The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

http://www.rt.com/business/316562-ukraine-russia-gas-winter/

Russia and Ukraine have agreed to resume gas shipments after months of squabbling over prices. With $500 million from the EU, Kiev can buy 2 billion cubic meters for the winter season. But Gazprom warns Ukraine may still run out of gas before winter ends.

Following rounds of trilateral and bilateral negotiations over the past few months, the EU Commission, Moscow, and Kiev have agreed on terms for gas supplies to Ukraine for the upcoming winter period. From the 1st of October through the end of March 2016, Kiev is expected to buy 2 billion cubic meters.

“After the [initialed protocol] document is signed, Ukraine will start buying our gas. We expect the purchase to begin on October 1,” Russian energy giant Gazprom’s chief executive, Aleksey Miller, said after Kiev and Moscow initialized the binding protocol.

Kyiv claimed that their crops production increased 2.4 million tons this year and they believed that it will increase ~ 5 mil. tonnes next year.

http://uacrisis.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/infographics_EN.jpg

higurashihougi wrote:Kyiv claimed that their crops production increased 2.4 million tons this year and they believed that it will increase ~ 5 mil. tonnes next year.

http://uacrisis.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/infographics_EN.jpg

They wish

Data collected and collated by Dr.Preobrazensky

Eagerly awaiting pie chart....

higurashihougi wrote:http://www.rt.com/business/316562-ukraine-russia-gas-winter/

Russia and Ukraine have agreed to resume gas shipments after months of squabbling over prices. With $500 million from the EU, Kiev can buy 2 billion cubic meters for the winter season. But Gazprom warns Ukraine may still run out of gas before winter ends.

Following rounds of trilateral and bilateral negotiations over the past few months, the EU Commission, Moscow, and Kiev have agreed on terms for gas supplies to Ukraine for the upcoming winter period. From the 1st of October through the end of March 2016, Kiev is expected to buy 2 billion cubic meters.

“After the [initialed protocol] document is signed, Ukraine will start buying our gas. We expect the purchase to begin on October 1,” Russian energy giant Gazprom’s chief executive, Aleksey Miller, said after Kiev and Moscow initialized the binding protocol.

So the EU just have $500mill to throw towards Kiev. It's money down a black hole.

PapaDragon wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:Kyiv claimed that their crops production increased 2.4 million tons this year and they believed that it will increase ~ 5 mil. tonnes next year.

http://uacrisis.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/infographics_EN.jpg

They wish  

Data collected and collated by Dr.Preobrazensky        

Eagerly awaiting pie chart....

You get an upvote for that one. He certainly was optimistic concerning his friends.

NAF said the explosion was caused by a Strela 10 explosion. I think this unlikely and what happened was this was caused by saboteurs because a SAM simply does not explode.

ultron wrote:NAF said the explosion was caused by a Strela 10 explosion. I think this unlikely and what happened was this was caused by saboteurs because a SAM simply does not explode.

Not necessary. The Strela-10 missile could be old and unstable. Or it could in time of its handling fall on the ground from higher altitude. Who knows, in what condition it was captured from Ukrainian army or in what conditions it was stored for years. SAM missile also have a warhead and rocket fuel. Damages could bring to explosion.

Regular wrote:
Terrible. Hope those responsible will be hunted down. But how the hell someone could infiltrate and plant the bomb in such event? Sounds crazy, or separatists have rats among them.  

This traitor "Ivan Donbass" https://vk.com/id275847676 AKA "Petya Vetrov" https://vk.com/id321618791 Real name Evgeniy Listopad. He had been a member of "Sparta" and had fought from the beginning at Slavyansk, had distinguished himself in other combat and been awarded medals for his actions at Donetsk airport. "Sparta" do not understand why he defected. But this is one of the hallmarks of civil war, how many times did entire battalions change side during the Civil War, multiple times some of them. He is now persona non grata. Info about him on "Sparta" wall https://vk.com/sparta_orb?w=wall-88853749_7700
Still suspected that the terror attack at Torez was by a small explosive charge with timer being dropped into the Strela-10 fuel tank.

The traitor Evgeniy Listopad

Wouldn't be so quick to blame him. He proven to be good soldier it seems. Wen't through all the hell when things were really hard and fate of separatists were hanging on the thread. If he was a diversant then he sure wrecked the hell out Ukr army, according to sparta thanks to him they took 4 tanks out, 2 APCs and eliminated over 60 ukrs. And then he killed 2 kids and run away? Seriously? Would be beyond idiotic if he pulled this shameful act.
He doesn't look like a terrorist to me, more or less just narcissistic tourist who got bored in peace time. Probably went to Russia to hop another steroid cycle and masturbate at himself in the mirror. What can I say? I can only hope what I am saying is true, if he indeed did this I do hope it gets to him. War will be over and someone will definitely will find him.
People I speak with who were actually there said there are plenty of people like him, so many tacticool volunteers who run away with their tails tucked after seeing first battle. There are thieves, cowards and it's pretty hard to form proper units. Army takes the best and worst of society. And don't forget there are many adventure seeking bogatyrs from Russia, hell knows if they just want to fight or help. That's there are units who don't accept volunteer fighters from Russia.

PapaDragon wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:Kyiv claimed that their crops production increased 2.4 million tons this year and they believed that it will increase ~ 5 mil. tonnes next year.

http://uacrisis.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/infographics_EN.jpg

They wish  

Data collected and collated by Dr.Preobrazensky        

Eagerly awaiting pie chart....

Hey, why not?

It's never been a secret that after losing its industries, the Ukraine will regress to being a primarily agricultural nation.

With hundreds of thousands of people out of work this year, and several hundred thousand more next year - if emigration is not an option than working the land is really the only option they have.

Regular wrote:Wouldn't be so quick to blame him. He proven to be good soldier it seems. Wen't through all the hell when things were really hard and fate of separatists were hanging on the thread. If he was a diversant then he sure wrecked the hell out Ukr army, according to sparta thanks to him they took 4 tanks out, 2 APCs and eliminated over 60 ukrs. And then he killed 2 kids and run away? Seriously? Would be beyond idiotic if he pulled this shameful act.
He doesn't look like a terrorist to me, more or less just narcissistic tourist who got bored in peace time. Probably went to Russia to hop another steroid cycle and masturbate at himself in the mirror. What can I say?
People I speak with who were actually there said there are plenty of people like him, so many tacticool volunteers who run away with their tails tucked after seeing first battle. There are thieves, cowards, people who get into shit units and it's pretty hard to form proper units. Army takes the best and worst of society. And don't forget there are many adventure seeking bogatyrs from Russia, hell knows if they just want to fight or help. That's there are units who don't accept volunteer fighters from Russia.

I forgot to put in the post that he is now with "Azov" actively fighting against his former comrades. If he had broken under the strain and deserted, then that would be sad and understandable, but to go to the enemy and fight for them is different, and difficult to understand when he has fought bravely for Donbass for more than a year. He must know he has gone to the side that will loose and that when the war returns he will likely not survive. He is not thought to be responsible for Torez, it's just co-incidence that news of his defection has been made public at the same time. $10,600 reward offered for info about Torez.

Khepesh wrote:

Regular wrote:Wouldn't be so quick to blame him. He proven to be good soldier it seems. Wen't through all the hell when things were really hard and fate of separatists were hanging on the thread. If he was a diversant then he sure wrecked the hell out Ukr army, according to sparta thanks to him they took 4 tanks out, 2 APCs and eliminated over 60 ukrs. And then he killed 2 kids and run away? Seriously? Would be beyond idiotic if he pulled this shameful act.
He doesn't look like a terrorist to me, more or less just narcissistic tourist who got bored in peace time. Probably went to Russia to hop another steroid cycle and masturbate at himself in the mirror. What can I say?
People I speak with who were actually there said there are plenty of people like him, so many tacticool volunteers who run away with their tails tucked after seeing first battle. There are thieves, cowards, people who get into shit units and it's pretty hard to form proper units. Army takes the best and worst of society. And don't forget there are many adventure seeking bogatyrs from Russia, hell knows if they just want to fight or help. That's there are units who don't accept volunteer fighters from Russia.

I forgot to put in the post that he is now with "Azov" actively fighting against his former comrades. He is not thought to be responsible for Torez, it's just co-incidence that news of his defection has been made public at the same time. $10,600 reward offered for info about Torez.

Thanks for the info. It's bizzare! Not that it's new thing in civil war. He was nazi sympathizer anyway. One of my friends just wrote short summary about him. He is said to be injured after all this fighting too. I hope his friends in Azov are proud of his achievements while he was fighting for separatists. I do hope he is wearing medals he earned.

In the West for years we have had the saying "Oh, those crazy Russians!"
Who knew they were Ukrainians all this time?



Interfax: 09/26 18:14 Ukrainian Prosecutor General's Office ordered to launch inquiry against Yatseniuk - Rada deputy

All coups and revolutions eventually eat their young and each other. Fact.

franco wrote:In the West for years we have had the saying "Oh, those crazy Russians!"
Who knew they were Ukrainians all this time?



Interfax: 09/26 18:14   Ukrainian Prosecutor General's Office ordered to launch inquiry against Yatseniuk - Rada deputy

I have been thinking the same exact thing for more then a year now.

Another blast in Odessa, this time the target is Ukrainian Sercurity Service office.

RT described it as the mightiest blast so far.

http://www.rt.com/news/316620-odessa-blast-security-service-ukraine/

Explosion at SBU headquarters in Odessa is thought to be a provocation caused by SBU themselves. The building is usually well protected but it is reported that yesterday there was less than normal. The explosive was planted by a cleaners door and did nothing to affect the working of the building and it seems an odd waste of an estimated 8-10 kilo of HE to blow up a janitors storeroom. All previous incidents in Odessa have involved grenades turned into IED. Any group who suddenly aquired 8-10 kilo of HE would use it more carefully, not blowing up broom cuboard, and would find it better to make a lot of smaller devices to create mayhem in a wider pattern and over a longer period. Of course it would be a very easy matter for SBU to obtain this amount explosive, not so for any partizans. After the terror attack at Torez it could be suspected that something may occur at Odessa and or Kharkov, but to do so would be counter-productive at this time. Perhaps ukrops were hoping for a reprisal for Torez, and when nothing they had to manufacture one in order to create yet more excuses for rounding up citizens and further repressive measures. Could even be that the Torez bomb was specifically intended to get a reaction, or if no reaction, to manufacture one. This is deeply cynical, but not even surprising if it eventually turns out true. With Saakashvili and Poroshenko with McCain operating them like puppets, them anything, no matter how outrageous, is possible.

Khepesh wrote:Explosion at SBU headquarters in Odessa is thought to be a provocation caused by SBU themselves. The building is usually well protected but it is reported that yesterday there was less than normal. The explosive was planted by a cleaners door and did nothing to affect the working of the building and it seems an odd waste of an estimated 8-10 kilo of HE to blow up a janitors storeroom. All previous incidents in Odessa have involved grenades turned into IED. Any group who suddenly aquired 8-10 kilo of HE would use it more carefully, not blowing up broom cuboard, and would find it better to make a lot of smaller devices to create mayhem in a wider pattern and over a longer period. Of course it would be a very easy matter for SBU to obtain this amount explosive, not so for any partizans. After the terror attack at Torez it could be suspected that something may occur at Odessa and or Kharkov, but to do so would be counter-productive at this time. Perhaps ukrops were hoping for a reprisal for Torez, and when nothing they had to manufacture one in order to create yet more excuses for rounding up citizens and further repressive measures. Could even be that the Torez bomb was specifically intended to get a reaction, or if no reaction, to manufacture one. This is deeply cynical, but not even surprising if it eventually turns out true. With Saakashvili and Poroshenko with McCain operating them like puppets, them anything, no matter how outrageous, is possible.

Why would the SBU blow up a broom cupboard with 10kg of HE?

to get more resources? Money, equipement, men. For not to be sent on ATO zone? I do not know, but it wasnt once that firefighters provoked forest fire in order to get bonuses

This video is now circulating on the networks and official media saying it shows the moment the bomb went off in Odessa. It is from Odessa, but last year and a much smaller bomb. I remembered that this video was also used about an attack in Kharkov earlier this year, and I do not doubt it will appear again in the future......

What is circulated now, and so new it does not yet even register any views when I first saw it.


Same video, showing the actual bomb being planted,  from nine months ago that I am sure everybody is familiar with.