The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

Latest South Front military report, it seems that after a week of relative quite, the shelling has started up again yesterday.

JohninMK wrote:Extracted from today's OSCE report. Clearly stuff heading West is not a normal sight for them. Probably broken on the way to repair.

I just read all of that report. It is bizarre, they mention about two empty flatbeds, wow! I wonder what relevance we are to take from that. They mention seeing a few VSN tanks here and there doing nothing, yet, and this is not a secret, failed to identify a large fire and manouvre exercise of VSN tank forces at Mospino in the time frame of the report. The noise made during the exercise was so loud it was hear 12 km away. This was not during the time period of the part I directly quote here. This is from another dimension that they say they heard 58 explosions in Donetsk city center from mortars or artillery. And that these morons cannot determine if these, non existant, explosions are outgoing or incoming is unbelievable, well, no, it isn't

In Donetsk city centre the SMM monitored commemorations of the liberation of the Donbas area at the end of World War II, attended by up to 1,000 people, and organised by Donetsk “city hall”. While present in the city centre, the SMM heard 58 explosions which the SMM assessed to be consistent with artillery or mortar fire between 10:30 and 12:07hrs. The SMM could not confirm the type of weapon or whether the explosions were incoming or outgoing.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Vann7 wrote:breaking news.. US demands Greece and Bulgaria to close its Airspace to all
civilian flights of Russia with humanitarian Aid to Syria.. At least the Pigs in Bulgaria
Government have officially said they agreed to shut down its airspace to Russia.. and seems Greece is ambiguous of where close its airspace or not..

The hostilities of Americans to Russia is only incrementing , i really Hope Russia close its Airspace to all flights of Americans towards Russia airspace.. and shut down any cooperation with NASA or its pentagon. Force the ambassador or any diplomatic source to fligh using Russian planes to enter in Russia and leave. China and Kazakistan could also blockade all American flights too ,to backup Russia.

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150908/1026732699.html

Here the danger is that Russia to supply Syria will be forced fly over IRAN and then IRAQ which
will be ideal for Terrorist States of America criminal Agencies like CIA to supply Advanced missiles to ISIS to shut down their planes beyond 10,000 m altitude.  it was said for example in Syria , according to major blogs of Syrian citizens ,the Terrorist have been since 2014 supplied groud to air sams that can shut down planes are much more higher altitudes than Portable manpads.

Essentially Americans actions put at risk the lives of Russian pilots of any Civilian or military Cargo plane. i really hope Russia retaliates with war if any of its planes are shut down over IRAQ..for being forced to change its course towards a really dangerous zone. Someone needs to kick their Asses real hard for them to stop its arrogance and hostilities and crimes against humanity against millions in the world.

Russia will do nothing. It never does when stabbed to back by its western partners. Russia only does gestures of goodwill.

Karl listen, you're a funny guy, and I like you, but carry on like this and I'll kill you

Erk wrote:

Godric wrote:

sepheronx wrote:http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150909/1026788388.html

By doing what you old hag? By going to nuclear war with Russia?

Maybe the national inquirer is right. Maybe she had strokes.  Cause there clearly is brain damage involved with that woman.

she is a evil bitch ... if she gets elected president she will start WW3 mark my words ... her whoops of joy at Gadaffi being murdered live on TV was one of the most disgusting things I have ever witnessed an absolute boot of a woman

Clinton is the personification of pure evil, nothing good will happen if she becomes president, not for the US or the rest of the world, she is just too corrupt and thinks she is above the law, be it domestic or international law.

I AGREE with that, but I don't believe she'll be elected. Her day is done.

From Reuters


World | Wed Sep 9, 2015 4:45pm EDT
Related: World, Russia
Exclusive: Russia building major military base near Ukrainian border
SOLOTI, Russia | By Anton Zverev


http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/09/us-ukraine-crisis-exclusive-idUSKCN0R924G20150909

Russia has started to build a huge military base housing ammunition depots and barracks for several thousand soldiers near the Ukrainian border, a project that suggests the Kremlin is digging in for a prolonged stand-off with Kiev.

The base, when completed, will even have its own swimming pool, skating rink and barber shop, according to public documents. This week workmen were erecting a fence in a cornfield outside the village of Soloti to mark out the perimeter, and told a Reuters reporter to leave, accusing him of being an Ukrainian spy.

more @ link

Cowboy's daughter wrote:From Reuters


World | Wed Sep 9, 2015 4:45pm EDT
Related: World, Russia
Exclusive: Russia building major military base near Ukrainian border
SOLOTI, Russia | By Anton Zverev


http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/09/us-ukraine-crisis-exclusive-idUSKCN0R924G20150909

Russia has started to build a huge military base housing ammunition depots and barracks for several thousand soldiers near the Ukrainian border, a project that suggests the Kremlin is digging in for a prolonged stand-off with Kiev.

The base, when completed, will even have its own swimming pool, skating rink and barber shop, according to public documents. This week workmen were erecting a fence in a cornfield outside the village of Soloti to mark out the perimeter, and told a Reuters reporter to leave, accusing him of being an Ukrainian spy.

more @ link

Whatever happens in Kiev, what did they expect? NATO has de-facto moved its operations closer to Russia. Russia has lost a 'buffer' zone. Of course Russia is going to 'harden' up its facilities facing the West.

Minsk 2

http://slavyangrad.org/2015/02/12/minsk-agreement-2-0-february-12-2015/

A Set of Measures for the Implementation of the Minsk Agreements

Immediate and comprehensive ceasefire in certain areas of the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions of Ukraine and its strict implementation commencing at 00 h. 00 min. (Kiev), on February 15, 2015.

Withdrawal of all heavy weapons by both sides to equal distances in order to create a security zone with a width of at least 50 km between them for artillery systems with a calibre of 100 mm and more, and a security zone with a width of 70 km for MLRS and with a width of 140 km for MLRS “Tornado-S” “Uragan,” “Smerch” and tactical missile systems “Tochka” (“Tochka-U”):

– for the Ukrainian troops: from the actual line of contact;

– for the armed formations of certain areas of the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions of Ukraine: from the line of contact in accordance with the Minsk Memorandum of September 19, 2014.

The withdrawal of heavy weapons set out above shall begin no later than the second day after the cease-fire and end within 14 days.

This process will be assisted by the OSCE, with the support of the Trilateral Contact Group.

On the part of the OSCE, to ensure effective monitoring and verification of the ceasefire and the withdrawal of heavy weapons from the first day of the withdrawal, with the use of all necessary means, including satellites, drones, radar systems and so forth.

On the first day following the withdrawal to begin a dialogue with respect to the modalities of the local elections in accordance with Ukrainian legislation and the Law of Ukraine “On the temporary order of local government in certain areas of the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions,” as well as with respect to the future operation of these areas on the basis of the Law.

Immediately, and not later than 30 days from the date of signing of this document, to adopt a resolution of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine with the specification of the territory covered by the special regime provided for in the Law of Ukraine “On the temporary order of local government in certain areas of the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions”, [such territory] to be based on the line set out in the Minsk Memorandum of September 19, 2014

Provide pardons and amnesties by means of enacting a law prohibiting the prosecution and punishment of persons in connection with the events that took place in certain areas of the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions of Ukraine.

Facilitate the release and exchange of all hostages and illegally detained persons, based on the principle of “all for all”. This process must be completed no later than the fifth day following the withdrawal.

Provide secure access, delivery, storage and distribution of humanitarian assistance to those in need on the basis of an international mechanism.

Determination of the modalities of the full restoration of the socio-economic relations, including social transfers, such as pensions and other payments (receipts and income, timely payment of all utility bills, renewal of taxation within the legal framework of Ukraine).

To this end, Ukraine shall re-establish control over the segment of its banking system in the areas affected by conflict, and it is possible that an international mechanism to facilitate such transfers will be created.

Restoration of full control by the government of Ukraine over the state border throughout the conflict zone, which shall begin on the first day following the local elections and be completed following a comprehensive political settlement ([to wit:] [1] local elections in certain areas of the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions on the basis of the Law of Ukraine and [2] a constitutional reform) by the end of 2015, subject to the fulfilment of Paragraph 11—in consultation and by agreement with the representatives of certain areas of the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions within the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group.

Withdrawal of all foreign armed units, military equipment, as well as mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under the supervision of the OSCE. The disarmament of all illegal groups.

Passing of a constitutional reform in Ukraine with the entry into force by the end of 2015 of a new constitution, which shall incorporate decentralization as a key element (taking into account the characteristics of certain areas of the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions, to be agreed upon with the representatives of these areas), as well as, before the end of 2015, adoption of permanent legislation with respect to the special status of certain areas of the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions in accordance with the measures specified in Note [1].

On the basis of the Law of Ukraine “On the temporary order of local government in certain areas of the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions”, all questions regarding local elections shall be discussed and agreed upon with the representatives of these areas of the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions within the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group. Elections shall be held in compliance with the relevant standards of the OSCE and shall be monitored by the OSCE ODIHR.

To intensify the activities of the Trilateral Contact Group, including through the establishment of working groups to implement the relevant aspects of the Minsk Agreements. [These working groups] shall reflect the composition of the Trilateral Contact Group.

Note 1:

Such measures in accordance with the Law “On the special order of local government in certain areas of the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions” shall include the following:

exemption from punishment, harassment and discrimination of individuals associated with the events that took place in certain areas of the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions;

the right to linguistic self-determination;

participation of local governments in the appointment of the heads of prosecutorial bodies and the courts in certain areas of the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions;

ability for the central executive authorities to enter into agreements regarding economic, social and cultural development of certain regions of the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions with the relevant local authorities;

the State shall support the socio-economic development of individual regions of the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions;

facilitation by the central government of cross-border cooperation between certain areas of the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions and the regions of the Russian Federation;

establishment of units of People’s Militia by order of local councils with the goal of maintaining public order in certain areas of the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions;

the powers of local council deputies and officers elected in early elections, to be set by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine in accordance with this law, may not be terminated.

Not a single person in Mariupol knows Ukraine's national anthem or doesn't want to sing it

This was filmed on 1st September, the first day of school.

Ex-Ukrainian PM Tymoshenko accuses government of embezzling 3.1 billion cu m of gas
Business & Economy
September 09, 17:23 UTC+3
Moreover, according to Tymoshenko, the coalition in the Ukrainian national parliament should make a decision on the government change as it has failed the reform and could not get rid of corruption


http://tass.ru/en/economy/819906

KIEV, September 9. /TASS/. The leader of the Batkivshchyna party, ex-Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko told journalists on Wednesday that she has prepared a request to the Prosecutor General’s Office of Ukraine, in which she accuses the government of "giving corruption structures close to the government" 3.1 billion cubic meters of gas.

"I have drafted a request to the Prosecutor General’s Office. Now I have a statement on crimes that resulted in the formation of speculative prices for gas for Ukraine’s population," Tymoshenko said.

She explained that "instead of giving 3.1 billion cu m to the population, it was given to corruption structures close to the government on the corruption basis."

The politician also said the country’s government and relevant state structures illegally raised domestic prices for gas for the population to the market level despite the fact that Kiev’s memorandum with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) defines that economical prices should be in force only from April 2017.

"Excessive money was charged from people, there are elements of a crime in setting unreasonably high tariffs for gas," Tymoshenko said.

She said that as a result, "billions of hryvnias" were with government assistance "seized from citizens by dishonest means."

Moreover, according to Tymoshenko, the coalition in the Ukrainian national parliament, Verkhovna Rada, should make a decision on the government change.

She said, substantiating her proposal, that "the government has failed the reform and could not get rid of corruption."

Tymoshenko also drew attention to the tight socio-economic situation in which the Ukrainian population has found itself, saying that the "people have been driven to a point of extreme despair."

Normandy Four foreign ministers to meet September 12 in Berlin
Politics & Diplomacy
September 10, 2:05 UTC+3


http://tass.ru/en/politics/820042

KIEV, September 10. /TASS/. The presidents of Ukraine, Russia, Germany and France have agreed, during phone talks, on the date of a foreign ministerial meeting in the Normandy format, the Ukrainian presidential press service reported.

"The interlocutors agreed on a further schedule of contacts in the Normandy format: a meeting of foreign ministers on September 12 in Berlin and a top level meeting in early October in Paris," the statement said.

Besides, the leaders "noted considerable progress on the path toward cessation of fire and noted the necessity to sign as soon as possible the document on withdrawal from the disengagement line of tanks and guns with the calibers of up to 100 millimeters and mortars up to 120 millimeters with due monitoring and verification of the pullback regime on the part of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission [SMM] inspectors, in particular, by establishing permanent points along the disengagement line.

more at link

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Vann...

I really don't like to repeat myself.

The number of refugees that arrived in Europe is over 100,000. How many men does ISIS have if they can send 100,000 to Europe and not even feel it? The entire rebel force (excluding ISIS) in Syria is about 100-150,000. ISIS has maybe 50,000 men out of which "core" is maybe 10,000 and the rest are tribal militias, neo-Naathists etc.

No doubt there are Jihadi supporters (a good percentage of Arab Muslims hold pro-Jihadi sympathies) and even ISIS sleeper cells among them - but your idea that the entire thing was orchestrated by America to flood EUrope with ISIS fighters is ridiculous.

I never said ALL refugees are ISIS.. only that most of them appears to be males of combat age
18-36 ,well feed ,not remotely starving  ,well shaved ,clean clothing ..

Go look this report..



Before saying is "Ridiculous" many of the Rebels have Go pro cameras and the latest Iphones..
If they were in a refugee camp..they were supposed to be poor.. and not wealthy. If you ever have traveled anywhere outside your home for vacation ,you will see how many packages you need even for 3 days staying in a resort.  This people are supposed to be Refugees that have been traveling for months ,and got money for a train ticket.. who paid that ticket? Did you know there are reports of reliable blogers that many of the so called "Syrian refugees" have forged documents of their real nation they came? Are we supposed to believe this people travel 1,000 km ,sleep in the open ,with just one bag and appearing all clean ,all shaved , where are their beards?  And according to Russia  they told last year ISIS forces are about 70,000. and IRAQ government about 200,000. you can read it here..

http://warontherocks.com/2015/02/how-many-fighters-does-the-islamic-state-really-have/

The people who coordinated the 9/11 WTC attacks in 2001,that is 4-5 planes hijacked ,precision attacks in 3 buildings.. such gigantic operation ,do have the capabilities to move such big numbers of Terrorist inside the heart of Europe.. and faking to be REfugees is the Perfect
camouflage for them.  

I really think many of them.. in the many thousands are Rebels who were aiding ISIS ,and moving to Europe.. either to create unrest there.. or returning to their real homes.. and the people who helped them ,to enter in Syria and now taking them back . Aside the the children
found on the beach drawn have been already reported to be a staged crime scene.

Not necessarily the next report is 100% accurate but it have many interesting points to
consider about the Refugee crisis.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article188623.html

i really think most of the REfugees are sleep terrorist cells by the CIA ,and they planning to
redeploy them somewhere else in another "Freedom fighters" conflict by Americans and its more Rusophobic allies..  Perhaps Kaliningrad or to Ukraine to fight against eastern Ukraine ,with suicide bombers and all that. or simply used against Europe to pressure them to stop lifting the
economic blockade on Russia by Americans and interfering in their proxy war in Ukraine.

In short.. yes i believe the American Government is perfectly capable of smuggling 50,000 ISIS mercenaries in the heart of Europe , and use them as a weapon against any nation not loyal enough to US IMperialism. thats is their style.. Mafia Blackmail tactics.. of "if you dont support us ,we will send you people to destroy your business. " Thats the way it is for the land of "freedom" , how USA foreign policies operate since many decades.

i will actually be very surprised if Americans have not already been smugling in the thousands
ISIS fighters in Germany and France and other European countries in Rebellion to American
Imperialism. And a REfugee crisis is the most ideal way to do that.. to infiltrate terrorist in Europe.  Even NATO planes were being used to transport jihadist terrorist radicals into Turkey and from there to IRAQ and Syria. according to French investigator..Already this terror groups operation existed since soviet times..  wiki for Operation gladio.. they are American recruited trouble makers, gangs ,bandits ,criminals ,drug smugglers..
people with Criminal activites were recruited by the CIA as sleep terrorist cells...and their job
was going to be create chaos in any European country that was befriending Soviet Union.

This other report is gold.. shows videos of ISIS mercenaries ,using Turkey cities public transportation system and not stopped or arrested.. and direct participation of Turkey a US major NATO ally with aid to ISIS..  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFDMU6xYy6c

How can expect anything good to come if Turkey who is directly helping ISIS sends now
"REfugees" into Europe?

Update ...

Super breaking news..  
wow.. THis is big.. If true.. there is major break down of diplomacy between
Russia and Turkey.  

Apparently the General of the Russian Army is advocating for giving accurate missiles
to Syria ,so it can target  Turkish President bedroom.      

Russian chief of Staff, General Valery Gerasimov:

Here in Moscow we were keen on discerning how much public support there is for Erdoğan, added Gen. Gerasimov, and now we believe he is nothing but a megalomaniac despot dreaming to restore the rotten Ottoman Empire by subjugating Turkey's neighboring countries; but as it concerns the Russian Federation, the more Erdoğan supports his al-Qaeda mercenaries, the faster will come his fall.

Through the history Russians never dumped their allies, and according to orders issued by Mr. President [Putin], the best of Russian elite forces will soon put boots on the ground in Syria to annihilate Saudi and Turkish-backed terrorists,"

Moscow will provide Syria with accurate ballistic missiles to target Erdoğan’s own bedroom, so that Turkey and Syria can get rid of the Hitler of Middle-East.

http://www.awdnews.com/top-news/russian-chief-general-we-shall-provide-syria-with-accurate-missiles-so-that-they-can-target-turkish-president-s-bedroom


IF that information is confirmed to be true..
it could signficantly trigger Russia to become
really close into a major confrontation with Turkey and military one.  

Putin could have easily demanded all his generals silence.. to avoid any confrontation
with Turkey. but now something looks that have changed in Russia , Putin not even
have distanced from his top general staff comments.

This means ladies and gentlemans that the mood for a Russia Vs Turkey war already exist. at least on the Russian Armed forces.. and that the kremlin is evaluating it.


Honestly i really think ,if it was by me.. i will have declared war already to Turkey after the  first 2 years of the war and use the war and nuke Sauri Arabia oil fields.. explaining it was retaliation to them for arming ISIS.. That will sky rocket oil prices to heaven  and no one in NATO will
fight Russia in a possible nuclear war in defense of Turkey ,for helping ISIS and even less in defense of Saudi Arabia..  But for this war to work the help of China will be needed and as many allies possible.. including IRAN and a limited invasion of Turkey only to scare them and beat them a little so they shutdown their borders to ISIS..

What will happen in the future between Russia and Turkey ,i dont know.. perhaps cold war..
but , but i know that the unthinkable happens and Russia start a war with Turkey they should start the war with a dozen of cruise missile strikes on Saudi Oil fields and justify it for them supplying AMerican lethal weapons to ISIS to attack their combat jets in Syria. and also Russia should get the FUll help of IRAN this will dramatically increase the energy prices and help Russian sales of Oil and Gas. Saudis will be out of the oil business for many months and the high Oil prices will help neutralize the cost of any war with Turkey.

JohninMK wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:From Reuters


World | Wed Sep 9, 2015 4:45pm EDT
Related: World, Russia
Exclusive: Russia building major military base near Ukrainian border
SOLOTI, Russia | By Anton Zverev


http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/09/us-ukraine-crisis-exclusive-idUSKCN0R924G20150909

Russia has started to build a huge military base housing ammunition depots and barracks for several thousand soldiers near the Ukrainian border, a project that suggests the Kremlin is digging in for a prolonged stand-off with Kiev.

The base, when completed, will even have its own swimming pool, skating rink and barber shop, according to public documents. This week workmen were erecting a fence in a cornfield outside the village of Soloti to mark out the perimeter, and told a Reuters reporter to leave, accusing him of being an Ukrainian spy.

more @ link

Whatever happens in Kiev, what did they expect? NATO has de-facto moved its operations closer to Russia. Russia has lost a 'buffer' zone. Of course Russia is going to 'harden' up its facilities facing the West.

Yes, plus I think Russia is going to control flow of persons across Russia's border with Ukraine.

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:From Reuters


World | Wed Sep 9, 2015 4:45pm EDT
Related: World, Russia
Exclusive: Russia building major military base near Ukrainian border
SOLOTI, Russia | By Anton Zverev


http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/09/us-ukraine-crisis-exclusive-idUSKCN0R924G20150909

Russia has started to build a huge military base housing ammunition depots and barracks for several thousand soldiers near the Ukrainian border, a project that suggests the Kremlin is digging in for a prolonged stand-off with Kiev.

The base, when completed, will even have its own swimming pool, skating rink and barber shop, according to public documents. This week workmen were erecting a fence in a cornfield outside the village of Soloti to mark out the perimeter, and told a Reuters reporter to leave, accusing him of being an Ukrainian spy.

more @ link

Whatever happens in Kiev, what did they expect? NATO has de-facto moved its operations closer to Russia. Russia has lost a 'buffer' zone. Of course Russia is going to 'harden' up its facilities facing the West.

Yes, plus I think Russia is going to control flow of persons across Russia's border with Ukraine.

Soloti is like 30km from the Ukrainian border, hardly close enough to control border crossing.

Vann7 wrote:Turkey vs Russia

Regular wrote:

Vann7 wrote:Turkey vs Russia

It would of course not only be Turkey but also NATO, Saudi Arabia and all countries trying to break Syria. That's really bad.

gregoire wrote:

Regular wrote:

Vann7 wrote:Turkey vs Russia

It would of course not only be Turkey but also NATO, Saudi Arabia and all countries trying to break Syria. That's really bad.

It's an attack on Russia, the gas pipeline from Qatar to the EU via Syria is what it is all about, that pipeline is a huge threat to Russian gas exports until such time that China becomes their biggest gas customer. The Ukraine crisis is partially a distraction created by the US/EU for Russia whilst they storm Syria to help Qatar/EU oust Assad who is blocking the pipeline.

gregoire wrote:

Regular wrote:

Vann7 wrote:Turkey vs Russia

It would of course not only be Turkey but also NATO, Saudi Arabia and all countries trying to break Syria. That's really bad.

Can we all stick to Ukraine here and discuss Syria and Gaddafi's prophecy coming true on its own thread?

Yesterday in Odessa there were in fact disturbances caused by pravy sektor outside the courthouse. Not significant, chanting, waving banners and a few tyres burnt. The two pravy sektor defendents, Sternenko and Demchuk, were jailed for two months. What is potentially more significant is that Yarosh has called for protests in Ukraine, and a thinly veiled threat that it becomes impossible to deter people from armed resistance to Kiev, which he says should stop being counter revolutionary. It's easy to dismiss this as hot air as Yarosh has often made similar remarks since the Mukachevo incident, but with such situations we cannot know what spark will ignite something bigger and unexpected. http://lifenews.ru/news/161206


On the Purgin affair. He has late last night made an interview to "Fotanka". That he is not going to contest his arrest and "resignation" shows that he has been told not to. However, he does say that he was essentially neutralised because he was capable of thinking for himself and of wanting to work in the interests of DNR. He also comments that it is odd that Zakharchenko is silent, and who controls the MGB. I'm going to leave this subject about Purgin, which I do not doubt will please some, unless a major problem occurs. I said yesterday that a rally is called for outside the State Administration building at midday this Saturday. I suspect this will not happen, or be very poorly attended. IMO, a good understanding of "Animal Farm" is required to understand some of what has and is happening in all of Ukraine, and the reasons for the murder of Mozgovoi should become clearer to any who had doubts.
http://www.fontanka.ru/2015/09/09/130/?feed

Khepesh wrote:Yesterday in Odessa there were in fact disturbances caused by pravy sektor outside the courthouse. Not significant, chanting, waving banners and a few tyres burnt. The two pravy sektor defendents, Sternenko and Demchuk, were jailed for two months. What is potentially more significant is that Yarosh has called for protests in Ukraine, and a thinly veiled threat that it becomes impossible to deter people from armed resistance to Kiev, which he says should stop being counter revolutionary. It's easy to dismiss this as hot air as Yarosh has often made similar remarks since the Mukachevo incident, but with such situations we cannot know what spark will ignite something bigger and unexpected. http://lifenews.ru/news/161206


On the Purgin affair. He has late last night made an interview to "Fotanka". That he is not going to contest his arrest and "resignation" shows that he has been told not to. However, he does say that he was essentially neutralised because he was capable of thinking for himself and of wanting to work in the interests of DNR. He also comments that it is odd that Zakharchenko is silent, and who controls the MGB. I'm going to leave this subject about Purgin, which I do not doubt will please some, unless a major problem occurs. I said yesterday that a rally is called for outside the State Administration building at midday this Saturday. I suspect this will not happen, or be very poorly attended. IMO, a good understanding of "Animal Farm" is required to understand some of what has and is happening in all of Ukraine, and the reasons for the murder of Mozgovoi should become clearer to any who had doubts.
http://www.fontanka.ru/2015/09/09/130/?feed

Doubts about what? I don't understand what's happening at all. In my opinion LPR and DPR can stay in Ukraine After they have wiped out the nazis. Maybe this is what it's all about. I don't know and have no clue why Mozgovoi was murdered but I'm certain it was an inside job. But if you ask me for motives, I really don't know why he was killed.

flamming_python wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Vann7 wrote:breaking news.. US demands Greece and Bulgaria to close its Airspace to all
civilian flights of Russia with humanitarian Aid to Syria.. At least the Pigs in Bulgaria
Government have officially said they agreed to shut down its airspace to Russia.. and seems Greece is ambiguous of where close its airspace or not..

The hostilities of Americans to Russia is only incrementing , i really Hope Russia close its Airspace to all flights of Americans towards Russia airspace.. and shut down any cooperation with NASA or its pentagon. Force the ambassador or any diplomatic source to fligh using Russian planes to enter in Russia and leave. China and Kazakistan could also blockade all American flights too ,to backup Russia.

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150908/1026732699.html

Here the danger is that Russia to supply Syria will be forced fly over IRAN and then IRAQ which
will be ideal for Terrorist States of America criminal Agencies like CIA to supply Advanced missiles to ISIS to shut down their planes beyond 10,000 m altitude.  it was said for example in Syria , according to major blogs of Syrian citizens ,the Terrorist have been since 2014 supplied groud to air sams that can shut down planes are much more higher altitudes than Portable manpads.

Essentially Americans actions put at risk the lives of Russian pilots of any Civilian or military Cargo plane. i really hope Russia retaliates with war if any of its planes are shut down over IRAQ..for being forced to change its course towards a really dangerous zone. Someone needs to kick their Asses real hard for them to stop its arrogance and hostilities and crimes against humanity against millions in the world.

Russia will do nothing. It never does when stabbed to back by its western partners. Russia only does gestures of goodwill.

Karl listen, you're a funny guy, and I like you, but carry on like this and I'll kill you

I don't think he got the reference.

Vann7 wrote:



Russian chief of Staff, General Valery Gerasimov:

I know its off thread but that is exactly the image of someone you really wouldn't want to cross and who you would want to be next to you in a fight. I bet he has some tales for his grandkids.

1001 likes for Sputnik, you know

http://sputniknews.com/cartoons/20150720/1024840893.html

This could become very interesting diplomatically, next stop The Hague (but I don't think so as that is only for the 'West' cases).

MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Russia has launched criminal charges against a number of highly-ranked Ukrainian military officials, including the country’s defense minister and the head of the General Staff, as well as Radical Party Leader Oleh Lyashko, Russian Investigative Committee spokesman Vladimir Markin said Thursday.

“A criminal case has been launched against Ukrainian Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak, Ukrainian Defense Ministry General Staff head Viktor Muzhenko, Ukrainian Grounds Troops Armed Forces Commander Anatoliy Pushnyakov, Ukrainian National Guard Commander Mykola Balan, and other individuals from Ukraine’s Armed Forces and National Guard,” Markin said. Markin said the highly-ranked military officials have been charged with using prohibited means and methods of conducting war and genocide.

Markin also noted that Ukrainian Radical Party leader Oleh Lyashko and individuals from the Azov battalion have also been charged with abducting individuals, torture, and using prohibited means and methods of conducting war and genocide.

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gregoire wrote:

Doubts about what? I don't understand what's happening at all. In my opinion LPR and DPR can stay in Ukraine After they have wiped out the nazis. Maybe this is what it's all about. I don't know and have no clue why Mozgovoi was murdered but I'm certain it was an inside job. But if you ask me for motives, I really don't know why he was killed.

This is my personal opinion and is "streamlined" for clarity, so may, and probably is, not 100% in all aspects.
A majority in Donbass do not want to be part of Ukraine at all. Of that majority some want an independant Novorossiya, either just DNR and LNR, or a "Greater Novorossiya" from Kharkov to Odessa. Others, pehaps a majority I think, want to be part of Russia. A minority want to remain part of Ukraine, but a "Novoukraina" purged of fascists and an ally of Russia. This last option, expressed in different ways, is what it seems a majority who express an opinion outside of Donbass want. This, esssentially, is what Kremlin wants, it is also want Mozgovoi wanted, but also purged of oligarchs and corrupt politicians as well as fascists. Mozgovoi was killed because he stepped on toes of oligarchs and corrupt politicians, and he had a brigade of troops and popular support behind him. If he was simply just an individual, a blogger for instance, expressing the views he did, he would be ignored, but he had military force behind him and that was seen as a threat to vested interests, commercial and political. Purgin has been "purged" because, like Mozgovoi, he is a free thinker, but mostly becuase he strongly wants Donbass to be part of Russia as an autonymous people's republic. This is anathema to the interests of oligarchs who do not need any form of state border seperating their various business interests. While various crimminals can make money from smuggling, in the long term the interests of the oligarchs is damaged by what will be to them, unnecessary borders. Purgin, also steps on political toes as it is clear from Moscow and Kiev that an independant Donbass/Novorossiya or a Donbass that is part of Russia is not needed, no matter the wishes of the population, and here we have the causes for discontent, purges and murder.

Khepesh wrote:

gregoire wrote:

Doubts about what? I don't understand what's happening at all. In my opinion LPR and DPR can stay in Ukraine After they have wiped out the nazis. Maybe this is what it's all about. I don't know and have no clue why Mozgovoi was murdered but I'm certain it was an inside job. But if you ask me for motives, I really don't know why he was killed.

This is my personal opinion and is "streamlined" for clarity, so may, and probably is, not 100% in all aspects.
A majority in Donbass do not want to be part of Ukraine at all. Of that majority some want an independant Novorossiya, either just DNR and LNR, or a "Greater Novorossiya" from Kharkov to Odessa. Others, pehaps a majority I think, want to be part of Russia. A minority want to remain part of Ukraine, but a "Novoukraina" purged of fascists and an ally of Russia. This last option, expressed in different ways, is what it seems a majority who express an opinion outside of Donbass want. This, esssentially, is what Kremlin wants, it is also want Mozgovoi wanted, but also purged of oligarchs and corrupt politicians as well as fascists. Mozgovoi was killed because he stepped on toes of oligarchs and corrupt politicians, and he had a brigade of troops and popular support behind him. If he was simply just an individual, a blogger for instance, expressing the views he did, he would be ignored, but he had military force behind him and that was seen as a threat to vested interests, commercial and political. Purgin has been "purged" because, like Mozgovoi, he is a free thinker, but mostly becuase he strongly wants Donbass to be part of Russia as an autonymous people's republic. This is anathema to the interests of oligarchs who do not need any form of state border seperating their various business interests. While various crimminals can make money from smuggling, in the long term the interests of the oligarchs is damaged by what will be to them, unnecessary borders. Purgin, also steps on political toes as it is clear from Moscow and Kiev that an independant Donbass/Novorossiya or a Donbass that is part of Russia is not needed, no matter the wishes of the population, and here we have the causes for discontent, purges and murder.

It's indeed crazy. They swap currency, but keep the legal bonds with Ukraine. They have an army, but must allow encirclement (border control). Fvcking frozen ass conflict. This hass all the signs of another Ossetia in the making.