The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

Regular wrote:
They are not sitting in the bunkers and doing nothing. They still control large amount of airport and surroundings. Even if their defence is greatest thing Ukrainian army achieved in the end of the day their goal is just symbolic as airport is completely destroyed.

So your claims of non-existing transnistria are BS.

That "fight with unemployment" program was called "five year plan".

So, please tell me, what role, for example, Kiev had played in reducing Crimea's unemployment?

sepheronx wrote:Can you please start putting captions?

Whats going on?

higurashihougi wrote:

Regular wrote:
They are not sitting in the bunkers and doing nothing. They still control large amount of airport and surroundings. Even if their defence is greatest thing Ukrainian army achieved in the end of the day their goal is just symbolic as airport is completely destroyed.

May be it is just my personal feeling, but Kyiv's stronghold there still hurts my eyes when looking at it on a map.

Just like a wooden splinter in my skin which has not been pulled up yet.

Due to a conflict in Novorosii Ukraine lost the ability to produce warheads for guided missile system



In an article published in the Journal of Mordovia, argued that military operations in the Donbass Ukraine practically deprived the ability to produce anti-tank missiles of various types.

The author - Dmitry Lemeshko - reminds us that "Ukrainian designers created a full line of anti-tank missiles of all types, from light ATGM" Corsair "to heavy rocket" Le Corsaire "." However, most of them are produced for export only.

Ukrainian Defense Ministry could purchase only about a dozen complexes "Stugna-P," which recently began to arrive in the armed forces. The author points out that "the main advantage compared to the old Soviet missiles is that" Stugna "has a so-called tandem warhead, which can overcome the dynamic security protection, such as" Call 1 "and" Kontakt-5 "."

Gunsmiths stated that delivery systems will continue, but, most likely, these plans have not yet destined to come true. "The reason is that Ukraine, in fact, now has lost the opportunity to commercially produce one of the most basic components of any ATGM - cumulative warhead" - the author writes.

The thing is that their production was in Donetsk on the breech factory of chemical products. Now the enterprise, as you might guess, has dropped out of the list of defense companies.

According Lemeshko, citing the opinion of military experts, "the creation of new production facilities for the production of combat units in areas not affected by the war, faced with a large number of technical difficulties and would require significant financial investments."

"Therefore, it is likely that Ukraine developer and exporter of missile weapons in the near future will be forced to become an importer ATGM. Although it is possible that NATO can provide such assistance on a grant basis, "- concludes the author.

http://vpk.name/news/118546_izza_konflikta_v_novorosii_ukraina_lishilas_vozmozhnosti_izgotavlivat_boevyie_chasti_dlya_ptur.html

Regular wrote:
Airport from Ukrainian POV.
They are not sitting in the bunkers and doing nothing. They still control large amount of airport and surroundings. Even if their defence is greatest thing Ukrainian army achieved in the end of the day their goal is just symbolic as airport is completely destroyed.

Speaking to the press from the hospital, Shufrych promised to return to Odessa.

“Believe me, soon we will put an end to this lawlessness. And we will do all we can to clear the city from these evil spirits,” he said.

Vann7 wrote:

Regular wrote:
Airport from Ukrainian POV.
They are not sitting in the bunkers and doing nothing. They still control large amount of airport and surroundings. Even if their defence is greatest thing Ukrainian army achieved in the end of the day their goal is just symbolic as airport is completely destroyed.

The rebels needs to be supplied with TOS-1 Flame artillery and burn to 2,000 degrees every inch of territory of the airport.

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This video seems to very convincingly positively identify a man brutally beating people who were lying prostrate who had just fallen 3 stories out of a burning building during the Odessa massacre.  

It has English subtitles.

Its important because this massacre was a major flash point and became a catalyst for the entire Ukraine conflict, galvanizing public opinion in East Ukraine and Russia, horrified by what had happened.

Here's the background:

On May 2 there was a grisly massacre in Odessa when 42 pro-Russian demonstrators were burned alive in a building after being set upon by pro-Ukrainian activists.  

Here is a wikipedia description of the event.   We can't vouch for its objectivity, but at least it gives a sense of what happened.

The pro-Russian side says that they were unarmed, were viciously attacked by heavily armed pro-Kiev, neo-nazi activists, from which they fled, seeking refuge in a trade union building.  They claim the activists then set fire to the building, where many of the pro-Russians died in the flames, and that even when trying to escape the building, they were shot at and physically attacked.

The pro-Kiev side says that after street fighting with the pro-Russians, they barricaded themselves into the building, and that the fire started accidentally, and denies continuing to attack the victims in the building.

We don't know which version is closer to the truth, but find it interesting that to this day, the western media has not made much of an effort to investigate the story.  Seems a bit of an oversight to us, considering the tragic results and the possibility of a major atrocity having transpired.

There was a major uproar in Russia in the weeks following the tragedy, because the mainstream Western media mentioned it only in passing, and showed little interest in the story, mostly presenting the pro-Kiev version of events.  

To this day it is probably Exhibit A for most Russians that the western media is biased against Russia.

A few days ago, this video surfaced on the Russian internet.  We haven't had time to look in to who made it, because we wanted to rush to get it out ourselves.  We will keep you posted on what we find out, and will write more about the event, and the controversy surrounding it, in the coming days.

Later in the video he is identified as an organizer of the anti-Russian militants involved in the skirmishes that day.  The information about the video on the Russian youtube page identifies him as Seva Goncharevskii, and says he has a Facebook profile, but it no longer exists on Facebook.

This is a big deal because whether or not he is found or captured, an investigation into who he is will likely implicate others involved in the events that day.

Watch the video yourself, its a shocker.  (Warning: It contains grisly scenes.  Not for children or faint of heart!)

We think this video could go seriously viral around the world, and could cause a major shift in western public opinion about what is going on in the Ukraine.

Please share!

P.S.  By coincidence, the invaluable Saker has a comment out today on Russia Insider, lambasting the western media and governments for ignoring the extent of the atrocities and neo-nazi involvement in the Ukraine.  

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arpakola wrote:

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We don't know which version is closer to the truth, but find it interesting that to this day, the western media has not made much of an effort to investigate the story.  Seems a bit of an oversight to us, considering the tragic results and the possibility of a major atrocity having transpired.

There was a major uproar in Russia in the weeks following the tragedy, because the mainstream Western media mentioned it only in passing, and showed little interest in the story, mostly presenting the pro-Kiev version of events.  

To this day it is probably Exhibit A for most Russians that the western media is biased against Russia.

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arpakola wrote: