Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

sepheronx wrote:Putin needs to tread carefully. Not long ago he stated they were bombing Syria illegally. Why now allow the French Navy to join Russia battle group? I dont like it.

Putin cares more about making up with Western "partners" than the international law.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Putin needs to tread carefully. Not long ago he stated they were bombing Syria illegally. Why now allow the French Navy to join Russia battle group? I dont like it.

Putin cares more about making up with  Western "partners" than the international law.

Good point. I mean Russia armed rebels in Donbas without breaking diplomatic relation with Ukraine. That of course, by Russia's standard, breaks international law since Ukraine is a sovereign member of the UN. Had Russia broke diplomatic relation with Ukraine first, then it would have been legal to arm rebels in Donbas.

Kh-101.

sepheronx wrote:WTF. So Putin is pushing for cooperation woth France for France to illegaly bomb Syria without permission, and is exactly what Putin condemned months ago? What will Russia do then if France uses its position to Bomb assad and his forces? Will this be another Russian blunder like Libya?

If Russia said France has permission to bomb Syria then they have it. France is willing to cooperate as we seen now. Illegally or not, they are hitting ISIS, not playing games like USAF. France won't touch Assad and his forces. I even think France will bite their tongue when it comes to Assad.
By the way, Libya wasn't Russian blunder, still plenty of business is made there. It was western blunder

But does Putin take his people for simpletons? If he says one thing and does another openly and officially, then isnt that breaking the trust of his people?  I mean, isnt he worried about his ratings? Cause lets face it, if something happens to Assad due to Russia allowing France to break Syrias airspace illegaly, then Putin could go down hard like Medvedev did in Libya.

ult wrote:Kh-101.

I was preparing the same thing.
You beat me to it.

Anyways, I uploaded one more than you did:

sepheronx wrote:But does Putin take his people for simpletons? If he says one thing and does another openly and officially, then isnt that breaking the trust of his people?  I mean, isnt he worried about his ratings? Cause lets face it, if something happens to Assad due to Russia allowing France to break Syrias airspace illegaly, then Putin could go down hard like Medvedev did in Libya.

Do You think Russians , his voters give a fuck what happens to Assad and his crew?
Russians care about their military there. They are here to finish mission and whack terrorists. They are not here to help Assad to win game of thrones. Russia is OK with Kurds and they are Assad enemies too. Russia is there to keep their Caucasus safe. It can be done with or without Assad in power. And yeah French wouldn't dare to go against Russian interest as Russia is one of the most formidable force in the region.

Why should France bomb Assad? It's clear, even from western media, that IS is behind the attacks and not Assad. The French didn't even make such suggestion and only mentioned the Syrian passport that was proven to be fake anyway.

sepheronx wrote:WTF. So Putin is pushing for cooperation woth France for France to illegaly bomb Syria without permission, and is exactly what Putin condemned months ago? What will Russia do then if France uses its position to Bomb assad and his forces? Will this be another Russian blunder like Libya?

sepheronx wrote:But does Putin take his people for simpletons? If he says one thing and does another openly and officially, then isnt that breaking the trust of his people?  I mean, isnt he worried about his ratings? Cause lets face it, if something happens to Assad due to Russia allowing France to break Syrias airspace illegaly, then Putin could go down hard like Medvedev did in Libya.

Why would France bomb Assad? Assad never attacks western countries. Assad is a nice guy.

The two columns of fuel tankers destroyed by the Russian strikes.

It's ON like Donkey Kong. Hide your ghaneema, hide your slaves, hide your cousins, they're bombing the shit out of people in Raqqah.

TheArmenian wrote:The two columns of fuel tankers destroyed by the Russian strikes.

Hitting where it hurts! US dislikes it.

I seem to recall that France said they would use the no fly zone in Libya to stop Gaddafi from using his airforce. Instead, they bombed Gaddafis forces.  So france is as trustworthy as a drug addict hooker with your wallet.

As well, if Assad dies by hands of French bombings, be prepared to see a lot of screutiny on Putin and Russia, with Russia losing rights to Tartas in the future.

Hollande did openly state he does not believe Assad has a future in running Syria. So this should come as a forshadow for things to come.

In my humble opinion, Russia has learnt to play soft power games as well.

Decisive Russian attacks on Islamists will have to be broadcasted, making people think about why were their governments standing idly all this time or even supporting Islamist factions (weapons, ammo, training, funds).

Not even the most deranged propagandists can spin these Russian actions as something bad, especially taking into account the hysteria they spread after Paris attacks.

Taking everything into account, my conclusion would be that Russia is trying to find secular Sunni opposition figureheads, Kurds and groups willing to negotiate, simply annihilating everyone else in the process.


On the other hand, the turn of events in Ukraine is something I am not in agreement with, and can't say I fully understand.

PapaDragon wrote:Offtopic, this also does not bode well for gang in Kiev...

You mean the rebels in Donbass.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:Offtopic, this also does not bode well for gang in Kiev...

You mean the rebels in Donbass.

My thoughts exactly.

Great possibility. And I hope Putin burns for it if he gave up the real freedom fighters in Ukraine. Because I dont think his people will take kindly to Russians and real brotherly people, being murdered.

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PapaDragon wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:Offtopic, this also does not bode well for gang in Kiev...

You mean the rebels in Donbass.

They are stocked full and ready to tear sh*t up, if ukrops do something stupid (99% chance of that) they will be going back to Kiev in small plastic bags.  

Are they? Because I cant find anything that suggest Russia is actually helping donbass besides some relief aid.  Outside of that, Kiev is getting free reign to murder people in the east.

sepheronx wrote:Great possibility. And I hope Putin burns for it if he gave up the real freedom fighters in Ukraine. Because I dont think his people will take kindly to Russians and real brotherly people, being murdered.

Donbas never should have uprose. Russia already got Crimea to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO. Over time, Ukrainian hatred of Russia will subside and Ukraine and Russia will have friendly relations again.

sepheronx wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:Offtopic, this also does not bode well for gang in Kiev...

You mean the rebels in Donbass.

They are stocked full and ready to tear sh*t up, if ukrops do something stupid (99% chance of that) they will be going back to Kiev in small plastic bags.  

Are they? Because I cant find anything that suggest Russia is actually helping donbass besides some relief aid.  Outside of that, Kiev is getting free reign to murder people in the east.

Did you really wrote that? They probably had the biggest mechanized maneuvres this end of summer and you said just what? That's also why the American't TPQ's are being given to Ukropia? Because the VSN is harmless? Nothing has changed so far on that side. The guys will be fine.