kvs wrote:Rubbish. The idea of Novorossiya is being created by the ethno-fascism of the regime in charge of Kiev. Instead of fixating
on the Donbas, perhaps reserving some attention to the Rwanda style talk and action (e.g. Odessa) from the "real" Ukrainains
might make the situation clearer.
this. exactly what the rump-PartyofRegions deputies in Rada speak of, when they are not being silenced and expelled by junta factions... if one wants a "united independent soviet ukraine", one cannot impose social engineering policies designed to favor one part of society, or one historic-political ideology over others. what the novorussia movement wants for novorussia is largely what did exist in past ukraine (independent or USSR) and what is being taken away by the illegal nationalist inspired coup. the resistance to the junta indeed did not start out with open "separatist" calls, yet were still opposed with military repression (as yanu never did) when they undertook actions (seizing buildings etc) equivalent to "maidan". in ukraine as a whole, EU and NATO have never shown mass popular support, maidan aside, so imposing that political tendency is again an imposition on natural tendency of ukrainians, focusing on "ethnicity" is a distraction IMHO. while ethnicity plays a part, modern soviet created ukraine borders encompass two historic narratives, one kievan ukraine which was absorbed for some time into russian/soviet sphere, AND novorussia which was never part of non-russian kievan experience and which was settled (following conquest of ottoman/crimean territory) by various peoples, ethnic russian, ukrainian, jewish, serbian, etc, under aegis of russian imperial sovereignty.
I still see people peddling the notion of sovereignty and territorial integrity. Those are quaint notions that have nothing to
do with international law. International law puts the rights to self-determination above the territorial integrity of countries.
This is what the International Court of Justice at the Hague has ruled. If anyone is going to chatter about international law,
then they cannot ignore the precedent set by the Kosovo secession.
indeed, russia is hardly accused of "direct" crimes, murder, etc, but rather "abstract" violations of what amount to legalisms... yet similar scrutiny is not paid to legalisms violated by junta (nor the consequences of that on russia's own actions, e.g with legit ukrainian state institutions, president, constitutional court, constitution itself, all illegally deposed by junta). get real. to note, russia did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for a week following coup, they merely complained about violation of legalisms by coup (along with real physical violence), and those complaints were UTTERLY IGNORED by west, which poses as defender of abstract legalisms.
It is rather clear that there is sharp ethnic distinction between the Donbas and western Ukraine, so one can't hide behind the
"they are all Ukrainians" fig leaf.
indeed, and ethnicity apart, that novorussia was never part of kiev state, that it was only annexed to kiev administration under USSR, and thus certainly has standing to secede/ apply self determination as a singular separate nation (remnant of russian empire/USSR distinct from kiev ukraine and modern russia). self determination is a principle of intl law, so if it means anything at all, then it MUST be able to over-ride "territorial integrity", otherwise there is no point because otherwise there is no need for it if the "larger state" must accede. in this case, even some standard deference to territorial integrity/central government of larger state doesn't apply, because the legit government has been overthrown, the legit state bodies e.g. constitution and constitutional court that rule on such issues have been illegally eviscerated, so there doesn't remain a legit central government of ukraine to assert itself... a "revolutionary" situation has been opened, and ALL people in ukraine have equal right to take it in the direction they prefer. it is sad that the "ethnic ukrainian nationalists" cannot even recognize their real historic heritage, instead needing to steal the heritage of russia/novorussia along the premise of "ukraine is where ethnic ukrainians live" (somehow not applying to siberia, canada, etc).
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and it's superbly humanitarian heroes, like stepan bandera, and is, therefore, trying to destroy Ukraine's success story as much as possible, so that russian people themselves wouldn't have an example to follow and wouldn't be threatening putler's despotic kgb junta's reign.