Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

Vann7 wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

Anyone knows the difference in bomb munition capabilities
between the Su-34 and Tu-22m  in KAB-250 and KAB-500 bombs and Kab-1500?

How much bombs of each one each plane can drop ?

60 or 70 x FAB-250 if I remember correctly. In any case, the Tu-22M3 can carry significantly more... in internal bay + a few more on 5 external pylons if needed



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The FOAB 'might' be tested in Syria according to K. Sivkov, president of the academy for geopolitics



http://warfiles.ru/show-100451-rossiya-mozhet-primenit-v-sirii-sverhmoschnuyu-bombu-moschnostyu-40-tonn.html

nice... thanks for the info..

Hopefully Russia will use many FOAB hundreds if possible.. lol   or many dozens
and drop it on them.

Update.. found something..

Su-34


Tu-22m



Its that information is correct the difference is huge.. in Kab-500 alone
the Su-34 carry apparently only x6..  while the Tu-22m up to 30x..    

This is the plane Russia needs to produce.. in real mass. screw pak-da ..
just make a new modern stealthy version of Tu-22m with fully digital avionics and heavy
jamming capabilities and you have a real winner. as a bonus the backfire is supersonic.  

So if those charts are correct one Tu-22m can drop as many kab-500 as FIVE Su-34.  

So Five Tu-22m planes in Syria will have the same fire power of 25 x Su-34.
but with way more range .and the flexibility to carry way more weapons including
nukes.

Well, Russia has around 50+ of them in active service. And a couple years ago, was rumored to eventually get radar placed in the nose; an Irbis E equivelant.  Tu-22M is by far one of the best planes in RuAF service.  It is speculated that Pak Da is indeed closer to Tu-22M than others. But that is pure speculation with no real evidence or info to back that up.  Just word of mouth.

KoTeMoRe wrote:John McCain still wanted for comment.

He is probably going to accuse Russia of polluting his precious bodily fluids...

ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Turkish intelligence chief: Putin's intervention in Syria is against Islam and international law, ISIS is a reality and we are optimistic about the future

Not one bit surprised really.  It was evident that Trukey was the one at the forefront in Syrias spread of terror.  This comes as no surprise.  I used to have respect for Turkey but that is all gone now.

sepheronx wrote:

ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Turkish intelligence chief: Putin's intervention in Syria is against Islam and international law, ISIS is a reality and we are optimistic about the future

Not one bit surprised really.  It was evident that Trukey was the one at the forefront in Syrias spread of terror.  This comes as no surprise.  I used to have respect for Turkey but that is all gone now.

It's Erdocunt and his cronnies. Wants to be part of rich arabs supporting their wet dream.

And his population are also to blame. I saw a video posted on Ria of football game in turkey, where the fans (during moment of silence, guess over the Paris ordeal) were shouting Allah Ahkbar.

Sad really.  Shows which directing the country is heading. Better go to Istanbul before it really turns into a Mecca.

PapaDragon wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:John McCain still wanted for comment.

He is probably going to accuse Russia of polluting his precious bodily fluids...

Off topic.
Great. Now I have to watch that again. Brilliant movie.

sepheronx wrote:And his population are also to blame. I saw a video posted on Ria of football game in turkey, where the fans (during moment of silence, guess over the Paris ordeal) were shouting Allah Ahkbar.

Sad really.  Shows which directing the country is heading. Better go to Istanbul before it really turns into a Mecca.

TBH, football matches tend to attract the lowest common denominator of society

The Russian embassy in Damascus was hit was mortars again today. Does SAA have counter mortar radars? If not then Russia should supply some to SAA to locate and destroy rebel mortars.

PapaDragon wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:John McCain still wanted for comment.

He is probably going to accuse Russia of polluting his precious bodily fluids...

Hanoi Hilton does that to people.

sepheronx wrote:

ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Turkish intelligence chief: Putin's intervention in Syria is against Islam and international law, ISIS is a reality and we are optimistic about the future

Not one bit surprised really.  It was evident that Trukey was the one at the forefront in Syrias spread of terror.  This comes as no surprise.  I used to have respect for Turkey but that is all gone now.

+1

KAB-500KR.

Honestly a happy ending for middle east will be the European Union ,most of it..
telling enough is enough to American policies and lifting Sanctions on Russia and
joining Russia coalition..against ISIS.. and then declaring full scale economic Sanctions on Turkey at very least of its destructive Role in the Syrian war. Among this sanctions should include Ban tourism to Turkey and Freeze the bank accounts of major Turkey companies connected with Erdogan. and also ban on any trade with them.  Then provoke an Euromaidan in Turkey.. then Europe start supplying weapons to Kurds in turkey to fight erdogan.. that is a "Syrian revolution" on turkey reversed.. and disband Turkey in many parts.

What Turkey is doing in middle east is even worse that the Armenian genocide of millions of armenians by Turkey army..Because Turkey is threatening with its policies not only the lives of
many millions in Syria and IRAQ..but also the security of Europe too.. This is by far the most
inhuman aggression of any nation ,since NAZI germany began invasion of all Europe and Soviet Union.

That said

After all that Turkey have been doing for 5 years!!! already to Syria AND IRAQ.. following US policies but also their own ambitions to steal lands. That have caused millions and millions of
Syrians and IRaquis to flee from their houses with hundreds of thousands killed by ISIS and Alqaeda terror. After all that.. Turkey Deserve to be invaded by a major international coalition
of the entire World and divided in many parts.. and completely erase the Turkey name from the world map. Remove Turkey from the control of any gate to Europe..and give half of the country to KUrds to live in peace and the other half completely divided in zones with Russia and EU occupying Ankara capital after Turkey Army defeated.. and Put an end and for once to such Evil Nation .

Cyberspec wrote:60 or 70 x FAB-250 if I remember correctly. In any case, the Tu-22M3 can carry significantly more... in internal bay + a few more on 5 external pylons if needed

Maybe we get to see it fully loaded in the near future. I have been wishing to see a temporary forward operating base in Iran (to cater mainly for Saudi/Qatar and for Syria ops)..and if Russia do get such a basing in Iran, Tu-22M3 will not have to fly longer and will be able to carry more.

The FOAB 'might' be tested in Syria according to K. Sivkov, president of the academy for geopolitics



http://warfiles.ru/show-100451-rossiya-mozhet-primenit-v-sirii-sverhmoschnuyu-bombu-moschnostyu-40-tonn.html

Hope they are keeping it ready in numbers as it needs to be used in the near future. Recent statements from the sponsors saying they will be taking the territory inside Syrian along the Turkish border has given a direction for FOABs first usage. In my personal opinion this is the region FOAB is to be used on ISIS so that its 300m footprint can also engulf the Turkish/US forces/allies. But make sure sure the leftist/communist YPG are advised to stay away from the fighting.

Have the Russians started rotating the crews so that a wider base gets real combat exposure?

There are 4 crews per aircraft.

Dima wrote:Have the Russians started rotating the crews so that a wider base gets real combat exposure?

There is a scheduled rotation after so many missions for air crew and time on ground for the others.

Dima wrote:Maybe we get to see it fully loaded in the near future. I have been wishing to see a temporary forward operating base in Iran (to cater mainly for Saudi/Qatar and for Syria ops)..and if Russia do get such a basing in Iran, Tu-22M3 will not have to fly longer and will be able to carry more.

An Iranian base would be great and has been mentioned unofficially, but it might be a step too far at this point for Iran

Good to see the air strikes on IS oil infrastructure.

But begs the question, how come we were bombarded in September with tons of sat photos of Russian deployment to Latakia, yet nowhere close the details on IS infastructure? oil fields? truck convoys? For one year of anti-IS ops??? wtf

Cyberspec wrote:

Dima wrote:Maybe we get to see it fully loaded in the near future. I have been wishing to see a temporary forward operating base in Iran (to cater mainly for Saudi/Qatar and for Syria ops)..and if Russia do get such a basing in Iran, Tu-22M3 will not have to fly longer and will be able to carry more.

An Iranian base would be great and has been mentioned unofficially, but it might be a step too far at this point for Iran

I think Iranians are too nationalistic(with the positive term) to allow a base operating from any foreign country

George1 wrote:I think Iranians are too nationalistic(with the positive term) to allow a base operating from any foreign country

I agree but I wouldn't discount it completely...depends on events on the ground and wider region. I get the feeling it has been discussed.

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Airstrikes and fighting footage compilation from the past day

George1 wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:

Dima wrote:Maybe we get to see it fully loaded in the near future. I have been wishing to see a temporary forward operating base in Iran (to cater mainly for Saudi/Qatar and for Syria ops)..and if Russia do get such a basing in Iran, Tu-22M3 will not have to fly longer and will be able to carry more.

An Iranian base would be great and has been mentioned unofficially, but it might be a step too far at this point for Iran

I think Iranians are too nationalistic(with the positive term) to allow a base operating from any foreign country

That's so true
for Iranians a foreign military base is equal to occupation of their country

The cruise missiles were launched over Iran.











Tu-154 over that area on 17th and 19th November.





http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1585491.html

ult wrote:The cruise missiles were launched over Iran.

Excellent post, ult. Thanks.

So this was the 19/11/2015 raid?

Edit:

This was the first raid, wasn't it? The clips are edited, I suppose, and they announced that the Kh-101 and Kh-555 launches during the first raid occurred from Iran and the subsequent ones from Russia.