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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

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    Post  auslander Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:43 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    ultron wrote:
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    ultron wrote:Is DPR election schedule for October 18? Or has it been postponed to November 2?
    October 18th.

    Wow. Looks like popcorn time is right around the corner.
    On behalf of the active posters to the thread, welcome. It is traditional round here to introduce yourself in the Introduction thread, especially when you make a comment like that.

    Methinks I've heard this voice before.
    Thinking the exact same thing. Personally, I thought it was getting kind of lonely without him....

    Yeah, my ignore button was lonely.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:50 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Mosiychuk has said he will go on hunger strike if arrested, and so the memes begin..
    "I'm a fat bitch"
    #lumpenshow
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    Do you think people like him are in shock that the new regime is threatening to arrest them??



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    Post  Khepesh Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:36 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:


    Do you think people like him are in shock that the new regime is threatening to arrest them??



    Yes. I think that after maidan they thought they had won a great victory and that Ukraine would be theirs. They now seem to be almost in a state of denial that they were simply "useful idiots". Men like Yarosh are not so foolish as we think tho, but most of the radikals are low IQ and don't understand.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:55 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Mosiychuk has said he will go on hunger strike if arrested, and so the memes begin..
    "I'm a fat bitch"
    #lumpenshow
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    Do you think people like him are in shock that the new regime is threatening to arrest them??

    What I find most hilarious is the fact that Russian language seems to have a single word for phrase ''fat bitch'' lol1 russia
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:55 pm

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    This is awesome!!! lol1

    ''Ukraine is furious after Putin drank one of Crimea's oldest bottles of wine with former Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi''

    http://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-mad-at-putin-and-berlusconi-2015-9

    Auslander, you mentioned this particular brand of vine, speak to us of it's taste!  drunken russia
    Hell yeah, 240 y.o bottle! Only 217 years older than the Ukrainian state... lol!

    How dare you, Russia! russia
    I was just thinking... maybe Russia forgot the wine during their first aggression in 1783 and had to return to get it in 2014, haha. lol1

    LOL cheers Very Happy lol!
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:56 pm


    Mission Impossible jocolor

    ''No More Money for Ukraine Unless Kiev Gets Rid of Corruption - Biden''

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150919/1027242990/ukraine-to-receive-no-money-from-us-if-corruption-levels-stay-high.html
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:58 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Mosiychuk has said he will go on hunger strike if arrested, and so the memes begin..
    "I'm a fat bitch"
    #lumpenshow
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #21 - Page 28 76686a2a89de

    Do you think people like him are in shock that the new regime is threatening to arrest them??

    What I find most hilarious is the fact that Russian language seems to have a single word for phrase ''fat bitch'' lol1 russia

    Oh my Lord, Very Happy auslander and everybody else is on a roll this morning! cheers cracking jokes. I love it!

    PapaDragon, I love your personality! Very Happy
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:59 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Mission Impossible jocolor

    ''No More Money for Ukraine Unless Kiev Gets Rid of Corruption - Biden''

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150919/1027242990/ukraine-to-receive-no-money-from-us-if-corruption-levels-stay-high.html

    OMG, I've never laughed so hard! Well. That says it all. lol
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:14 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Mosiychuk has said he will go on hunger strike if arrested, and so the memes begin..
    "I'm a fat bitch"
    #lumpenshow
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #21 - Page 28 76686a2a89de

    Do you think people like him are in shock that the new regime is threatening to arrest them??

    What I find most hilarious is the fact that Russian language seems to have a single word for phrase ''fat bitch'' lol1 russia

    Oh my Lord, Very Happy auslander and everybody else is on a roll this morning! cheers  cracking jokes. I love it!

    PapaDragon, I love your personality! Very Happy

    Thank you my friend, right back at you! love thumbsup

    Laughter heals all illnesses, that is my motto. Very Happy
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    Post  Khepesh Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:24 pm

    Mosiychuk was sentenced to 60 days for bribery, so I think he has enough fat reserves...
    What will concern the radikals, and even "normal" Ukranians, is that he was probably framed as he states, and had his immunity overturned and convicted due to laws being made on spur of moment to get him. Poroshenko is essentially ruling as a medieval monarch and telling the lawmakers and judges to do what he says. That Poroshenko goes after what may be considered the more difficult targets first, shows the rest of the population that they have no chance if they oppose Poroshenko. This article explains that to an extent the clownshow with Mosiychuk was a diversion to distract from what is happening to "law" in Ukraine. http://antifashist.com/item/o-nekotoryh-pravovyh-posledstviyah-shou-arest-mosijchuka.html#ixzz3mAsSxiC4
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:33 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Mosiychuk has said he will go on hunger strike if arrested, and so the memes begin..
    "I'm a fat bitch"
    #lumpenshow
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #21 - Page 28 76686a2a89de

    Do you think people like him are in shock that the new regime is threatening to arrest them??

    What I find most hilarious is the fact that Russian language seems to have a single word for phrase ''fat bitch'' lol1 russia

    Oh my Lord, Very Happy auslander and everybody else is on a roll this morning! cheers  cracking jokes. I love it!

    PapaDragon, I love your personality! Very Happy

    Thank you my friend, right back at you! love thumbsup

    Laughter heals all illnesses, that is my motto. Very Happy

    I agree with that! Laughter is good medicine!
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:57 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Mosiychuk was sentenced to 60 days for bribery, so I think he has enough fat reserves...
    What will concern the radikals, and even "normal" Ukranians, is that he was probably framed as he states, and had his immunity overturned and convicted due to laws being made on spur of moment to get him. Poroshenko is essentially ruling as a medieval monarch and telling the lawmakers and judges to do what he says. That Poroshenko goes after what may be considered the more difficult targets first, shows the rest of the population that they have no chance if they oppose Poroshenko. This article explains that to an extent the clownshow with Mosiychuk was a diversion to distract from what is happening to "law" in Ukraine. http://antifashist.com/item/o-nekotoryh-pravovyh-posledstviyah-shou-arest-mosijchuka.html#ixzz3mAsSxiC4

    Do y'all think that what has happened to Mosiychuk might have anything to do with him being present at the Odessa Trades Union building massacre?

    ...to shut him up?
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    Post  Khepesh Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:32 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Mosiychuk was sentenced to 60 days for bribery, so I think he has enough fat reserves...
    What will concern the radikals, and even "normal" Ukranians, is that he was probably framed as he states, and had his immunity overturned and convicted due to laws being made on spur of moment to get him. Poroshenko is essentially ruling as a medieval monarch and telling the lawmakers and judges to do what he says. That Poroshenko goes after what may be considered the more difficult targets first, shows the rest of the population that they have no chance if they oppose Poroshenko. This article explains that to an extent the clownshow with Mosiychuk was a diversion to distract from what is happening to "law" in Ukraine. http://antifashist.com/item/o-nekotoryh-pravovyh-posledstviyah-shou-arest-mosijchuka.html#ixzz3mAsSxiC4

    Do y'all think that what has happened to Mosiychuk might have anything to do with him being present at the Odessa Trades Union building massacre?

    ...to shut him up?
    Ah, that was "Sotnik Mykola" at Odessa, these fat banderas all look the same Smile Mykola is dead now anyway, died in hospital of natural causes unfortunately, or all a ruse for him to dissapear....

    I better explain that "толстоваха" is not really a word, or Russian. It's a sort of nonsense word based on Ukranian that has no direct translation into English, or Russian..... but the sense is meant to be like "I'm a fat bitch" it's sort of like making fun of him and Ukranian.
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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:47 pm

    Okay so because Russia invade Ukraina *cough, cough* and Russia may be very aggressive in the future *cough, cough* therefore the Pentagon have to throw away its current plans and use new ones geek  geek  jocolor  jocolor

    Ah yes, Russians are soooo aggressive. They put their country very nearly to U.S. bases.

    http://www.rt.com/usa/315970-pentagon-plan-deter-russia/

    The Pentagon is reportedly reviewing and updating its contingency plans for a war with Russia for the first time since the collapse of the Soviet Union, with a defense official telling US media that Russia's “actions” prompted the assessment.

    “Given the security environment, given the actions of Russia, it has become apparent that we need to make sure to update the plans that we have in response to any potential aggression against any NATO allies,” a senior defense official familiar with the plan told Foreign Policy.

    According to Michèle Flournoy, a former undersecretary of defense for policy and co-founder of the Center for a New American Security, the move was prompted by the Ukraine situation.

    “Russia’s invasion of eastern Ukraine made the US dust off its contingency plans,” Flournoy told FP. “They were pretty out of date.”
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    Post  auslander Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:01 pm

    Khepesh wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Mosiychuk was sentenced to 60 days for bribery, so I think he has enough fat reserves...
    What will concern the radikals, and even "normal" Ukranians, is that he was probably framed as he states, and had his immunity overturned and convicted due to laws being made on spur of moment to get him. Poroshenko is essentially ruling as a medieval monarch and telling the lawmakers and judges to do what he says. That Poroshenko goes after what may be considered the more difficult targets first, shows the rest of the population that they have no chance if they oppose Poroshenko. This article explains that to an extent the clownshow with Mosiychuk was a diversion to distract from what is happening to "law" in Ukraine. http://antifashist.com/item/o-nekotoryh-pravovyh-posledstviyah-shou-arest-mosijchuka.html#ixzz3mAsSxiC4

    Do y'all think that what has happened to Mosiychuk might have anything to do with him being present at the Odessa Trades Union building massacre?

    ...to shut him up?
    Ah, that was "Sotnik Mykola" at Odessa, these fat banderas all look the same Smile Mykola is dead now anyway, died in hospital of natural causes unfortunately, or all a ruse for him to dissapear....

    I better explain that "толстоваха" is not really a word, or Russian. It's a sort of nonsense word based on Ukranian that has no direct translation into English, or Russian..... but the sense is meant to be like "I'm a fat bitch" it's sort of like making fun of him and Ukranian.

    Looks to me like almost a combination of 'fat' and 'female dog' kinda strung together in a typical 404 way by a uke chewing a mouthful of salo and trying to talk at the same time, hence the west orkland dialect.

    For you, Madame, here's a joke that might make you giggle, 'specially since you is a Reb like me.

    Cop pulls over this sweet little old lady in Hogtail SC for speeding, you know the kind, purple hair, print dress, sensible black shoes, sits in her rocker on the front porch in those long and soft southern summer evenings knitting a barbed wire fence. He comes to her Town Car, she rolls down the window and he asks for her documents. She hands him same and in the pile he sees her CC permit (Concealed Carry Permit for thems that don't know, IOW she can pack heat under her apron when she goes to Church.). He looks at the lady, understanding that she's old enough to have welcomed the boys home from The Wo'wah, and asks her if she has a weapon in the car.

    "Yes, officer, I have a Colt .45 in the glove box."

    "Loaded?"

    "Yes."

    Just something about the way she said that made him ask "Anything else?"

    "Yes, officer, I have a .38 wheel gun in my console."

    "Good heavens, Ma'am, what else do you have in there?"

    "I have a Glock 19 in my purse with an extra mag loaded with hydrashocks."

    He looks at her almost shocked. "Ma'am, what in the world are you afraid of?"

    The old dear looks him right in the eye and says "Not a f/////g thing, sonny."
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    Post  Godric Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:37 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Mission Impossible jocolor

    ''No More Money for Ukraine Unless Kiev Gets Rid of Corruption - Biden''

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150919/1027242990/ukraine-to-receive-no-money-from-us-if-corruption-levels-stay-high.html

    as Confucius once said - man who masterb@tes with peanut butter .... is f*cking nuts


    America has enough problems of its own and the bottom line is the USA is $19+ trillion in debt and is in no real position to bail anyone out ...
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:00 am

    auslander wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Mosiychuk was sentenced to 60 days for bribery, so I think he has enough fat reserves...
    What will concern the radikals, and even "normal" Ukranians, is that he was probably framed as he states, and had his immunity overturned and convicted due to laws being made on spur of moment to get him. Poroshenko is essentially ruling as a medieval monarch and telling the lawmakers and judges to do what he says. That Poroshenko goes after what may be considered the more difficult targets first, shows the rest of the population that they have no chance if they oppose Poroshenko. This article explains that to an extent the clownshow with Mosiychuk was a diversion to distract from what is happening to "law" in Ukraine. http://antifashist.com/item/o-nekotoryh-pravovyh-posledstviyah-shou-arest-mosijchuka.html#ixzz3mAsSxiC4

    Do y'all think that what has happened to Mosiychuk might have anything to do with him being present at the Odessa Trades Union building massacre?

    ...to shut him up?
    Ah, that was "Sotnik Mykola" at Odessa, these fat banderas all look the same Smile Mykola is dead now anyway, died in hospital of natural causes unfortunately, or all a ruse for him to dissapear....

    I better explain that "толстоваха" is not really a word, or Russian. It's a sort of nonsense word based on Ukranian that has no direct translation into English, or Russian..... but the sense is meant to be like "I'm a fat bitch" it's sort of like making fun of him and Ukranian.

    Looks to me like almost a combination of 'fat' and 'female dog' kinda strung together in a typical 404 way by a uke chewing a mouthful of salo and trying to talk at the same time, hence the west orkland dialect.

    For you, Madame, here's a joke that might make you giggle, 'specially since you is a Reb like me.

    Cop pulls over this sweet little old lady in Hogtail SC for speeding, you know the kind, purple hair, print dress, sensible black shoes, sits in her rocker on the front porch in those long and soft southern summer evenings knitting a barbed wire fence. He comes to her Town Car, she rolls down the window and he asks for her documents. She hands him same and in the pile he sees her CC permit (Concealed Carry Permit for thems that don't know, IOW she can pack heat under her apron when she goes to Church.). He looks at the lady, understanding that she's old enough to have welcomed the boys home from The Wo'wah, and asks her if she has a weapon in the car.

    "Yes, officer, I have a Colt .45 in the glove box."

    "Loaded?"

    "Yes."

    Just something about the way she said that made him ask "Anything else?"

    "Yes, officer, I have a .38 wheel gun in my console."

    "Good heavens, Ma'am, what else do you have in there?"

    "I have a Glock 19 in my purse with an extra mag loaded with hydrashocks."

    He looks at her almost shocked. "Ma'am, what in the world are you afraid of?"

    The old dear looks him right in the eye and says "Not a f/////g thing, sonny."


    ha ha, that's a funny joke! & what's even funnier is you and I both understand " The Wo'wah" Very Happy
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    Town of Velikaya Znamenka speaking against the war - Zaporozhie, Ukraine

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:42 am

    State security hunting anti-war protesters in Zaporozhie, Ukraine

    Published on Feb 10, 2015

    Here we can see a prime example of how far the propaganda goes in this conflict: a complete alternate reality is constructed to suppress and forget the uncomfortable truth. Before this war, I thought such twists of the mind belong in Orwell's books and psychiatrist's notes. Watch the video, and remember the narrative...

    Now let me show you what _actually_ happened (if you want this post with embedded videos and better links, go to http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=454_14... ).
    The conscription commissars thought it would be a _great_ idea to have pro-mobilization rallies in small towns boycotting the conscription, and convince the locals to submit through a combination of promises and threats. Commissars asked local officials to provide the sound systems and showed up with some pro-mobilization activists to support them.

    In here you can see the evidence, this post is actually a follow-up to a post about a rally:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQjmw...
    (sorry for no subs on the full version, but that would take several hours):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrY3r...

    You can see the rally is being administered by the pro-Kiev mayor and cinema/theater official (in charge of the sound system). They also happen to be the only two pro-government locals in the entire crowd. So we can clearly see no "Russian spies" set the rally up, but rather pro-Kiev officials.

    As for the "provocateurs from Russia", that excuse has literally been used in every one of the many protests the new government had to suppress. Heck, the Kiev students protesting doubling of metro prices have been dubbed "FSB agents" by UkroMedia. "FSB agents" are literally the answer to every failure, e.g. the head of Ukraine's Central Bank has declared that "FSB agents" are to blame for the national currency plummeting (apparently the millions of people who all tried to buy dollars work for FSB).

    http://ru.tsn.ua/groshi/do-200-agento...

    Kiev-controlled mass media sources have earned the derogatory name "UkroMedia" soon after the coup: even though they are ostensibly controlled by several different oligarchs (and used against each other on occasion), all of them are divorced from reality when in comes to covering the war in the East.

    To be fair, Ukrainian media community itself are not the main culprits:
    - First, any dissenting or merely independent mass media outlets are attacked by "unknown" Right Sector men and State Security alike

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyMNA...

    https://cpj.org/2014/09/ukrainian-aut...

    - Second, it's hard to demand objectivity while reporting in a madhouse. When the minister of defense says "Russians" only won at Lugansk because they must have used a nuclear weapon and the head of central bank blames tanking economy on Russian spies, not much sane reporting can be done

    http://rt.com/news/189420-ukraine-nuc...

    - Third, those Ukrainian journalists who try to make good reports are prevented from doing so by the government (e.g. very limited access to the entire "ATO zone"), and those who try to talk to the other size are risking prison (Ukrainian journalist Roman Bochkala is currently facing 15 years in prison for speaking against the war and for appearing on Russian media - imagine the uproar of Western MSM hypocrites if a Russian journalist was arrested for appearing on foreign media!)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEN0-...

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/od-russ...

    PS. Especially love the "News are Facts" slogan in the end. Not "Facts are News" - no, whatever they report apparently _becomes_ reality.

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJJok...


    State security hunting anti-war protesters in Zaporozhie, Ukraine

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:03 am

    Kiev: Rally in support of "People's Parliament of Bessarabia". Arrest made.

    Ukraine's secret police make an arrest.

    Not all is well in Nulandstan. Today there was a rally for autonomy for the people of Bessarabia.

    Victoria "XXXX the EU" Nuland was apparently too stupid to realize that Ukraine had different people, who may not support her coup. Thanks to her and the US, Ukraine is going down the toilet.




    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=030_1442695287

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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:41 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Kiev: Rally in support of "People's Parliament of Bessarabia". Arrest made.

    Ukraine's secret police make an arrest.

    Not all is well in Nulandstan. Today there was a rally for autonomy for the people of Bessarabia.

    Victoria "XXXX the EU" Nuland was apparently too stupid to realize that Ukraine had different people, who may not support her coup. Thanks to her and the US, Ukraine is going down the toilet.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=030_1442695287

    It is clear that the current Kyiv goverment is not designed to protect Ukrainian people, but to serve the profits of Wall Street Oligarchs.

    It is OK for you to Eating Tie as long as you obey the demands from Wall Street bosses.
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Sep 20, 2015 6:46 am



    Speaking about BlackMail.. Anyone remembers the lawsuit of US banks on France
    for no less than $10 billions for "corruption" .. and that Putin told openly ,that he received
    information that it was retaliation for France ,for trying to sell the mistrals to Russia?

    Now the American Elite are back with more Blackmail..
    This time germany.. US government demanding Germany to recall no less than 500,000
    cars ,because "it does not meet the regulations of safety for environment"... lol1

    http://sputniknews.com/us/20150919/1027248996/volkswagen-recalls-half-million-cars-for-hidden-pollution.html

    Definitively is clear that US have not give up with Ukraine..and are seeking to pressure
    France and Germany to not interfere with Ukraine in their proxy war against Russia..
    So they now in full blackmail force.. Germany should demand americans car companies to recall 1 million of cars in Germany for environmental issues too.
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    Post  Godric Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:39 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Kiev: Rally in support of "People's Parliament of Bessarabia". Arrest made.

    Ukraine's secret police make an arrest.

    Not all is well in Nulandstan. Today there was a rally for autonomy for the people of Bessarabia.

    Victoria "XXXX the EU" Nuland was apparently too stupid to realize that Ukraine had different people, who may not support her coup. Thanks to her and the US, Ukraine is going down the toilet.




    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=030_1442695287


    I'm pretty sure the people of Bessarabia are ethnic Romanians or they were ethnic Romanians ... they did after all go into a union with Romania after WW1
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    Post  mutantsushi Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:54 am

    Bessarabia can mean different things, it can mean the part of Odessa Oblast South of Dniestr and which more specifically may be referred to as Budjak,
    it can mean the same region combined with all of Moldova sans Transnistria, which was once one political region (drawing name from southern region),
    the whole of which was briefly occupied by Romania, with only the northern part (current Moldova) having majority Romanian/Moldovan ethnicity.
    According to the 2001 Ukrainian census, Budjak has a population of 617,200 people, distributed among the ethnic groups as follows:
    Ukrainians 248,000 (40%), Bulgarians 129,000 (21%), Russians 124,500 (20%), Moldovans 78,300 (13%) and Gagauzians 24,700 (4%).

    Although the majority of Russians and Moldovans declared the language of their ethnicity as their mother tongue, only roughly half of Ukrainians did so, while the other half indicated Russian as their native language. The Bulgarians also tend to use Russian more than Bulgarian, especially in public. The above numbers reflect the declared ethnicity, not the native language. The most common spoken language in everyday public use in Budjak is Russian.
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    Post  auslander Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:04 am

    On a serious note, we have completed a small task. We have more than a few friends up north whom we have kept in contact with since the beginning of this cluster intercourse last year. One is a young man, young by my aging standards, and his wife. They are childless but she is slightly expectant. Him having a sedentary vocation he is not in the best of physical condition and he is no warrior by any stretch of the imagination.

    While he was not a maidanchik he did support the principles of that mess. Last summer when they had holiday he and I had several spirited discussions on the general subject, this was not long after the war started. They resided nowhere near the area of conflict.

    Since last summer my wife and the lady and I and the young man have communicated often. This past April he communicated that he had his draft notice. He is physically disabled, as in no way he can march, tramp across hill and valley and use an automat, he just can't do it, plus his vocation was what could be called secure and important. Protestations of the disability and vocation fell on deaf ears and he was ordered to report for training. He communicated that fact to us, a plan was hatched and long story short he and his wife were met and brought to safety. They left everything including food in the refrigerator, they arrived with the clothes on their backs.

    Over the last period of time we have discussed the situation in his previous home region. Please understand that their residence is quite some distance from the war. Here is what they communicated to us.

    Their local hospitals are full of wounded from the fighting that in theory ended some weeks ago. The lady stated quite clearly that wounded are still coming in for treatment after the current cease fire began, ergo the fighting may have abated but has not stopped. Considering the distances between their location and the front lines the Uke casualties are significant to this day. The lady also stated that medical care for civilians has deteriorated dramatically this year, medicines of many types are very hard to find and when found the expense is high. Physician care is difficult to obtain in their city, the city being not small. With the work load of the wounded the doctors have little time for the civilians. She stated that about half of the doctors at the large hospital near their home had left, to where she did not know but she stated that most of the absent doctor's families were also gone. She stated that the same can be said of other medical vocations at that hospital, many have left.

    The workings of City Administration have deteriorated. He stated that the city was never what could be called efficient but in the last year most city services have ceased to operate. Road repairs do not happen with some of the roads becoming impassable to vehicle transit. Utility services are working to a great extent but if something does fail, water, gas, electric, sewer, the repair service times can be long. Prices for utilities have increased dramatically and another increase is expected by the first of October. She stated that even on their salaries it was becoming difficult to balance the increased costs of utilities against the growing food prices. She stated that these combined cost increases have had an appalling effect on the poor and the pensioners. He stated that the nearby heating plant for flats, a large one, ceased to operate in early spring and he states there are no coal supplies for that plant at the time they left. They both stated that the city transit systems are deteriorating rapidly and most of the private small buses have ceased to operate and have disappeared. They both stated that private trucks and cars are often confiscated by both the government and various radical party members for the war effort.

    They both stated that they knew people who had disappeared. She stated that in one instance she witnessed SBU literally kicked in a front door and arrested the wife of a man serving in Donbas. She was taken away and has not been heard from or of since, this incident was in April. Her child was handed to a neighbor who is not a relative. That neighbor has since left and the lady stated she has no idea what happened to the child. After the woman was taken away, she stated that the local Right Sector cadre arrived as SBU left and looted the entire domicile, taking everything right down to household chemicals and clothing and when leaving they broke all the windows in the domicile. An elderly pensioner who protested what they were doing was knocked down and beaten severely enough to require hospital care, which was not available. She stated that the pensioner was cared for by his wife and another pensioner who is a retired nurse. She stated the pensioner has since died, she did not know if his demise was from the beating or age related.

    They both stated that many citizens are in fear. One accusation of separatist sympathies, no matter how innocuous, will bring a visit from Right Sector with almost always an arrest and the subsequent looting of the domicile. They both stated that Militsiya simply stands aside and watches the arrests and looting and often participate in the looting. They both stated that the citizens wonder why there are so many military age men running around with various radical party insignia on their uniforms while the drafts continue, taking every larger numbers of military aged men, and many not so military aged. He stated that the last round of mobilization before he got his notice garnered less than 20% of the men to be mobilized. He stated that those who have money or connections avoid the draft by paying a substantial bribe. Those who have no money leave instantly, to where he does not know.

    In essence the picture they painted of current life in Ukraine was not pretty. The fear in her eyes was palpable when we spoke to them on their arrival. That fear has now disappeared as the couple start a new life, building anew what they abandoned in Ukraine. I have left out a great deal of what they told us, that so there is no possibility of their old location being identified.



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