatened air strikes on Syrian government forces 3 times.

    Your ignorance is utterly ridiculous. The West have been supporting ISIS in Syria for the last 3 years and the West, indirectly, through ISIS killed 150,000 Syrians including women and children.

    No wonder the media is so successful:

    * 2 bombs from some random US airforce dropped on 2 parked cars in some random desert == air strikes on ISIS. Not to mention ISIS was officially trained by the US government in Jordan.

    * Helping Syrians killing a few ten thousands of ISIS fighters == NOT A FUCKING THING

    It doesn't make sense does it?

    Why Russia did not get involved in Syria directly and stop ISIS in its early days? Because your beloved "Western" governments forbid Russia doing so. Because your beloved "western" governments think even delivering food and water to Ukraine as "act of invasion",

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/08/us-ukraine-crisis-un-idUSKBN0G81WL20140808

    If sending food and water to Russia's neighboring country is considered as "invasion", how is it possible for Russia to get directly involved militarily in Syria or Iraq to stop the ISIS onslaught ???






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    Post  Regular Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:19 pm

    Why does Russia have to spend resources to help crush ISIS or other terrorists in the world.
    USA is far richer and more powerful country but they can't do a shit right. Middle east is their backyard, they fought for influence there from beginning of Cold War. Russia should stay out for now.
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    Post  Werewolf Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:24 pm

    Regular wrote:Why does Russia have to spend resources to help crush ISIS or other terrorists in the world.
    USA is far richer and more powerful country but they can't do a shit right. Middle east is their backyard, they fought for influence there from beginning of Cold War. Russia should stay out for now.

    I don't get it why someone would make such a statement? USA could do something....like stop paying terrorists and mercenaries to cause chaos everywhere and creating all this terror groups.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:40 pm

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    Russian court arrests five Ukrainian servicemen suspected of crimes against civilians

    ROSTOV-ON-DON, August 08, /ITAR-TASS/. The Krasnosulinsky district court in Russia’s southern Rostov region arrested five Ukrainian officers on Friday. They are suspected of using prohibited means of warfare and shelling the Russian territory, the court said.
    The officers including battalion commander of Ukraine’s 72 mechanized brigades Ivan Voitenko, his deputy Vitaly Dubinyak, tank battalion commander Alexander Polyakov, battalion chief of staff Alexander Okhrimenko and company commander Dmitry Ustilko crossed the Russian border together with more than 400 Ukrainian servicemen on August 3.
    All of them, according to investigators, admit the fact of using various weapons but they have denied using it against peaceful civilians.
    Vladimir Markin, a spokesperson for the Russian Investigation Committee, said on Friday that the servicemen from Voitenko’s battalion testified he had ordered the use of heavy offensive weapons against the towns of Krasnopartizansk and Krasnodon in the Lugansk region that lasted from July 19 to August 3.  As a result, at least ten civilians were killed or wounded.

    Investigators are also checking information on whether the 72nd motorized brigade used phosphorous bombs against civilians and was linked to shelling the Russian territory.
    Earlier on Friday, Markin said the detained Ukrainian servicemen could hardly have imagined when they were heading to carry out a punitive operation in Eastern Ukraine in nationalistic frenzy that they would have to answer for their crimes sooner or later.
    “Instead of jubilations on Maidan in their honor and all the promised (military) decorations, they will face a trial, a sentence and ultimately a fair punishment
    ,” Markin stressed.

    One of the significant aspects of the very minuscule amount of help Russia is giving Novorossiya. An early "Nuremberg"?

    Apparently, Russia felt sorry for the fascists again and decided to release these 5. This time the defense that the fascists were just stooges that were following the orders of their "less inferiors" worked.
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:09 pm

    Malasyan Government ,through its semi-funded ENglish languange newspaper ,that is the most important one in the nation ,have in the front pages of its newspaper ,something that is very inconvenient for kiev . That kiev shoot down the Malasyan plane..  Cool 

    Take a look...

    According to latest investigations from experts.evidence suggest the planes was shot down by an air to air missile from a combat plane and finished by Cannon fire.

    https://twitter.com/NST_Online/status/496798739453853696/photo/1

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    This will clearly confirm Russian radar images that shows Ukie airforce had one SU-25 flying very near
    the Malasyan plane before it lose contact. and the BBC pulled story of witness that saw a military plane ,chasing
    the airliner.  Cool     thats what i call too much evidence to solve a crime.. This is not counting the spanish air traffic controller story which cannot be verified.  Or the fake Rebels coversation released by Kiev intelligence blamed the rebels . you do the math.. 2 + 2 = ?  

    But as i said ,all the evidence of the world will not matter. The US Junta and its European colonies will look to another side and claim Putins Rebels did it.. and things will continue  business as usual for kiev. How far this world have gone to hell that humanity no longer cares for justice to a civilian plane being shot down with 300 passenger killed. Because Kiev did it.. and its a protectorate of US Government they will get away of this crime.  They will simply invent any excuse to not finish the investigation.. and wait for the entire war to end.. then later blame a drunk pilot for the attack and the government will get away with their crime.

    How low can humanity go ,that now Nations who shot down civilian airliners for political advantage are not held accounted for its crimes ,only because their government is friendly to the west and anti-Russia?
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:48 pm

    today in Donetsk shelling by the Kiev forces. Women killed and its children in hospital.

    (graphic..)

    http://voicesevas.ru/img/e6050fcf7a3209977b3f7b04f5ecbebf.jpg

    But looks more she was just shoot with a  heavy machine gun.. and i don't think it was  Novorossiya militia.
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    Post  Regular Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:21 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Regular wrote:Why does Russia have to spend resources to help crush ISIS or other terrorists in the world.
    USA is far richer and more powerful country but they can't do a shit right. Middle east is their backyard, they fought for influence there from beginning of Cold War. Russia should stay out for now.

    I don't get it why someone would make such a statement? USA could do something....like stop paying terrorists and mercenaries to cause chaos everywhere and creating all this terror groups.
    Well some terrorists they fight are not paid, but they are consiquence of their idiotic foreign policy.
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    Post  Feldmarszal Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:23 pm

    I wonder if 2 or 3 months from now, when winter starts to set in and people start freezing in their little tents, everyone in the west will still be against Russian intervention. It will be interesting to see what the white collars at the UN and what the Ukrainian everyman will think about over-the-border pain relievers then.

    What also makes me wonder is how Kiev is going to pay for Russian resources while maintaining full mobilization and fighting a guerilla war with the most important industrial areas of the country on their knees? Everyone in the western Ukraine might find their heaters real cold, real fast...
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:41 pm

    Feldmarszal wrote:I wonder if 2 or 3 months from now, when winter starts to set in and people start freezing in their little tents, everyone in the west will still be against Russian intervention. It will be interesting to see what the white collars at the UN and what the Ukrainian everyman will think about over-the-border pain relievers then.

    What also makes me wonder is how Kiev is going to pay for Russian resources while maintaining full mobilization and fighting a guerilla war with the most important industrial areas of the country on their knees? Everyone in the western Ukraine might find their heaters real cold, real fast...

    I believe it will be quite simple really.

    West is pushing as much as they can, for multitude of reasons - 1) Food and (2) Gas/oil

    They will start fracking and they will be tearing up what they can in order to get as much as they can. Simply put, Ukrainians will be the cheap labour needed in order to obtain the energy needed for EU so they will frack away and get what they can, selling it to EU (all the while, US people get a lot of money out of it). This money in turn will also be used to purchase the gas for their own needs too. They will be forced to reduce the domestic demand of the gas and will have to use alternative measures. The food concept is that there are already plenty of farm lands owned by UK enterprises. They will push to own more property in Ukraine to get cheap food out of it. This will in turn bring in a lot of money for some people.

    Lastly, they will bring the country into continuous debt. They will keep pushing more and more IMF loans in order to change the countries economy where they will become reliant on money coming from the west to pay for their demands. And this in turn will keep the country in a continuous debt spiral that will never end, and they will owe far more in the future than they will now. This simulated currency will pay for the resources needed (even if the money is considered toilet paper).

    Defence enterprises in Ukraine will be eaten up by EU/US industries that will try to push their end products onto old soviet equipment used all over the world, to curb Russian MIC whom also has plenty of countracts on the same type of equipment used in other countries. They will try to eat up that market share too. As well, they will pay rent to place US airforce bases in Ukraine that will be border to Russia, and claim that any ABM system will be aimed at Iran (lol). That money will end up paying for other goods too.

    Don't worry, when you are in the hands of uncle sam, you won't be left to starve or freeze to death. You will just have to do everything they want, and you will get the basic necessities.
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    Post  Feldmarszal Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:55 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Lastly, they will bring the country into continuous debt.  They will keep pushing more and more IMF loans in order to change the countries economy where they will become reliant on money coming from the west to pay for their demands.  And this in turn will keep the country in a continuous debt spiral that will never end, and they will owe far more in the future than they will now.  This simulated currency will pay for the resources needed (even if the money is considered toilet paper).
    the basic necessities.

    Long term sure. But short term, what's going to happen to the ordinary people who were thrown out into the streets by bombs and artillery attacks when the thermometer starts showing -20 or -30 degrees? The place will actually turn into the next Stalingrad, just with a lot more civilians and a lot more cameras sending the pictures to Berlin, London, Washington and Brussels. How will the American deskmonkeys justify their veto to Russian intervention then?



    Don't worry, when you are in the hands of uncle sam, you won't be left to starve or freeze to death. You will just have to do everything they want, and you will get the basic necessities.

    Yeah, we don't even get a pat on the head or anything...
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:03 am

    This is interesting.

    Google translation with a bit of cleanup:

    http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3585-voyna-na-yugo-vostoke-onlayn-10082014-hronika-sobytiy-post-obnovlyaetsya.html wrote:There are reports that in Izyumsk near Kharkov People's Republic, destroyed supply column, which was carrying ammunition deployed in Izyumsk 1st Independent Tank Brigade redeployed there from Chernigovska oblast'. Four truckloads of ammunition blew up. The fifth truck captured militiamen were filled, not with tank ammunition, but with American ATGM FGM-148 Javelin (Javelin).  
    Most likely, Javelins were brought in Kharkov by the American military transport aircraft, which is often there in the last few nights.
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:17 am



    Yep apparently the Militia captured brand new cargo of Javelin missiles , a few of them should be moving to Russia for reverse engineering.  Laughing  NATO needs to send stinger missiles ,modern attack drones and modern tanks.. Russia will have a lot of fun capturing them. Even though Russia don't need it. it will be interesting for fully understanding the NATO equipment how operates and its weakness and limitations.
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    Post  Firebird Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:21 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:This is interesting.

    Google translation with a bit of cleanup:

    http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3585-voyna-na-yugo-vostoke-onlayn-10082014-hronika-sobytiy-post-obnovlyaetsya.html wrote:There are reports that in Izyumsk near Kharkov People's Republic, destroyed supply column, which was carrying ammunition deployed in Izyumsk 1st Independent Tank Brigade redeployed there from Chernigovska oblast'. Four truckloads of ammunition blew up. The fifth truck captured militiamen were filled, not with tank ammunition, but with American ATGM FGM-148 Javelin (Javelin).  
    Most likely, Javelins were brought in Kharkov by the American military transport aircraft, which is often there in the last few nights.

    These American bastards (and before someone chimes in, I dont mean ALL Americans) are just brazen about it these days. Genocides, direct murder of Russians, funding Al Qaeda and Nazis.

    As soon as they didn't need Russia for M East logistics they sank to the very lowest depths. Infact even as "partners against terrorism", NATO expanded and America supported Georgia and no doubt, various terror groups in S Russia.

    This evil won't stop until American gets on the receiving end of some justice.
    These bastards would happily fund the IRA, openly collecting money for them in the streets of Boston and NYC.

    Every time Russia is on the receiving end of something (and I include much of the Ukrainian region as Russian), its reputation is harmed in the World. And it actually makes itself MORE vulnerable to further attacks.

    Wouldn't suprise me a bit if America did the "Manchurian Candidate" routine on a Ukrainian pilot to shoot down MH17 either.

    Sometimes you have to lower yourself to the depths of your most wicked enemy.
    I wonder what Russia might do. Because constantly just defending yoruself v punches is plain dim. Sometimes, you have to punch back. Even kick back/use a baseball bat, or whatever else.

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