Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

Militarov wrote:http://arabic.cnn.com/middleeast/2015/11/04/russia-syria-update

Here apparently news of....Russian destroyer Vice-Admiral Kulakov going towards Syria with KA-27s onboard. If someone with knowledge of language would be so kewl and translate last paragraph for us

a translation of both last paragraphs via google translator

Siempre_Leal wrote:

Militarov wrote:http://arabic.cnn.com/middleeast/2015/11/04/russia-syria-update

Here apparently news of....Russian destroyer Vice-Admiral Kulakov going towards Syria with KA-27s onboard. If someone with knowledge of language would be so kewl and translate last paragraph for us

a translation of both last paragraphs via google translator

Yeah I have that one too, however id like something more...precise if you know what i mean

Militarov wrote:

Siempre_Leal wrote:

Militarov wrote:http://arabic.cnn.com/middleeast/2015/11/04/russia-syria-update

Here apparently news of....Russian destroyer Vice-Admiral Kulakov going towards Syria with KA-27s onboard. If someone with knowledge of language would be so kewl and translate last paragraph for us

a translation of both last paragraphs via google translator

Yeah I have that one too, however id like something more...precise if you know what i mean

Sorry I dont

Militarov wrote:

Siempre_Leal wrote:

Militarov wrote:http://arabic.cnn.com/middleeast/2015/11/04/russia-syria-update

Here apparently news of....Russian destroyer Vice-Admiral Kulakov going towards Syria with KA-27s onboard. If someone with knowledge of language would be so kewl and translate last paragraph for us

a translation of both last paragraphs via google translator

Yeah I have that one too, however id like something more...precise if you know what i mean

Ka-52 for CAS?

ultron wrote:

Ka-52 for CAS?

The mi-24 is superior in every way for CAS support in Syria . The KA-52 alligator is a Scout/anti armor chopper , While the MI-24 hind is for soft targets.. to kill terrorist. The hind have way more
munition for continue fighting against soft targets than the alligator. To use a 30mm gun against terrorist is overkill  on top that is only have 460 rounds of that. the hind with a 12.7 mm gun with 1,470 rounds of ammunition will kill 3 times more terrorist..That gun also will wipe
any truck or pickup or light armored infantry vehicle. it will also damage T-62 tanks from top attacks or the rear apparently. Also the Hind can transport special forces anywhere or be used to rescue people from the battlefield. could carry 8 people. You can't do that with the ka-52 ,that is more ideal against an enemy with lots of armor and to shut down radars or air defenses.

Because Terrorist rebels mostly are armed with pickups with a machine gun and very mobile weapons ,the mi-24 is ideal for the job . But they need to be used wisely , with the support of
Army.. Russia apparently can use their hinds in Syria in a rambo like way.. because the pilots are really skilled and fly very fast and its counter electronics and low fly altitude  seems to give some defense against manpads .

Vanniuchka, You better check what version of Mi-24 is flying in Syria. Take a good look at the gun.
Yep, Ka-52 is too costly for sniping infantry.

Rodinazombie wrote:I think that once the war ends, ...

I don't really think the implication you are making here is quite correct.

PapaDragon wrote:
Was there ever any doubt?

After dust settles and all is said and done Latakia will pretty much be Western Vladivostok or Mediterranean Sevastopol, take for pick of the name...

After the dust settles, in about 20 years, California will again be called Kalifarovka.

I wonder what SAMs he is talking about and a strange justification

Russia has delivered missile defense systems to Syria in order to prevent the possibility of Russian Aerospace Forces aircraft from being stolen, as well as to return fire, Russian Aerospace Forces Commander Viktor Bondarev said Thursday.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) – “We have taken into account all possible threats. We have sent not only fighters, attack aircraft, bombers, and helicopters, but also missile defense systems because any sort of force majeure situation may occur. For example, the stealing of a warplane in a neighboring country with Syria or having to return fire. We need to be prepared for that,” Bondarev told Russia’s Komsomolskaya Pravda daily in an interview.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151105/1029619466/russian-missile-systems-syria.html#ixzz3qc4lhyCq

Russia has supplied air defense systems to Syria to prevent possible retaliation strikes, Russian Air Force chief Viktor Bondarev said in an interview with the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper. The air defense systems will also be used to prevent possible hijackings of warplanes, the official said.

"We have calculated all possible threats. We have supplied not only fighters, attack planes, bombers and helicopters to Syria, but also and anti-aircraft missile systems. Various types of  force majeure circumstances may occur. For example, a military aircraft can be hijacked from the territory of a state that borders on Syria. We must also be prepared for a possible retaliation strike on our forces,

What else Russia has in its wherewithal at Syria except its EW suits/?

Regular wrote:Vanniuchka, You better check what version of Mi-24 is flying in Syria. Take a good look at the gun. Yep, Ka-52 is too costly for sniping infantry.

and which version is that?  

another thing is numbers.. Russia last time saw if remember well, have several hundreds of hinds ,vs the few dozens of Ka-52 and Mi-28 they have. But a 30mm gun seems a bit overkill against
soft targets..

Russia sent Mi-24P which has a fixed gun on the side so the Mi-24 has to do strafe runs compared to hovering around and shooting.

sepheronx wrote:Russia sent Mi-24P which has a fixed gun on the side so the Mi-24 has to do strafe runs compared to hovering around and shooting.

If that the case is time for Russia to upgrade their hinds with a mobile gun.. any plans to do
that?

for what i seen in videos it seems Russia use mostly small rockets to target terrorist.
Interesting then how they use its chain gun against them.. have seen any video that the
machine gun is used at all.

Vann7 wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Russia sent Mi-24P which has a fixed gun on the side so the Mi-24 has to do strafe runs compared to hovering around and shooting.

If that the case is time for Russia to upgrade their hinds with a mobile gun.. any plans to do
that?

for what i seen in videos it seems Russia use mostly small rockets to target terrorist.
Interesting then how they use its chain gun against them.. have seen any video that the
machine gun is used at all.

Russia is using DUAL 30mm cannons on their Mi-24P, not chain guns. And it relies more on the rockets than it's gun. Why Russia sent obsolete helicopter when they have more effective and superior ones? Well to blend in with Syrian forces I guess (ofc masterclass flying part gives it away). And to be more expendable too. That's why we don't hear Russian mod saying anything about their helicopter work. If Mi-24 will go down, Russian mod will say it was Syrian. My guess. Tho hard to deny when journalist are all over the place.
Vann7, by the way check this video

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Vann7 wrote:

ultron wrote:

Ka-52 for CAS?

The mi-24 is superior in every way for CAS support in Syria . The KA-52 alligator is a Scout/anti armor chopper , While the MI-24 hind is for soft targets.. to kill terrorist. The hind have way more
munition for continue fighting against soft targets than the alligator. To use a 30mm gun against terrorist is overkill  on top that is only have 460 rounds of that. the hind with a 12.7 mm gun with 1,470 rounds of ammunition will kill 3 times more terrorist..That gun also will wipe
any truck or pickup or light armored infantry vehicle. it will also damage T-62 tanks from top attacks or the rear apparently. Also the Hind can transport special forces anywhere or be used to rescue people from the battlefield. could carry 8 people. You can't do that with the ka-52 ,that is more ideal against an enemy with lots of armor and to shut down radars or air defenses.

Because Terrorist rebels mostly are armed with pickups with a machine gun and very mobile weapons ,the mi-24 is ideal for the job . But they need to be used wisely , with the support of
Army.. Russia apparently can use their hinds in Syria in a rambo like way.. because the pilots are really skilled and fly very fast and its counter electronics and low fly altitude  seems to give some defense against manpads .

The Mi-24 is superior in CAS support, but certainly not because of "soft target" or "armored" target. In fact Ka-52 could deal with soft targets from further distance, with high accuracy without wasting ammunition while every other helicopter would waste alot of ammunition to kill its target.

Mi-24V (YaKB-12.7) are not going to be usefull at all against T-62 or any tank whatsoever, the rounds are not going to do anything except spread a nice cloud of buplex bullets all around. Hind is the unrivaled and best CSAR helicopter there is also in CAS it has no rivals in the striking capability how it was designed and tactics of force deployment all have been created around it.

sepheronx wrote:Russia sent Mi-24P which has a fixed gun on the side so the Mi-24 has to do strafe runs compared to hovering around and shooting.

They do not have to make strafe runs, but hovering in hot climates in combat situation with just normal TV camera isn't the best way to use it, so yes gun strafes are the best what they were designed for. The Su-25 of Helicopters.

South Front military update

PapaDragon wrote:

Pics of the bridge after the bombing

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Cyberspec wrote:

Pics of the bridge after the bombing
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Looks like it might need another 'visit'.

PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

Pics of the bridge after the bombing

Looks like it might need another 'visit'.

I don't think VKS boys will mind another go.

I don't think they wanted to completely destroy the bridge. In fact, it seems like they want to start bottlenecking. Instead of completely destroying it and forcing the death squads to find other routes, there likely trying to provoke them in to taking the path of least resistance, making them slower (with a partially destroyed bridge) and more predictable.

Be afraid russia, very afraid. Apparently this clan of international inbreds are going to turn syria into a graveyard for russians. I guess they are taking advice from their brothers in chechnya on how to do this just like they did in chechnya. Oh wait, they are all dead. Killed by russians, oops.

I hope someone is looking at this video and getting an ID of those people from russia and CIS countries. If they make it back home i hope someone will be waiting for them, and i dont mean their family.

There is so much propaganda about Soviets war in Afganistan... A war that they won the vast
majority of the battles. And left the country only because economic shortages of kremlin to
continue supporting the war. The stinger missiles american gave to the jihadist did not did much
as claimed , soviet loss less than 15,000 soldiers over a period of 10 years...thats about ~150 soldiers per years or about 10 soldiers per month.. pretty low numbers by any standard for a full scale invasion. and that was with American weapons and US special forces support being supplied to the afgans through Pakistan. and estimates of killed by soviets depending the source between 80,000 to 1 million including civilians.

US forces for comparison lost 5,000 soldiers and hundreds more if you include the private mercenaries from 2003 to 2014 and in IRAQ invasion and Russia did not supplied anything to the iraquis. And that was with a major alliance of nations helping. Imagine how different will have been if Russia supply iraquis with satellite logistics ,IGla missiles ,and kornets-e missiles it will have shot down those Apache easily and create serious casualties to their Abram tanks or any armored formation. Casualties will have been 10x times higher at least and pushed them to leave withing a year.


All said.. when soviet left Afganistan in an organized way without any Rush ,and it took 3 years the Talibans and jihadist armed by USA ,to take control of the country again and remove the pro Russian government in power.. and that only happened because Russia no longer supplied weapons and money and cut all help to them.. It was financial problems simply what pushed the soviets out of afganistan and not any casualties.

It was also said Soviets invaded because wanted afgan resources..
Reality was Soviets invaded after the government of afganistan betrayed them and
started terrorist attacks in soviets territory. So it was a provocation trap of the CIA to
attack soviets and provoke them to invade ,to damage their economy.