Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

Russia says ready to help FSA and do early elections in Syria.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/24/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-idUSKCN0SI08820151024


This is the best way to go. Both sides must realize, no matter how long, whether years or decades or centuries, neither side can beat the other side militarily. So the only solution in Syria is a political solution.

18.10.2015.

ult wrote:18.10.2015.

Man, these satellite images are great, if only we had this technology during the Ukrainian conflict, imaging the high quality images of the 30.000 strong Russian army in Ukraine, we can dream, can’t we?  

See the above videos.. The terrorist communicating by Radio..
whats the purpose of Electronic Warfare if Russia don't use it? Russia needs
to shutdown terrorist communication completely so they cannot coordinate any major attack..
neither receive logistics from NATO and updated GPS satellite information of Syrian army positions for the terrorist artillery, but So far i will like to believe all those claims of Russia "electronic jamming bubble" and "Area of denial of 600km in Syria ,But evidence suggest something totally different ,that is not true at all.

The most likely possibility is that Russia jamming only covers 20km to 30km from the place
they are placed..and exclusively for protection of the military base and nothing else. And Combat planes for sure also have come counter electronics but nothing like those reports of "Area of denial".. in Syria we keep hearing.. Hopefully im wrong and there is more to know for a final
conclusion about whether or not Russia have an Area of denial or not.

EW assets are used non stop for locating rebel HQs - high numer of dead rebel commanders should come as no surprise.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:EW assets are used non stop for locating rebel HQs - high numer of dead rebel commanders should come as no surprise.

Yeah.. but the reports of Russia EW creating a bubble in Syria ,area of denial where no
nato radar or communication can work.. the claims that Russia declared a "no fly zone for NATO"
and is blocking NATO communications in Syria. as sexy ,and the claims are ,can't be true. At least not until now. at best such are is very small and only covers the airport zone in LAtakkia.

Vann7 wrote:

See the above videos.. The terrorist communicating by Radio..
whats the purpose of Electronic Warfare if Russia don't use it?  Russia needs
to shutdown terrorist communication completely so they cannot coordinate any major attack..
neither receive logistics from NATO and updated GPS satellite information of Syrian army positions for the terrorist artillery, but So far i will like to believe all those claims of Russia "electronic jamming bubble" and "Area of denial of 600km in Syria ,But evidence suggest something totally different ,that is not true at all.

The most likely possibility is that Russia jamming only covers 20km to 30km from the place
they are placed..and exclusively for protection of the military base and nothing else. And Combat planes for sure also have come counter electronics but nothing like those reports of "Area of denial".. in Syria we keep hearing..  Hopefully im wrong and there is more to know for a final
conclusion about whether or not Russia have an Area of denial or not.

Why? When the enemy speaks, one should listen what he has to report. The radio noise probably serves as indirect confirmation to find out whether the target has been hit or not.

ult wrote:

Atleast they have nice view during takeoff @ 1:04. Would boost my morale for sure

Heartbeer wrote:

ult wrote:

Atleast they have nice view during takeoff @ 1:04. Would boost my morale for sure

You would try some stupid stunt to impress the "morale booster" next to pavement and you would crash

Vann7 wrote:

See the above videos.. The terrorist communicating by Radio..
whats the purpose of Electronic Warfare if Russia don't use it?  Russia needs
to shutdown terrorist communication completely so they cannot coordinate any major attack..
neither receive logistics from NATO and updated GPS satellite information of Syrian army positions for the terrorist artillery, but So far i will like to believe all those claims of Russia "electronic jamming bubble" and "Area of denial of 600km in Syria ,But evidence suggest something totally different ,that is not true at all.

The most likely possibility is that Russia jamming only covers 20km to 30km from the place
they are placed..and exclusively for protection of the military base and nothing else. And Combat planes for sure also have come counter electronics but nothing like those reports of "Area of denial".. in Syria we keep hearing..  Hopefully im wrong and there is more to know for a final
conclusion about whether or not Russia have an Area of denial or not.

Karusah-4 is effective at 300km. But, and a big but, it isn't specifically to shut down comm systems but to scramble and screw around with things like Radar and what not. It was more or less to protect the airfield from possible strikes from aircrafts. See what airbornwolf said about how NATO jets are getting screwed data from their radars and having trouble.

At that, look at Russia's experience back in first Chechen war. Dudayev was found and killed by a guided missile from ELINT devices that caught chatter from Dudayev through a Satellite phone.

sepheronx wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

See the above videos.. The terrorist communicating by Radio..
whats the purpose of Electronic Warfare if Russia don't use it?  Russia needs
to shutdown terrorist communication completely so they cannot coordinate any major attack..
neither receive logistics from NATO and updated GPS satellite information of Syrian army positions for the terrorist artillery, but So far i will like to believe all those claims of Russia "electronic jamming bubble" and "Area of denial of 600km in Syria ,But evidence suggest something totally different ,that is not true at all.

The most likely possibility is that Russia jamming only covers 20km to 30km from the place
they are placed..and exclusively for protection of the military base and nothing else. And Combat planes for sure also have come counter electronics but nothing like those reports of "Area of denial".. in Syria we keep hearing..  Hopefully im wrong and there is more to know for a final
conclusion about whether or not Russia have an Area of denial or not.

Karusah-4 is effective at 300km.  But, and a big but, it isn't specifically to shut down comm systems but to scramble and screw around with things like Radar and what not.  It was more or less to protect the airfield from possible strikes from aircrafts.  See what airbornwolf said about how NATO jets are getting screwed data from their radars and having trouble.

At that, look at Russia's experience back in first Chechen war.  Dudayev was found and killed by a guided missile from ELINT devices that caught chatter from Dudayev through a Satellite phone.

This is probably the reason why so many Terrorist leaders are being killed ,Russia can trace their phones conversations from large distances and send a missile to it.

Vann7 wrote:

See the above videos.. The terrorist communicating by Radio..
whats the purpose of Electronic Warfare if Russia don't use it?  Russia needs
to shutdown terrorist communication completely so they cannot coordinate any major attack..
neither receive logistics from NATO and updated GPS satellite information of Syrian army positions for the terrorist artillery, but So far i will like to believe all those claims of Russia "electronic jamming bubble" and "Area of denial of 600km in Syria ,But evidence suggest something totally different ,that is not true at all.

The most likely possibility is that Russia jamming only covers 20km to 30km from the place
they are placed..and exclusively for protection of the military base and nothing else. And Combat planes for sure also have come counter electronics but nothing like those reports of "Area of denial".. in Syria we keep hearing..  Hopefully im wrong and there is more to know for a final
conclusion about whether or not Russia have an Area of denial or not.

No sensayuma mistah! Just been kiddin'. No offense meant.

Vann7 wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

See the above videos.. The terrorist communicating by Radio..
whats the purpose of Electronic Warfare if Russia don't use it?  Russia needs
to shutdown terrorist communication completely so they cannot coordinate any major attack..
neither receive logistics from NATO and updated GPS satellite information of Syrian army positions for the terrorist artillery, but So far i will like to believe all those claims of Russia "electronic jamming bubble" and "Area of denial of 600km in Syria ,But evidence suggest something totally different ,that is not true at all.

The most likely possibility is that Russia jamming only covers 20km to 30km from the place
they are placed..and exclusively for protection of the military base and nothing else. And Combat planes for sure also have come counter electronics but nothing like those reports of "Area of denial".. in Syria we keep hearing..  Hopefully im wrong and there is more to know for a final
conclusion about whether or not Russia have an Area of denial or not.

Karusah-4 is effective at 300km.  But, and a big but, it isn't specifically to shut down comm systems but to scramble and screw around with things like Radar and what not.  It was more or less to protect the airfield from possible strikes from aircrafts.  See what airbornwolf said about how NATO jets are getting screwed data from their radars and having trouble.

At that, look at Russia's experience back in first Chechen war.  Dudayev was found and killed by a guided missile from ELINT devices that caught chatter from Dudayev through a Satellite phone.

This is probably the reason why so many Terrorist leaders are being killed ,Russia can trace their phones conversations from large distances and send a missile to it.

More than likely. Mixture of people who defected telling them where the positions are and interception of radio chatter.

Nemrod wrote:L’élément clé dans le dispositif mis en place par les Russes est constitué par les systèmes Krasukha-4 qui réalisent un brouillage non-stop des radars de surveillance, ceux des satellites militaires américains de la famille de Lacrosse/Onyx, ceux qui sont basés au sol dans les pays voisins de la Syrie, ceux des avions AWACS, E-8C, et ceux des avions sans pilote RQ-4 Global Hawk, MQ-1 Predator, MQ-9 Reaper.sisteme-Federatia-Rusa-1

Key element in the device set up by Russians is made up by Krasukha-4 systems, which non-stop jams surveillance radars, those of the Lacrosse/Onyx family of US sats, those that are land-based in Syria's neighbouring countries, those of AWACS, E-8C, as well as those of US UAVs such as RQ-4 Global Hawk, MQ-1 Predator and MQ-9 Reaper

Wikipedia (sic) wrote:Krasukha-4
The Krasukha-4 broadband multifunctional jamming station is mounted on a BAZ-6910-022 four-axle-chassis. Like the Krasukha-2, the Krasukha-4 counters AWACS and other air borne radar systems. The Krasukha-4 has the range for effectively disrupting low Earth orbit (LEO) satellites and can cause permanent damage to targeted radio-electronic devices. Ground based radars are also a viable target for the Krasukha-4

Krasukha-2:

Kyo wrote:

Nemrod wrote:L’élément clé dans le dispositif mis en place par les Russes est constitué par les systèmes Krasukha-4 qui réalisent un brouillage non-stop des radars de surveillance, ceux des satellites militaires américains de la famille de Lacrosse/Onyx, ceux qui sont basés au sol dans les pays voisins de la Syrie, ceux des avions AWACS, E-8C, et ceux des avions sans pilote RQ-4 Global Hawk, MQ-1 Predator, MQ-9 Reaper.sisteme-Federatia-Rusa-1

Key element in the device set up by Russians is made up by Krasukha-4 systems, which non-stop jams surveillance radars, those of the Lacrosse/Onyx family of US sats, those that are land-based in Syria's neighbouring countries, those of AWACS, E-8C, as well as those of US UAVs such as RQ-4 Global Hawk, MQ-1 Predator and MQ-9 Reaper

Wikipedia (sic) wrote:Krasukha-4
The Krasukha-4 broadband multifunctional jamming station is mounted on a BAZ-6910-022 four-axle-chassis. Like the Krasukha-2, the Krasukha-4 counters AWACS and other air borne radar systems. The Krasukha-4 has the range for effectively disrupting low Earth orbit (LEO) satellites and can cause permanent damage to targeted radio-electronic devices. Ground based radars are also a viable target for the Krasukha-4

Krasukha-2:

It must be highly likely that these EW units are solely for airfield defence. There is no point in blinding US/NATO for little strategic or tactical objective especially as I doubt the Russians want to show its true capabilities.

Bit like the RuN saying today that the Kalibr range is 2000km. Expect someone to say later, a lot later, oh sorry we meant miles.

JohninMK wrote:

Kyo wrote:

Nemrod wrote:L’élément clé dans le dispositif mis en place par les Russes est constitué par les systèmes Krasukha-4 qui réalisent un brouillage non-stop des radars de surveillance, ceux des satellites militaires américains de la famille de Lacrosse/Onyx, ceux qui sont basés au sol dans les pays voisins de la Syrie, ceux des avions AWACS, E-8C, et ceux des avions sans pilote RQ-4 Global Hawk, MQ-1 Predator, MQ-9 Reaper.sisteme-Federatia-Rusa-1

Key element in the device set up by Russians is made up by Krasukha-4 systems, which non-stop jams surveillance radars, those of the Lacrosse/Onyx family of US sats, those that are land-based in Syria's neighbouring countries, those of AWACS, E-8C, as well as those of US UAVs such as RQ-4 Global Hawk, MQ-1 Predator and MQ-9 Reaper

Wikipedia (sic) wrote:Krasukha-4
The Krasukha-4 broadband multifunctional jamming station is mounted on a BAZ-6910-022 four-axle-chassis. Like the Krasukha-2, the Krasukha-4 counters AWACS and other air borne radar systems. The Krasukha-4 has the range for effectively disrupting low Earth orbit (LEO) satellites and can cause permanent damage to targeted radio-electronic devices. Ground based radars are also a viable target for the Krasukha-4

Krasukha-2:

It must be highly likely that these EW units are solely for airfield defence. There is no point in blinding US/NATO for little strategic or tactical objective especially as I doubt the Russians want to show its true capabilities.

Bit like the RuN saying today that the Kalibr range is 2000km. Expect someone to say later, a lot later, oh sorry we meant miles.

Yeah. Read the same news and got that impression too. Said that Kalibr's speed is Mach 3 and it's Glonass guided.
NazionalRus: are ya still there?

NazionalRus: are ya still there?

"Russian airstrikes in Syria welcomed by refugees"

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-lawmakers-visit-syria-092826124.html

ult wrote:

First shot from on the ground of the upgraded 'radar hill' shown in the satellite picture. What is the 'search' radar?

JohninMK wrote:

ult wrote:

First shot from on the ground of the upgraded 'radar hill' shown in the satellite picture. What is the 'search' radar?

The search and acquisition radar looks like ST-68U (19Zh6) or something else from that family. The hight-finder looks like PRV-9, PRV-16 (1RL132), or one of the other variants from the same family.

New Russian TV report from Damascus.

Militarov wrote:New Russian TV report from Damascus.

Kind of surreal. Highrise building with working elevator, devastated city on one side, peaceful life on another...

ult wrote:

Militarov wrote:New Russian TV report from Damascus.

Kind of surreal. Highrise building with working elevator, devastated city on one side, peaceful life on another...

It's a terrible time for the Syrian people. Hopefully Assad will do the right thing and step down. The international community must work together to beat jihadists.